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Back in August, Dyson gave us a hands-on preview of Skate 2 that summed up the new additions to the series fairly well, and so I invite you to sit down by the campfire, and let me tell you in grand detail how the game pans out.

Now, before we get into this, I will admit that I'm a longtime player of Tony Hawk games, and now that Neversoft isn't working on them anymore, there's no reason why I'd want to touch the series again, so I'm more than willing to jump into Skate 2 as my new mainstay of skating games.

So, without further ado, let's flip those tricks and kick it into high gear. I'll show you just how buttery this game can be. 

Skate 2 (Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 [Reviewed])
Developed by EA Black Box
Published by Electronic Arts
Released on January 20, 2009

What happens when Mongo Corporation comes in and practically takes over the town? Why, they have their security guards put metal caps on everything skateable in the city, and body-check anyone on a skateboard. So, you've served your hard time in jail for what I presume was either killing someone while skating or just rocking those tricks too damn hard.

So now that you're out of prison, it's time to get your cred back. Like Dyson mentioned, the game allows you to remove yourself from the board, pulling off new sorts of tricks, and if you want to, you can simply run around the world. Of course, I don't recommend doing this unless you absolutely have to. When your character gets off the board, he begins to control like some nightmare conjured up from the darkest pits of survival horror. It makes Silent Hill feel like it's Metal Gear Solid.

Allowing you to get off of your skateboard and interact with the environment, though, is a fantastic touch that opens up quite a bit of opportunity. Now, you can move about bits and pieces of scenery to create opportunities for combos or reach some highly-desirable spots that were inaccessible without the aid of a ramp or something to jump up onto.

Now, looking at this from my experience with Tony Hawk titles, my first sitting with the game was utterly shameful. Getting used to the controls takes a decent amount of time, especially if you're accustomed to the button-mashing that was Tony Hawk. That's not to say that the controls aren't logical -- they make a ton of sense, but it's just not what I'm used to playing. So, after mounting that hurdle, I found myself dealing with another one: the environment.

As I've found, Skate 2 is not particularly easy. Unless you spend plenty of time practicing and learning all of the engine's tricks, you're going to suffer. Sometimes I wouldn't be able to land tricks because of poor timing. I'll admit, that's my fault. But too often I would run into the camera changing position to such an angle that it was impossible to see what I had lined up, a person suddenly walking in the way of my trick, or just landing at the wrong angle and being thrown from my board.

Beyond this, I would run into problems with the physics of the game, resulting in some rather odd results. For example, I moved two dumpsters right next to each other in order to make it easier to jump over them both for a challenge. When the two dumpsters touched, they shot into the air as though some invisible mine was triggered, and it came down on my head. How that happened, I'd love to know.

Despite those problems, running around the city is as easy as the city is gorgeous. It's rather well designed and is a rather accurate recreation of a city. They didn't skimp on any of the minor details, which can sometimes be a problem. Even the most minor of sudden elevations of terrain stop you from moving, and if you don't realize that you can't just skate over them, it'll send you flying.

But, for all the minor problems in the environment, it does give you a ton of stuff to interact with and explore. The city is rather expansive, and getting around it can take quite a while if you want to just skate through. Within Skate 2 are a bunch of miniature challenges that you can try if you're not too interested in tricks, like managing to crash into a person at 25 mph and the like.

One of the things that I must ask is: who the hell speaks like the characters in this game do? "Man, you can't believe how buttery I made you look!" The dialogue is filled with stereotypical skater talk, to the point where it's so bad that it's funny. Combined with that, Black Box still needs to work on its facial structures -- many of the characters have rather awkwardly shaped faces.

Skate 2 is going to require a serious investment of time on your part if you want to get into it. I'll be honest with that. But once you do, the game provides a rather intuitive and fun experience that's worth the work you put into it. The camera is one of the most immediate problems that needs to be fixed, but Black Box has done a good job with the title, and if they can keep making substantial improvements with each title in the series, then they'll be the undisputed frontrunners for the new generation of skating titles.

Score: 7 -- Good (7s are solid games that definitely have an audience. Might lack replay value, could be too short or there are some hard-to-ignore faults, but the experience is fun.)


