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The Japanese RPG never ceases to astound me. It is a nearly untouched genre, steeped firmly in tradition. It beckons players to grind for experience senselessly for hours on end with an overly simplified battle system. It entertains with the same archetypal build of protagonists, antagonists, and supporting characters. The genre’s males look like women, and the women look like 12-year-old girls. The games have multiple discs, hours of cut-scenes, and a massively linear style of exploration and gameplay.

Over the years, these cracks in the armor have turned into massive fissures, releasing steam and bubbling goo that have catalyzed the spawning of odd hybrids. One could surmise that the success of the Western RPG, which is typified by its non-linearity, often-complex story structure, and redefinition of battle, has aided in expanding the cracks into the gaping holes that we recognize now.

Tales of Vesperia resides in this transition period. It’s obvious that the developer, Namco Tales Studio, has tried to integrate part of the Western experience into its game. There are marked improvements in the genre itself, changes that were needed for the betterment of the series as a whole.  

Taken out of transition context, how does Tales of Vesperia perform as a standalone title? Does it captivate, immerse, or entertain? Is the visual art a viable alternative?  Is the battle system fluid and fun? Will it transcend the Tales series?

Hit the break and I’ll tell you.

Tales of Vesperia (Xbox 360)
Developed by Namco Tales Studios
Published by Namco Bandai Games
Released on August 26, 2008

The beginning of Tales of Vesperia revolves around the humble beginnings of a troubled youth named Yuri Lowell, who chooses to take off on a grand adventure in search of a thief. Yuri is the typical swashbuckling type, who favors aggression and rash alternatives to the majority of the obstacles that he faces. His decisions are typically poor over the course of the game, but they are always backed up with some ingrained wisdom that he gained in his mixed past.

The world that composes the game, Terca Lumireis, is a dangerous place filled to the brim with monsters and various other evil and undiscovered denizens. There is a shroud that hangs over Terca Lumireis in the form of an Empire. For the most part, the Empire is all-encompassing and serves to protect its citizens from the outside world. Thankfully, the job is a lot easier because of a barrier system that surrounds most of the civilizations. These barriers, powered by an object called a “bodhi blastia,” repel monster attacks that are all too frequent.

Because of the monsters on the outside, the denizens of Terca Lumireis rarely venture out into the wilderness. Only the knights of the Empire and the guilds (which are separate from the Empire) traverse the open world. It’s this sense of a great expanse outside of these barriers that composes the majority of conversation in the game.

Yuri used to be a knight of the Empire, but he fell out of the service as a result of a difference of opinion. Yuri’s childhood friend, Flynn Scifo, also joined the ranks with him. Flynn continues to be a knight and uphold chivalrous ordinances, whereas Yuri would rather be on his own and deliver his own unique sense of justice. The juxtaposition between Yuri’s outlandish behavior and Flynn’s upstanding is what defines the majority of the conflict in the game.

The story officially takes off after a bodhi blastia is stolen from the poor district in the Empire’s capital where Yuri lives. Yuri chooses to go after the thief and in the process intertwines himself with the politics of the Empire (via a noble named Estelle), and eventually a larger, greater threat to the land. As often is the case, the chase for the object takes Yuri outside the barriers of the world into conflict, strife, victory, and toil.

The majority of the strife in the game resides in battle with monsters, and the battle system is where the majority of the fun can be had. Monsters appear on-screen, so battle is always initiated somewhat willingly by running into the monsters that occupy the varying landscapes and dungeons in the game. Once battle has begun, it is a fairly simple affair. The system is based in real time, with the exclusion of the menus for items and equipment that can be accessed in the middle of a confrontation.

The main problem with the story of Vesperia is that it reeks of mediocrity. The story, while imaginative, is far too simple considering its proposed subject matter. The politics of the fractured Empire are treated very lightly and the systems that lie outside of the Empire are barely mentioned, with the exception of the Guilds. For the first 15 hours, the Guilds are only whimsically mentioned, but even when they propel themselves to the forefront of the story, it is only done so to get to the next plot point. There are no thrills in this dichotomy. Another topic of note is how wishy-washy the villains in the game are. While it is easy to appreciate the lack of a true centralized enemy initially, it becomes very stale trying to figure out whom exactly to hate. Vesperia treats it as a mystery, but if anything, it only comes across as boring. Also, the dialogue is worthless and juvenile at best. There is a point in the middle of the game where a fascinating decision is made, one that transcends the majority of conventions in the game. Yet, instead of building on that positive, almost adult momentum, the game gasps for breath and retreats into the same childish mode almost immediately thereafter. It is highly disappointing, but not altogether terrible.

