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Destructoid interview: UGO's Michael McCracken and 1UP's Sam Kennedy photo

The UGO acquisition of 1UP throttled the gaming community. The acquisition signaled the end of Electronic Gaming Monthly, the leading videogame magazine. We celebrated the magazine’s rich and influential history on our own main page the day we found out that it had been cancelled.

More important than any magazine, were the gifted people that lost their jobs that day. It was the sad, bile-building reality of the deal brokered between the two publishers. The good news is that many writers were retained and given new jobs with UGO.  

I recently got an opportunity to do an e-mail interview with Michael McCracken, president of UGO Entertainment, and Sam Kennedy, editorial director at 1UP. We covered a lot of ground -- EGM, podcasts, and 1UP’s future -- but most importantly, Kennedy spoke about the people.

At the end of the interview Kennedy told me, “whatever talented people we may have lost recently or in the past, I’d love nothing more to regain as many of them in time.” It's a good message. UGO and 1UP will continue building their respective websites. Nothing has been left off table.

Hit the break for the full interview.

DESTRUCTOID:
When was the acquisition [finalized]?

Michael McCracken:
Both parties were working feverishly on deal points all the way up until Tuesday, January 6th, when the transaction was closed and announced.

Why didn't UGO pick up the EGM brand name?

UGO has been an online-only entity for the entire course of its 11-year history.  While we recognize and deeply respect the strength of the EGM brand and what that magazine has meant to gamers over the years, we have no experience with or desire to enter the magazine publishing business.  The opportunity to buy the EGM brand independent of the publication itself was not something that was discussed in any of our negotiations.

 
As I understand it, the one ex-1UP Network property that is sticking with Ziff Davis is File Front. Why wasn't that part of the deal as well?

The infrastructure required to support an online business like File Front is quite different than what’s required to run 1UP, GameVideos, MyCheats and GameTab. Our strength and interest lies in growing the types of websites we ultimately acquired.
 
If UGO didn't acquire 1UP, what would have happened?

We would have continued to search for an editorial powerhouse in the games space that would broaden our reach and represent a new flagship brand within our content portfolio.  In fact, even with the acquisition of 1UP, that search continues today, which we feel is pretty remarkable given the economic times.  Hearst is looking for UGO to become the #1 player in games and we have taken that mission to heart.  If you are wondering what would have happened to 1UP if the acquisition didn’t occur, that’s a question best answered by the folks over at Ziff Davis.
      
Will UGO run any of the 1UP video segments or podcasts?

Thank you for the opportunity to clear up a firestorm of misinformation regarding UGO’s point of view on 1UP’s podcast and video strategy.  At no point has anyone at UGO definitively “shut down” any of the great shows the 1UP team has developed.  Sam Kennedy and his team of editors at 1UP have a lot to think about right now.  They need to assess the resources they have available; they need to examine how their past productions have performed.  Are changes afoot?  Clearly.  Is UGO philosophically opposed to podcasting and personality-driven video?  By no means.  From everything we’ve seen from Sam and the team, this is a highly passionate group of experts with extreme savvy in developing online games content.  They are just now beginning to get a sense of their new business parameters and we’re confident they will emerge with an excellent strategy going forward.

Sam Kennedy:
I just wanted to chime in here as well. Podcasts and video shows were clearly impacted in all of this, but we fully intend to offer this content going forward – how much we do and how many shows we produce remains to be seen, though. Original video content on the web has taken a hit pretty much across the board, but we still have plans to produce some original stuff for GameVideos.com. As for podcasts, we’ve already had quite a few conversations with people currently working for 1UP and formerly working for 1UP on ideas for how to continue certain shows or to create new ones. Stay tuned, because there will be some good news on this front.

Will 1UP users lose their reviews, forum, and blog posts?

Sam Kennedy:
Absolutely not. 1UP.com, as a site, remains unchanged in all of this. In fact, the plan is to continue to grow and improve the community aspects, making these posts easier to find. So no, people will not lose their previous work. The only caveat to this is that 1UP has been in the process of migrating to newer and better message boards (something we’ve been working on for several months). While the boards themselves will transition to the new software, older posts will most likely not. However, we will still keep them available for as long as possible.



What will 1UP look like within the next 1-2 years?

Sam Kennedy:
Great question. In terms of our sites, a lot of things that we’ve had in the works for quite some time will finally come to fruition – and that means a lot better design, functionality, and performance. We intend to keep growing the 1UP community and really fulfilling 1UP’s mission of being the home for the gamer. In terms of our editorial, we’re going to keep doing what we always have, and that’s producing the very best content we can. How much we do and what types of content we offer remains to be seen, but our approach of having the most in-depth, informative, and entertaining content will continue on no matter what.

Do you have any specific plans for 1UP?

Sam Kennedy:
Yes, just to continue the mission of making 1UP the best destination for gamers, with the most robust community and the most informative and entertaining content. Our mission hasn’t changed, and we still get closer to our goal every day. And whatever talented people we may have lost recently or in the past, I’d love nothing more than to regain as many of them in time.    

[We thank UGO's Michael McCracken and 1UP's Sam Kennedy for their time.]








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Zombutler's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 16:47
Zombutler
[We thank UGO's Michael McCracker and 1UP's Sam Kennedy for their time. Also, Destructoid is the best destination for gamers.