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Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:05
Emrah
I heard EA is closing Black Box? Am I wrong?
Solgrim's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:07
Solgrim
Are we doing away with number scores?
J03yyz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:09
J03yyz
You heard right - they closed.
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:09
Projectexodus
WHERE'S THE SCORE!? NOW I'LL NEVER KNOW IF THE GAME IS GOOD OR BAD!!!
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:11
ParaParaKing
Wait? Is this a preview or a review?
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:18
galagabug
keep playin man, it gets rewarding. review was a little light in contrast to what usually gets posted around here.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:22
Justice
Where is the image that corresponds to the score!
I MUST KNOW!
Conrad Zimmerman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:29
Conrad Zimmerman
I thought EA just laid a whole bunch of people at Black Box off, not closed the studio
CHRZASZCZ's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:44
CHRZASZCZ
Dick, Dick, Dick...
It saddens me to read that, due your incapability to transcend from simple button mashing to skate simulation, you misjudged one of the greatest games of all times. I mean a sequel to it...
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:45
Qraze
i see a score. its a 7. why is 6 afraid of 7?
Mongrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:48
Mongrel
WOW, How is no one commenting on how bad this review is. It's obvious from the way you wrote that you have no experience playing this game. There is no way you could of made it very far into the story mode without some kind of skill. If I have to read you starting any more sentences with "but", "despite" or "beyond this" I dont know what I will do. BRUTAL. This game is exactly what tony hawk couldn't do. Make a skateboarding game real and fun.
munkee's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 12:48
munkee
I have been playing this a lot the past few days and the online skating is brilliant fun :D

when there are a few of you in there with headsets on and a decent competition the game really shines. great online experience.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:10
fetusmilk
this is one of the best reinventions of a video game genera ever. it took something that was way over done(but still fun to play) and made it into something completely new and original. and then they added onto it with out taking anything away from the experience.

the only reason i can see someone not liking skate is because they dont know how to play it.

this game is easily a 9+. for me.

also dont forget to grab your dtoid skate 2 stickers.
Pygmy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:11
Pygmy
Thank god I'm not the only person who thought that peoples faces looked disfigured.
DJP3DRO's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:12
DJP3DRO
Since when did Metal Gear Solid have controls that could be defined in any way, shape, or form as "good"?
everybodyruns's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:13
everybodyruns
I don't know, Mongrel; I thought the game was garbage. Just because you are in love with a game doesn't mean that it's the only way to see it.
Danmartigan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:17
Danmartigan
Wow, isn't this a hardcore gamer's site? Why is everyone so afraid of learning the controls for this game? It's really not that hard. Hell, Boom Blox has more difficult moments than Skate.

The Tony Hawk series was fine for what it was, and Skate wouldn't exist without it- but seriously let the button mashing die. Learn something new and be creative instead of following a pattern of commands on your screen.

And since you reviewed the game on the PS3, I can't help but wonder how painful it is to play the game with those cute little analog sticks. Not to mention the ever persistent frame rate issues.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:27
mix
I played the Skate 2 demo and did not enjoy it at all when compared to Skate, walking felt like more of a chore than anything.
kciN's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 13:42
kciN
I think a big problem a lot of us are having with this review is that the reviewer clearly never played (and, more importantly, never beat) the first one. Starting out, the game is difficult and confusing. It uses an entirely new control convention, of COURSE it is difficult and confusing. This is why it is required that one plays the game for an extensive period of time before understanding and almost inevitably appreciating the controls. In the beginning, I could kickflip, albeit inconsistently, and that was it. By the end of the game, I was able to perform a laser flip or 360 flip on command, with no slip-ups - and I'm not even that good compared to my friends.

I get the impression that not only does the reviewer have only a rudimentary grasp on the controls of the game, but didn't beat the game - unless, of course, it is far easier than the first Skate and can be beaten by someone who only understands the basics.

Also, how are the new lip trick controls? How is implementing getting off the board into tricks? No mention whatsoever? Way to brush this one off.

All in all, pretty weak.
CWal37's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 14:23
CWal37
I really enjoy the way these games feel.
Rockefellow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 14:27
Rockefellow
@DanMartigan

Looks like someone doesn't know that EA develops their titles on the Playstation 3, then ports them elsewhere.