Fighting proficiently in Tales of Vesperia requires the player to master the combo system utilized in the game. A combo consists of normal attacks, and can also include “Artes.” The normal attack is initiated with a button press, but can be elaborated with the use of the left analog stick. Thrusting requires a horizontal depression, while an air attack necessitates a vertical depression. The general rule of thumb is that three normal attacks can be utilized before using two Artes. Artes are the game’s special attacks and are acquired through fighting, leveling up, and getting to a specific story objective. Artes can be used at any time during battle, but their real place in battle is after an onslaught of melee attacks. Artes drain TP (Vesperia’s MP equivalent) and can be assigned to specific depressions of the right analog stick. This minor bit of customization becomes critical during boss fights, because often, the difference between life and death in the game is knowing exactly how to pull off large combinations of attacks.

The kinks in the battle system's armor appear when the player moves outside the central conflict and into the menu system. Picking out items and targeting members of the party or different enemies can be a hassle. Also, the block option in the game leaves much to be desired. While blocking an enemy’s attacks, the character can do nothing but hold up his weapon. After the enemy finishes attacking, the game quite often just restarts the onslaught. In this way, the game forces players to take their lumps in battle. After a few fights, players will realize that the block button is completely useless. One thing that really hurts the game’s battle system is the massive battles themselves. Vesperia is better suited for one-on-one fighting, but often throws three to seven monsters into each battle. That means getting hit on multiple fronts by multiple creatures in uncontrollable waves, which then translates to wasting health items and healing TP all because of how the system is weighted toward the individual rather than the group. Some Artes effect areas, but those are few and far between (and not necessarily effective) within the game. Another odd point is that the game doesn’t reveal everything about the battle system until very late into the game (about 20-ish hours) when players will learn about the second degree of an attack called “Over Limits.” In fact, it takes several hours to learn about Fatal Strikes “FS Chains,” Over Limits, and Secret Missions. It’s silly not to put all the tools for the fighting system in the player’s hands from the get-go. These aforementioned higher-level attacks directly tie into the combo system, and really serve the best purposes during a boss fight.

Weapons, armor, and other various fighting tools can be bought and assembled in stores. Vesperia has two distinct crafting systems, both of which are easier than anything in an MMO. The first is the “Synthesis” system, which allows players to craft their own weapons, armor, and items from scraps picked up in battle. The scraps are easily obtained and putting together the items is done at a store. It is a fairly fluid and painless process. There is also a “Cooking” system, which allows players to create tasty meals from a list of discovered recipes. The cooking is the epitome of tacked-on. It’s supposedly an experience-based system that gives players certain modifications during battle -- but it really ends up being a silly hassle with little application.

There are three areas that compose the rest of the gameplay. There is the basic world map, cities, and different variants of dungeons. The world map is the same thing RPG fans have had to traverse for years: dots appearing on a mini-map to indicate important places like cities and dungeons, and it’s all very straightforward. Cities and dungeons are much the same. There is very little exploration allowed in Vesperia, to the point that it is nearly maddening. Sides of buildings are blocked off with invisible walls, structures are always locked before being prompted in the story, and leaving areas is forbidden unless specific story objectives have been accomplished. There are, of course, a few scattered treasures for the lucky ones that find an unlocked door in a place where “exploration” is supposed to occur, but it is a very tightly-wound experience. For the most part, Vesperia is about watching the story unfold and fighting monsters. Neither of these things function to any spectacular degree.

Vesperia has a very iconic look and feel. The visuals are constructed to look as if the game was hand-drawn. The delicate touches on the majority of objects, places, people, and creatures are much appreciated. The palate is especially vivid, and very welcome in this day and age of Unreal Engine 3. More importantly, the visuals never impede or supersede the experience of the game. If anything, they serve to highlight the best qualities of Vesperia. Only when the game is paused is the illusion of the world broken, when jagged edges appear throughout.

The score of the game is not profound or particularly irritating. Battle music never becomes repetitive, which is always an important feature in an RPG. The voice acting in the game (utilized in every cut-scene) is decent considering the material, but a small protagonist that is drawn into the party early in the game has a terribly annoying voice. If only this character would stay dead after falling in battle.

