| Colette B. | All PSP games to be downloads by Oct 1st? really? |
| Jim S. | That's what Rubenstein says |
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| Colette B. | wow |
| Jim S. | Apparently third party UMD games depend on the publisher, but it seems Sony expects practically the full library to appear on the PSN |
Jim S.
| Not too hard since the PSP only has five games ROFL ROFL ROFL LMAO! |
| Colette B. | well, that would please me |
Colette B.
| LOL |
| Jordan D. | haha |
Jun 1
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| Jordan D. | i won't be getting a Go until emulation is up and running again |
| Jim S. | I want a go, but I have UMDs. And I don't want to own two PSPs |
Jim S.
| I hate how Sony constantly seeks to divide and confuse its customers |
| Colette B. | Yeah, I would consider it if the library was downloadable |
Colette B.
| not otherwise |
| Jim S. | The DSi, I can understand. It doesn't divide consumers. The Go is so fucking alienating |
| Dale N. | well, if what we first heard is correct, all that shit will be downloadable |
| Colette B. | I agree with that |
Colette B.
| they need to roll out something that unifies it with the PSP fanbase |
| Dale N. | those with a lot of UMDs (I have 22) would be fuxored |
Dale N.
| but I have a couple dozen game systems, what's another |
| Jordan D. | well, they're supposed to have some sort of way for current users to get their umds in digital format for free, but idk |
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| Dale N. | that's the rumor, but i don't know how they'd do it |
| Jordan D. | me neither |
| Colette B. | right...well, I'd keep an eye on that, and if it was true I would consider getting one |
| Dale N. | I'm a gadget whore, so I'm sold. |
| Jim S. | They should say, like, "mail us the UMDs and we'll mail you a gift code" |
| Dale N. | But I like physical media, too |
| Jordan D. | the go is definitely a gadget whore's system, which is why i want one too |
| Dale N. | plus, i don't think they're dividing the psp audience |
| Jim S. | If I could get my UMDs converted to files for nothing, then yeah, I'm all about the PSP Go |
| Jordan D. | haha "let us burn your fucking games and damn them to hell, then we'll give you a code" |
| Dale N. | a PSP 2 would be, but this leaves it up to the gamer |
| Jim S. | But right now, my PSP 1000 needs an upgrade and I don't know what to do for the best. |
| Dale N. | to pick which system |
| Jim S. | It's certainly divided me. |
| Dale N. | Jim, the best option, no matter how you look at it, is a PSP 3000 and a 8GB MS Duo card |
Dale N.
| IT's already a great system, and you'll be able to d/l to your heart's content |
| Jordan D. | agreed |
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| Jim S. | Yeah, I was going to get the Dissidia PSP 3000 |
| Dale N. | I wnat a Go because it's small and portable and sexy, but the fact of the matter is that i could do the same things now on my 3000 |
| Jim S. | But I am a whore for new things |
| Dale N. | oh yeah - you should totally get that |
| Jim S. | And now I am confused |
Jim S.
| I also use my PSP as a full media device, and if the Go is better designed for that, this also is tempting |
| Colette B. | Well, i like the size |
Colette B.
| but I just want a way to be able to play the PSP games I already own on it |
| Dale N. | how would they do that? |
Jun 10
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| Colette B. | well, that is my point |
| Dale N. | i thought of some kind of internet-based verification |
Dale N.
| like, pop the UMD in |
Dale N.
| and it checks it out and says, 'yep, you own this' |
Dale N.
| but then again, you could borrow your friends' discs or whatever |
| Colette B. | I'm not going to be able to find my Japanese imports even if the current library somehow magically becomes available for download |
| Dale N. | Colette, exactly |
| Jim S. | I think the only way to truly verify is to physically give Sony your UMDs in exchange for codes |
| Dale N. | about half of my games are imports |
| Colette B. | as it is I already have to carry my DSi and PSP at the same time |
| Jim S. | But of course, that is quite an operation to perform |
| Colette B. | so now I'm supposed to carry a third system for a whole separate set of games? |
| Dale N. | I look at it as the Netbook of the PSP world |
Dale N.