In regards to the review, I agree that a few things may have been left out, and the writing was poor, but it got the point across all right, didn't it?
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 14:35
Kyousuke Nanbu
I considered picking this up but I remembered my time with the original Skate and decided to skip it.

The fact that people getting in your way is still a problem shows they didn't learn anything from the first one.

And yea, the CAS is terrible, female characters just look like men in drag.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 14:38
Necros
I saw DMV play. Tony Hawk was really ingrained into his mind from countless installments, so he really, really sucked, but he got the hang of the controls eventually. It's presumable that if you weren't so trained by Tony Hawk, you would have no problem with the controls. His main problem was learning to anticipate his moves in advance, which were pulled off more instantaneously in Tony Hawk, so he had to fight the impulse to wait to use a move at the last moment and instead start the animation earlier. He learned the controls in the end, though, so I don't see why people are complaining so much about the review expressing his true difficulties in learning the game.

That said, DMV obviously doesn't appreciate how hilarious the dialogue is. It's dope and whacked out, man.

@ Danmartigan

I've played some of the demo for the original on PS3, and even though I always prefer the 360 controller in games, the PS3 version plays just fine. Also, there were no framerate issues that I saw in Skate 2.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 14:40
JACK of No Trades
Dude! Come on! This game is the pinnacle of skateboarding. This is a horrible write-up. The worst of all is that you deemed this game hard and rated it low because you couldn’t learn how to flick an analogue stick? Not cool at all. I usually don’t post much anymore, but I felt I had to with this stubborn review. Skate 2 improved greatly over Skate. They included a great online service and great features to help you get around the world. Please don’t review games that you don’t complete and don’t take the time to learn the controls. THIS IS VERY WEAK!
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 14:55
pascuz46
While I thought the control layout for the first one kicked ass I am still not a big fan of Stake Boarding games. I tried the demo for this and was a bit unimpressed, at least the demo for Skate 1 wanted me to go out and rent it. Which I did.
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:01
Emrah
BTW, it would indeed be better if this was also reviewed by a Skate veteran, as well as a Skate newbie like this reviewer.
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:06
Vitamin Awesome
Oh noes, it's not 11/10, better get the whaaaaambulance.

7 is still a solid number. I haven't picked this one up yet, but I probably will, I loved the first one.

7s are solid games that definitely have an audience.
And I'm part of that audience. I can live with that.
Infininja's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:08
Infininja
I agree the review is poorly composed, but I'm not saying that because I think the game deserves a higher score.
Mongrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:17
Mongrel
The Score that was chosen for the review is irrelevant. The context used in the review is where i see the problem. Also i dont know why he would of gave it a 7 (which is a decent score) if he didnt really like the game and saw a ton of problems with it. Also, i am not "in love" with the game. I just think a lot of risks were taken in order to get this series made and for someone to "not get it" sucks.
Danmartigan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:31
Danmartigan
Well, maybe they fixed the PS3 framerate issues- but I remember reading a review linked from metacritic stating that the review copy had some serious problems.

And I'm sure EA develops every single game on the PS3 first, then ports them elsewhere, because that makes so much sense.
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:33
Steel Squirrel
It is odd to have someone review the game who's last skateboarding game experience was Tony Hawk.

This game is truly one of the most creative experiences you can have this generation. I'm not talking about the movement of the pieces in the environment either. The freedom to skate how you want to skate and learning how you want to learn is the beauty of this game.

I have watched 4 different friends of mine play this game and they all play it a different way, they all skate different ways.

The complaints about the walking function seem oddly out of place, like the walking is the main aspect of the game or something. Everyone should be thankful that it is even an option to get off the board.

The first Skate. was critically acclaimed, yet it had no walk function or half of the new features that this game does. It seems really moronic to score a game lower because it introduces only new and improved things, yet one of them isn't quite up to your standards. I'm not just talking about the review score on this site either, there were plenty other sites that had similar gripes that were just downright petty.

The dialog and the skate culture references are supposed to be tongue and cheek, they don't all walk around talking like that... seriously... "You nailed it, nailer!" and "BLAOW!" you think they say that with a straight face to each other on a daily basis?

I can't stand the reviews that say, "Skate isn't an easy game" or "It is just so frustrating trying to land a specific trick or line". Have you ever ridden a skateboard? Have you ever attempted to drop in on a bowl at a skatepark or grind a ledge or rail? The shit is fucking hard.