Overall, Tales of Vesperia is a mediocre offering. It never truly captures the imagination nor has the ability to draw a person into its fantasy world. The battle system suffices, but it often stumbles over its own feet when it comes to item and enemy selection. The scripting is poor, and the game is woefully linear. The storyline, while seemingly profound, never reaches a level that requires thought or grabs the player. The one opportunity that Vesperia had to do that was wasted entirely.

Score: 6.0 (Decent. Slightly above average, maybe a little niche. But you wouldn't recommend it to everybody.)


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Y0j1mb0's Avatar
Y0j1mb0 at 09/13/2008 12:23
I might still give it a whirl... I'm a sucker for Cel shaded games.
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Miguelcar808 at 09/13/2008 12:26
I'm still playing the first Tales... from 1995.
That makes 2021 the year that'll play this game
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Colette Bennett at 09/13/2008 12:28
Big hearts to Heretic for posting our scale. Also, bummer! I was really hoping this one would be good.
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Brad Nicholson at 09/13/2008 12:30
@Colette Bennett - You know, it's a heavy mix. I think you'll echo the same thing with your Infinite Undiscovery review, but the fighting was just so mundane. This game would really pop if there was a coherent item/targeting system.
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eternalplayer2345 at 09/13/2008 12:36
I still need to go back and finish symphony :(. I wouldn't say I'm glad that it isn't that great but seriously rpg games backup so easily.
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nerpin at 09/13/2008 12:39
I don't know what game you were playing, but not using block against some of the harder enemies late in the game means you get mowed down really quickly (even the ones your party members claim look weak). Being swarmed by enemies forces you to use the 3D movement to reposition yourself. Pretending it's a 2D battle makes the game harder than it is.

I suppose I can agree that the menu systems are a bit clunky, but after 2347 Tales games I'm pretty used to it. The monster selection is annoying though. Ends up I usually just go after what the game points my sword at instead of bothering to switch.

The plot, to me, was a refreshing change. The 'hero' and his vigilante qualities, the lack of a central villain until late in the game. I always hated when other games explicitly stated "THIS IS THE BIG BAD. GO KILL HIM." and the next 60 hours are devoted to that goal.

Tales games do follow some cliches, but they give their characters depth and allow them to grow, which is more than can be said for most Final Fantasy games and other recent RPGs "What a startling revelation! My behavior shall remain unchanged!". Abyss and Vesperia are some of the best linear stories I've come across in RPGs in a long time. I admit Abyss was a bit more compelling than Vesperia is though, but I think it'll be years before a more interesting story pops up in a JRPG than Abyss.

I'll take Vesperia over FFXII, Eternal Sonata or Lost Odyssey any day. Gotta give Infinite Undiscovery a whirl though.
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Timmeh at 09/13/2008 12:42
I saw a review or two of this that were similar to Brad's and I guess this just further cements the reported mediocrity. After buying Lost Odyssey when I had a desire to play an RPG despite similar scoring reviews and struggling to force myself to finish it I won't be making the same mistake again.

I've started to ask myself whether all those Japanese RPGs I liked when I was younger were really that great in the first place or whether I'm looking through rose-tinted specs. It just doesn't seem like there's been one worth playing so far the gen unless you're bloody desperate and good at convincing yourself pieces of turd are really bars of gold.
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Mister Disco at 09/13/2008 12:43
I don't know, I'm really enjoying Vesperia, myself. Never was much of a Tales fan but I really got into it. I think the fighting is the opposite of "mundane". Mundane, to me, is ye olde turn based system that everyone seems to wub so much. Pick a command, wait for animation. That's mundane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3huQAEIBfac

Check out the above video. As a RPG fan as well as a fighting game fan, I love the ability to do complex combos in this game. It adds a layer of fun to the combat that makes grinding the levels away (usually a chore in most games) absolutely delightful.
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Zeno at 09/13/2008 12:44
Japan can keep their shitty RPGs. Nothing out of Japan even comes close to anything on the Infinity engine.
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Brad Nicholson at 09/13/2008 12:45
@Timmeh - That's actually something I thought about when I wrote that bit before the break. Do I still love EarthBound?

I dunno....