LOL
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 16:53
naia-the-gamer
"At no point has anyone at UGO definitively “shut down” any of the great shows the 1UP team has developed."

So why lay off most of the people who made the shows so good? I didn't listen to 1Up Yours because of brand name, I listened to it for the people...
Trojanman88's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 16:56
Trojanman88
They fired anybody worth listening to/reading from. It's like replacing the hosts on Top Gear, fuck.
Anywho, McCracken just spouted off a bunch of sugary executive bullshit with Sam being his stool monkey. Excellent ending, Brad Nicholson's pecks.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 16:58
falinter
HAHA I love the brackets comment at the end.

Its funny cause its true.
AILDFan's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 17:00
AILDFan
To Naia's point, the personalities and their chemistry is what made the podcasts and the site; if they didn't want to 'shut down' any of the podcasts 'definitively' why layoff every regular from 1UPFM?

This whole ordeal, while not as terrible or intentionally driven as some may think, has really soured me on games journalism right now. 1UP and Destructoid were like the Ebony and Ivory of games reporting, living together in perfect harmony, complementing each other. Now that's broken.
Brad Nicholson's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 17:02
Brad Nicholson
Alright, I removed the bracketed thing. It can be misinterpreted.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 17:11
atastysammich
So, we have the good guys (mostly, depending on your opinion of Jeremy Parish) trying their best to put on a happy face (which is fine, since Sam finally gets around to what's really been on his mind on his blog), and the vilified purchasing company, which, having read the interview, still looks as villain-like, if not moreso than before. Ziff Davis had a foot in the grave and all that--on the one hand, having some of 1Up is better than the entire thing going down with the ship. But for UGO to just put it out there so matter-of-fact and practically give off a vibe of genuine satisfaction about pulling a fast one on employee and fan alike like that doesn't sit right with me.

But hey, I'm just some guy on the Internet with a Darkwing Duck avatar. The hell do I know about running gaming sites or magazines?
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 17:13
Naim Master
Dammit Brad , misinterpretation's F-U-N !
ShadowKirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 19:18
ShadowKirby
OMG, don't any of you as any clue about basic economy.

From Sam's own blog post:
"And I can’t be mad at UGO, because they didn’t lay off a single person in all of this -- they actually hired on 24 people that might’ve otherwise lost their jobs. Honestly, the real problem here was our business, and ultimately how the economy played into it. "

1Up was going down. If not for UGO YOU, the people screaming "arg fuck the big guy" would have lost everything. Sure there were lost but that's how it works in the real world. They just couldn't hire everyone and slowly loose money to repeat the selling/buying drama all over again with another company. This is not a fucking video game people!!!! UGO didn't arrive in tanks, fired a bunch of people and laughed while saying "harharhar fuck the fans and everyone. I shall kill FUN!" You don't buy something to ruin it. This is not Umbrella corp or EVIL CORP#334562 from FFsomething, it's the REAL WORLD! To say that a company is evil and "only care for profit" (OMG people wanting to make money! how evil) is.... just some second grade logic.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 19:30
Cowboy TTop
Well, paint it how you want to. I agree that 1up was about the people and their passion. I valued their opinions and enjoyed their company, and I hope to continue doing so elsewhere.

I guess the reality of business is what bites and the economy, however, even if some of the guys done a voluntary role podcasting outside of 1up, it would have counted more than just full lay offs. Maybe I'm living in a dreamland here, a they are human and have bills to pay. Without podcasts or vid shows, 1up is so much less, a big shame.
downsouthhustla's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 22:17
downsouthhustla
I wish that publishing EGM was still a viable option n some way. Since uggo has no desire to publish it, it would have been nice to see that go to another company that would be interested in putting out a hard copy of the mag. Hell, it would have been great if Shane, Greg, Milkman and the others would have been able to break away and "relaunch" EGM as an adult gamers mag, free from the shackles of Ziff and the bullshit that comes with dropping a magazine for people that, while they enjoy the same hobby, range in age from 6-50. I think a gaming mag for "of age" gamers would be sick. Imagine taking Dtoid to the can *sighs while smiling and dreamily staring off into space*.

To get back on track, hopefully they don't mess with the faqs, which are the only things I went to 1up for, and the podcasts, which I started checking out this week after reading about them here (y'all were right--they are great).
welkstar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/12/2009 22:39
welkstar
I can't believe this PR bullshit. If they wanted the podcasts to continue, they would still have the great personalities around that made those shows so good in the first place! :(
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 01:22
Samit Sarkar
Fantastic interview, Brad.
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 09:42
silvain
I've really started thinking that gamers are like battered wives. The things they are faithful to screw them over but promise to get better some time in the future. The future comes, the franchises haven't changed for the better, and gamers are still out there believing for tomorrow, drinking up whatever BS is put out there.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 14:45
akathatoneguy
Nice call, putting the "unchanged" quote with the Fallout 3 pic!
protomark's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2009 00:35
protomark
"Is UGO philosophically opposed to podcasting and personality-driven video? By no means. From everything we’ve seen from Sam and the team, this is a highly passionate group of experts with extreme savvy in developing online games content. They are just now beginning to get a sense of their new business parameters and we’re confident they will emerge with an excellent strategy going forward."

it's not that ugo is evil or anything, it's just that they sound like freaking robots.
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