I don't know, it just seems silly to me. It is like picking up a Sim-whatever game and complaining that the financial systems are difficult to manage and it is just so hard to budget the money and make everyone happy. That is the fucking point. That is the point.

You work for how good you are in this game, you work at your style, your lines, your areas that you love to skate. This game replicates a real life activity better than any game I have played before and for that, it deserves more recognition.

Also... Danmartigan is right, other reviews said there were some bad frame rate issues on the PS3 and the original Skate. had some horrid issues with frame rate, my buddy used to try to get me to play his Skate. on the PS3 all the time and it was painful.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 15:57
Holyetheline
This review is short. I guess the difference between Skate and Skate 2 isn't that much either though.
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 16:11
Johnny Justice
@ Vitamin Awesome
People aren't complaining about the score. They're complaining that the review is incomplete.

Some major aspects of the game are left untouched upon. It's also as if we are expected the read the preview as well.

I thought the first game was alright but I'm undecided on whether I will get this one or not. This review hasn't helped sway me in either way.
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 17:01
brainderailment
What sucks about the camera, is that I find Skate2's camera to be an improvement upon the first Skate's. It's bad.
Zombutler's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 19:05
Zombutler
This review seems empty, perhaps due to the fact that you never played skate 1. I think this review definitely could have benefited from a second reviewer, because I and many others think it is a great successor to the sequel, and if you are a veteran of the series, it's a fantastic, over 7 title.
adwhammy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/26/2009 19:34
adwhammy
hhhmmmm... yeah this review seemed very light, fair enough if they didn't like the game but no mention of online? game modes? races? new tricks?

My impression from the review was that the game deserves a 5 or less.
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2009 00:28
Stahlbrand
Skate 2 is very much a 'sequel for the fans' game.

I loved Skate one, but after playing all the way through it (all offline achievements, I wasn't connected at the time) I had a laundry list of shit I wanted to see added, fixed, changed, and tweaked for the sequel.

And Skate 2 delievered on almost every item on that list. I think in that respect this might have gone better as one of those review roundups where a few eds take a turn at it.

Skateboarding, compared to other similar 'sports entertainment' stuff like roller blading and bmx, is really fucking hard. In RL as in the game, you bail your tricks because you are landing fast and crooked, and you have to practice alot to get good at anything.

If that doesn't sound like fun, then there is always Tony Hawk. But for many people (clearly) Skate's complicated-but-intuitive-after-epipheny controls and down-to-earth difficulty and magnitude were a much needed answer to the TH series excess and dial-the-phone simplicity.

As far as the score goes, I think a 7 is fair for the general audience, but if you played and liked the first one, you just gotta get this one, no questions about it.

I spent all evening playing freeskate online challenges with a friend over Live and it was great, Skate is one of the ultimate 'free form dick-around' games, and being able to just piss away time with friends is really sweet too.

Again, I have to say as a fan of the first game, this sequel is an amazing example of a company listening to its fan feedback and answering in detail.

There are still issues and rough edges, but man, that all fades away when you spend ten minutes just grooving on trying to fastplant up to a long rail to nose slide just right.
Noah's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2009 00:50
Noah
This could have been awesome :(
Murumasa123's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2009 06:46
Murumasa123
Shit review. Camera's fine.
If you can see the last Tony Hawk as a 5 the Skate 1 is a 9 for being so innovative refreshing and downright gorgeous.
For Skate 2 to add on that by improving the look, the amount of tricks and the goals as a whole its a ten and one of the best sports games of all time.
The fact my bro stopped playing the first one only when this new one came out is a testament to if you like skating this is the game for you.
Also hy should we justify it as a 7 for a general audience? Fuck it Carnival games for a general audience is mabye perfect with the right amount of gameplay and simplicity.

But as a game its a 2. And skate2 is a 10. Hell and this is from a non skater who doesn't really want to play it much.
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/27/2009 09:56
grafkhun
Oh god, dtoid is getting an influx of fanboy's now. Guy's, if you don't like DMV's review then go read some other one that's more positive and be happy. It's just one review and there's nothing wrong with it. In fact the review is positive and DMV's last paragraph basically sums up the game "the more work you put into skate 2, the more fun you'll have". Just STFUAJPG everyone.
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