@nerpin - I only used offense. Of course, I died my fair share. I just found the blocking nearly useless. And holding down the trigger to run in a circle is just sad when you think about it. :(
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Daxelman at 09/13/2008 12:53
It's cell shaded? Ho Shit....
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eternalplayer2345 at 09/13/2008 12:53
@Timmeh and Brad

I got the same feelings a couple months ago when playing lost odyssey. I was in love with the game but I started to see LO as the exception as opposed to the rule. But then I finally go my earthbound cart to save and it was pure joy. It was one of those rare games that I wish could just go on forever. So it seems this generation is really just as lackluster as it seems.
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Doctor Payne at 09/13/2008 13:06
I'm four hours in and enjoying it so far. Though the story is almost non-existent so far, the characters all seem distinct, well written, ad well acted. There are quite a few genuinely funny bits of dialogue. It's not as good as Lost Odyssey, but I'm enjoying it alot more than Eternal Sonata or Blue Dragon, and it's MILES ahead of Infinite Undiscovery, which is a complete pile of trash.
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SilverDragon1979 at 09/13/2008 13:09
Thanks for the review Brad. I very much have mixed feelings about this game. I might pick it up, but there is just so much coming out in the next couple of months I honestly don't know when I would have time to play it.
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calpis at 09/13/2008 13:11
I've never played a Tales of game before. First time I even touched one was when the japanese demo of vesparia came out. Although I've loved the artwork in all of the Tales of games, I don't think I can ever love the action based battle system these games have. I tried to like it but just can't.

Turn based FTW.
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Duke2071 at 09/13/2008 13:33
I have been playing Tales of Vesperia and I am about 30 hours into the game. I have to say i couldn't disagree more with this review (I still love you Destructoid). I find this is one of the better JRPG's i have played in a while. The open battle system adds a new twist on the traditional RPG style (makes constant battles be continually interesting because its not simple turn-based attacks) and the story is pretty great too. Even though the translations are not perfect I still find that the writing is pretty decent and the characters really grow on you. The colors in the game are really great and there are NO RANDOM ENCOUNTERS! YAY! I personally highly recommend this game to anyone who enjoys a traditional RPG, but with a new (less boring) battle system. Also the anime style art in the game is AWESOME!!!
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brainderailment at 09/13/2008 13:37
Looks like i should rent it.
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Sol Kyoshiro at 09/13/2008 13:49
Wow I've never disagreed with a review so much before. For one I have to say, Tales has always been about the characters, the story is simple a setting for them to react to. ToV has some of the best characters in modern RPG's. Things like skits adds a surprising amount of life and fun into the characters.

The game is not meant to launch a million papers or blow you away or make you cry. Its just suppose to be FUN. And it is, overwhelmingly.

It seems as if Brad didn't play very far or deep into the game because he would have seen the evolution of the block button.

Yes it starts off as a simple unmovable block. But as you collect skills from weapons the block changes. You get backstep which allows you to do a backstep while blocking. Then there's a skill that modifies that that lets you backstep in quick succession. Then there's a skill that lets you do an arte from blocking. Then there's a skill that lets you stun the enemy with a forward + block.

And as far as one on one combat, once agian your suppose to make sure your skills progress as you go through the game. your not suppose to stand there in the middle of the stage and get wailed on by multiple enemies. Your suppose to hit and duck and weave, lure enemies away from each other and such. Use knockback moves to seperate the crowd. You get skills that give a sort of auto guard that keeps other mobs from interrupting your attacks.

The skill system is a HUGE part of the game and yet you didn't mention it once in your review Brad. You collect and keep multiple weapons so that you learn as many skills as possible to make sure you have what you need for every situation. There's standard plus damage skills all the way to skills that modify your artes (called Altered artes).

Cooking is NOT tacked on. There specifically meant to help you recover from battle. TP and HP food at the end of a battle will keep you from having to use items. Not to mention the plus attack or defense food that lets you slick into your next battle even faster. In addiction almost every character gets some sort of healing skill, with one of your characters being primarily a healing paladin!

And Brad, sidequest? You totally forgot to even mention those. There's some sort of sidequest to start or continue after EVERY town you go to. It usually requires you to find someone in that town to talk to to trigger the event or run back to a previous town you were at.

There's sidequest that give you items, skills, artes, cooking recipes, rare synthesis mats, costumes and titles. In fact the major sidequest toward the end of the game helps you get your Ultimate weapons (which getting them changes your endboss fight btw) and the lengthy secret dungeon.

Brad I think ultimately you didn't want to give this game a try. From the beginning you made it sound as if you felt jRPG's are stale and old. And while no they haven't change, what genre really has? People like it because its like that. The Japanese make it for them and its us the Westerns that play them and try to get into them.

But Tales is far more deep than you would let it be. The skill system alone changes how you fight and lets you have a lot of customization over your crew and there's easily another 30 hours of sidequest to do if you seek them. (yes you can easily miss 99% of the sidequest if you don't actively backtrack, talk to people and go places)

If you like RPG's I give it an 9 for Tales fans. 8 for general RPG fans and probably a 7 if you generally don't like rpg's but are feeling froggy.

Play it for yourselves and decide, I think you would be doing yourselves a great injustice by now.
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mix at 09/13/2008 14:05
That voice acting and childish thing sound bad and I hate that in video games, HATE.

I HATED FFX2 for that reason as even though Riku is pretty hot for a fake female character I've never hated a fictional character in a video game anymore than that. Why couldn't she be hot AND smart...*sigh*
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grafkhun at 09/13/2008 14:18
Sol Kyoshio- agreed, but Brad can say whatever he wants, you don't have to listen to him.

I thought the review was good but obviously Brad is not the biggest fan of JRPG's, so take it with a grain of salt people. I for one am going to pick up ToV anyways, after a few price drops that is. But yeah, ToV is JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER Tales games out there, but is that a bad thing? yes and no.
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Sol Kyoshiro at 09/13/2008 14:23
grafkhun- yea i know. But alot of people are basing there decision to get it on his words. And I just feel like he's offbase on some things and want people to see the other side of the coin before they decide.
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SWE3tMadness at 09/13/2008 14:27
Don't think I'll bother with this. I don't like getting involved in RPG's unless there's an emotional payoff for all the level grinding required. So if the story isn't that good, I lose interest in what I'm doing and don't have much motivation to finish the game. :(
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Edarios at 09/13/2008 14:38
a 6? ugh.
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Brad Nicholson at 09/13/2008 14:40
@Sol Kyoshiro - I'll elaborate on the "sidequests" for a minute with this cute little imaginary dialogue between the characters.

Random Citizen: My [artifact/item] is missing. Find it.
Yuri: Sure

[travels, finds it, returns]

Random Citizen: Thanks!

It's really that simple. I mean, cooking recipes? It's an invalid concept. Over the course of the game I found it to be the most tacked on thing in the game. Where are the real benefits of the system? The effects last minutes and suck. Why bother traversing the world and killing low level monsters along the way? It's a soulless endeavor. Give me something I care about, you know? I understand your point, I just don't agree with it.

And of course I wanted to give it a try. I wouldn't have played it if I didn't want to. I purposefully removed this review out of the stale concept that I talked about in the introduction. I just wanted to get the word out on the impact that I think the game has made.
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HertzaHaeon at 09/13/2008 14:45
Did the reviewer taste the game? If not, the palette is especially vivid, no the palate.
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moominsean at 09/13/2008 14:58
i'm enjoying it. infinitely better than the plodding mess that was mass effect....and the very 'meh' lost odyssey.

i don't understand the point of the cooking game at all, though, every time i try, it says i failed or my party is full. so i just ignore it.

and i think the story is fairly complex as you work your way through it. lots of twists and turns, and multiple lines going on at the same time. i'm very curious to see how it all pans out (other than the obvious happy ending that will be).
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coffeesash at 09/13/2008 14:58
Yes, I'm glad this is another mediocre RPG game, I don't want to buy a 360 yet, if at all >_<
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ThisYearsPink at 09/13/2008 15:18
@ HertzaHaeon: Please tell me you created an account just to point that out.
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Dexem at 09/13/2008 15:21
Hmm, never disagreed with a destructoid review before. Maybe the fact that this is my first Tales games factors into my opinion.

From what I've played I would have to give it an 8.
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Xelotath at 09/13/2008 15:22
I'm still playing through the game and so far it's the best 'Tales of' game I played after Tales of Symphonia on the GameCube. If you like Tales games or JRPGs you'll like ToV. It may have some clichés but what RPG doesn't? I say get this and Lost Odyssey, you won't regret it, unless you only like western RPGs.
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broonor at 09/13/2008 15:30
how is an rpg a rental if one doesn't use gamefly? i don't have that much free time in 5 days :D

Well thought out review though
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nerpin at 09/13/2008 15:53
@Duke2071

The battle system really isn't 'new'. The first incarnation of it was in 1995 in Tales of Phantasia. Each Tales game just adds something new to it.
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Gen Eric Gui at 09/13/2008 15:57
I was going to write a long critique of this review, but Sol Kyoshiro already said pretty much everything I could have.
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ZekeThePlumber at 09/13/2008 16:11
I love a good Tales game, which is surprising since I've pretty much grown tired of JRPGs in general, but I'll admit Vesperia isn't the best of the Tales series. That however hasn't kept me from playing the hell out of it.

Story-wise it can't really compare to Symphonia in that regard. There's no big twist and the plot is somewhat linear in the sense that you pretty much know where and what you'll be doing next as the story is revealed. There's a couple of intriguing plot points like vigilante justice vs. lawful justice and the justified killing of corrupt individuals, but once they rear their head they seem to drift off back into obscurity just as quickly without being fleshed out as well as they could be. The experience of the character interactions far exceed the storyline, which isn't too bad since Tales games tend to develop their characters far more than most JRPGs.

Visually, the game is a mixed bag. It can be mundane in some places, but then stunning in the next. Towns like Halure are a pleasure to look at with the tree blossoms constantly falling and the vibrant colors of the characters and buildings, really making use of the cell-shaded visuals. Conversely, when you walk into a cave dungeon you're bored to death with corridors that all look the same with the same texture used over and over again and possibly some dim neon lighting, somewhat disappointing since this aspect is almost identical to previous games of the series. Fortunately the fighting animations and music occasionally make you forget its shortcomings.

My only gripe with the review is the critique of the battle system, which many people believe, myself included, to be the best of all the Tales series and easily the shining aspect of this game. No mention was made of the skill system. Nor do I quite understand your problem with the item system. You press Y to open the battle menu, select items, select which character you want to use the item, pick which item, and then choose the recipient. The only limitation is that unless you have the "Item Thrower" skill set on a character will you be able to use items on characters other than said character.

Also, I think your lack of usage of the skill system skewed your view towards guarding. Skills like "Backstep" and "Critical Guard" makes guarding more strategic than just defensive. Later, things get more complex with skills when you're able to cancel a guard to an arte or prevent staggering while trying to perform a combo. Proper usage of skills keeps the game from becoming a button masher allowing you to plow through dungeons after a little power leveling.

The review nailed alot of good points and I'd have to agree with most of it after having put in over 60 hours into the game. The only area I feel you really failed to do justice describing is the depth and customization of the battle system.

Oh, and I'm going to have to deduct a point for failing to mention that one of your characters is a pipe smoking dog that attacks with a knife.
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nerpin at 09/13/2008 16:14
@ZekeThePlumber

Tut tut. He doesn't actually SMOKE the pipe. Don't give people any wild expectations! They could buy the game expecting a pipe smoking dog then go "WTF. He just keeps it in his mouth." *wags finger* Then they'll come for you and your family.
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ZekeThePlumber at 09/13/2008 16:20
@ nerpin:

As far as I'm concerned, a dog that goes around looking like he's smoking a pipe is just as badass as a dog that does smoke a pipe. It's the best he can do without opposable thumbs.
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Sieghardt at 09/13/2008 16:30
Yuri is the most annoying RPG hero since Squall
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Sol Kyoshiro at 09/13/2008 17:23
From what you said Brad its obvious you didn't do any of the sidequest. Most him them have nothing to do with fetch missions. Almost all of them have actual stories that involve learning more about the Tales world. From Judith's Spear Quest which tells you ALOT about her backstory, to the sidequest like Ghost of Halure which tells you about the myths of the tree, there's no random fetching or item giving involved. You simply have to find the person to trigger the event at the right time. There pretty much only called sidequest because you don't run into them if your just barreling through the game.

And the reward from the sidequest are items, weapons, skills and such. Not just "useless" cooking recipes.

If you used cooking you'd realize how useful it was. It requires NO grinding whatsoever to do cooking. Most of the things you need are dropped from mobs you'll already be fighting or bought for dirt cheap at a town.

Like I said it keeps you buffed between battles, and the food isn't for minutes, its for the next fight. How is food that replenishes 30% health or TP useless? Food that gives 30% extra magic defense or physical attack.

Food is there to keep your party topped off while cutting through mobs. That way you don't have to use items unless its an especially hard fight or its a boss fight.

I can understand why you did the review. But some of the points you make don't make sense at all, its almost like you didn't play it.
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Capn Birdseye at 09/13/2008 17:34
wishy washy enemies... evil empire... worthless and juvenile dialogue and plot...sounds like every other JRPG out there - I'll pass.

Thanks for saving me $80 Brad ;)
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Brad Nicholson at 09/13/2008 18:02
@Capn Birdseye - That's why we do this. I'm glad I could save you some change.
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Kia at 09/13/2008 18:14
Brad, are you insane?! >_>;; Honestly!

Vesperia is a fantastic game and probably the best JRPG on the 360 at the moment. On top of that it's quite possibly the best Tales title yet, a series which you so obviously have never touched in your life, making me wonder why you even bothered to write this review.

I mean, this wasn't even a good review, it was just plain -wrong-. I don't know what game you're playing where blocking has no effect, or how you're forced to "take your lumps" when the free run system lets you circle around enemies to avoid most any hit. You're not even forced to stand still when blocking, if you would just equip some skills you'd have realized that. As for the targeting and item selection, they are the same as they've been in every single Tales game for the past thirteen years!

As for artes, plenty of useful spells affect large areas. Go read up on how to utilize Rita and how broken she is, then come back and write this review. And you even rip on the cooking! The cooking is a staple of Tales, and is an extremely useful way to provide healing of your entire party at once at the cost of a single use item.

Even further, while, yes, the plot is certainly only slightly above average, the characters are very well done and again, some of the best Tales has offered in its entire history.

It is really a shame such a poorly written review is keeping so many people from experiencing such a fantastic RPG. It's certainly not the quality of the writing that is an issue, but the content. You clearly have no experience with Tales at all and seem from the outset to not even be a fan of RPGs to begin with.

This was an absolutely horrible review written by someone that clearly had no clue what they were talking about. Really, really disappointing.
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ThisYearsPink at 09/13/2008 18:26
@Kia - Aren't you the same person that whined about the Brave Story review? Or was it Valhalla Knights?
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catsithx at 09/13/2008 19:25
I'll pick it up when I am done with the othr 23 games I have yet to beat are done so about 2012 sounds about right
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Impulsedaniel at 09/13/2008 19:45
I agree with you a 100% kia.
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Chilly at 09/13/2008 20:14
Out of all the Tales games I've played, I have only bothered to finish Tales of Eternia (Destiny 2)
Give me Star Ocean, I actually finish them games.
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Kia at 09/13/2008 20:24
@ThisYearsPink

How about you read what I--and others--said about the quality of this review before mouthing off?
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byrc at 09/13/2008 21:04
Brad is the wrong person to review this game, I respect his views.

However people who read Brad's review need to know something,
especially you Collete.

If you like Tales of the Abyss gameplay you'll Tales of Vesperia. It is a great game.

I can understand people not liking the cheesy storyline, but same could be said about Tales of the Abyss.

Essentially Collete, if you liked Tales of the Abyss you'll Like Tales of Vesperia even more.

If you didn't like Tales of the Abyss, then you won't like Tales of Vesperia.

It's simple as that.
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Atlas at 09/13/2008 21:58
[b]Well, this is definitely a niche title not to be appreciated by everyone. I agree with the score, as it is basically equivalent to the inflated rating systems of other sites. And I am sure that the author of this review completed the game, given I consider the reviews on Destructoid to be pretty professional and how long it has been since it's release.

That said, I really do like this game. Some of the characters and their development can suck you in.[/b]
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JoeCamNet at 09/14/2008 03:36
HIGHLY disagree. This game is a solid 8 and a fine addition to the Tales series.
And Cooking is tacked on? Have you played a Tales game before??
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JoeCamNet at 09/14/2008 03:49
Also, after reading all the comments, I get a kick out of how many people point out flaws in the review and the only comment that Brad made was to commend his review for preventing somebody from buying it. That's some bullshit. I've been disagreeing with a lot of D-toid reviews lately and that makes me worried. Seems like you're throwing out some low scores lately just to get some people talking.
I'm a proud owner of the best RPG on the 360 right now and if you're on the fence, I hope you consider giving it a shot despite the review here since it's obviously in the minority (this game is sitting at 80% on gamerankings)
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