| well, i'm fucked because I have to carry my DS and DSi, as the damned DSi doesn't play our review code roms |
Dale N.
| and now a PSP and a PSP Go? |
Dale N.
| here's something, though - i could see my PSP Go as a daily device, one that i'd carry everywhere |
Dale N.
| or, one that more gamers would carry everywhere |
Dale N.
| (I carry a game system everywhere anyway) |
Dale N.
| Surely they didn't make a system without thinking of who would buy it, so who are they aiming for? |
Jun 10
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| Jim S. | Gays |
| Dale N. | It did have sparkles |
| Colette B. | Well, for me it really isn't about the gadget |
| Jordan D. | i assume the kind of people who hate carrying around a bunch of games. not sure if that is specifically the people who already own a psp or not, though. also, the gays, as jim says |
| Colette B. | it's about the games |
| Jordan D. | there's always the hannah montana psp that got announced |
| Jim S. | I was one of the few people defending the PSP Go when it was first revealed. It looks more practical, which I like. |
| Colette B. | but I will admit, I load my R4 with the games I already own and take it with instead of having to carry an additional game pouch, and I love it |
Colette B.
| not having to carry the games would make a difference for me |
| Jim S. | It's smaller, the buttons can be folded away. The exposed screen is still ridiculous, but it's an improvement, and as someone who travels, I want something that's convenient to carry. |
| Jordan D. | i do the exact same thing with my psp. longer battery life, less noise, etc. |
| Jim S. | So I really do want a Go. However, I can't justify having two PSPs |
Jim S.
| It is hard to justify one sometimes. |
| Jordan D. | either way, i hope the system does well so that the PSP 2 is either all or mostly digital downloads |
| Colette B. | Dale has like, 4 PSPs |
| Dale N. | Again, I wasn't sold until I held it. It had me right away then. |
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| Dale N. | Now 3. And 4 DSs. |
| Jim S. | That's because Dale is a hoofer. |
| Colette B. | Ideally like I would like is for there to be a way for the games I own for PSP to be downloadable to the PSP Go |
Colette B.
| I doubt it |
Colette B.
| but we'll see |
| Dale N. | No, Dale is a consumer whore. |
| Colette B. | I think that's the same as being a hoofer. |
| Jim S. | If I was a rich tech whore like Dale, this would not be an issue for me. I'd buy eight PSP Gos |
| Dale N. | But say they don't. Would you buy one? |
Jun 10
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| Dale N. | No UMD to Go transfer -- would you still get one? |
| Colette B. | Depends on the games |
| Jim S. | Let me put it this way: With UMD transfer, I'd get one with little deliberation. |
| Jordan D. | i would, but not at that price. the price is a dealbreaker if there's no compatibility with my current games |
| Jim S. | Without it, I would have to think long and hard. |
| Colette B. | If there were a few titles I really wanted I'd consider it |
Colette B.
| but yes...price is a factor |
| Dale N. | I see - mind you that they'll try to release every future game as a download. Does that help in your decision. |
| Jim S. | That depends on how many games we'll see. Sony spends nearly all its time working on firmware and hardware updates and barely any on games |
Jim S.
| I am fucking sick to death of new PSPs and new firmware when I want more games |
| Jordan D. | there were a lot of great-looking games at e3, but i'm not convinced either |
| Jim S. | A new bunch are coming out of E3, sure, but beyond that? |
| Jordan D. | yeah, i don't know |
| Dale N. | So it's more about faith in the system than it is the format? |
| Jim S. | I don't know about "more," but it is a big factor. |
Jim S.
| I don't have faith in Sony when it comes to the PSP |
Jim S.
| It seems to think hardware makes the system. |
Jim S.
| No, games make the hardware. |
| Colette B. | That's exactly right -- and it doesn't. |
| Jordan D. | what sony needs to do with the Go is have a similar set up to what the iPhone has |
| Colette B. | Games make the system for me. |
| Jordan D. | tons and tons of cheap, awesome games |
| Jim S. | Sony itself proved that games > hardware when it beat the Dreamcast with the original PSX |
Jim S.
| it's sad that it's forgotten the lessons it taught the industry |
Jun 10
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| Dale N. | I'll tell you what: if they have the PSX library ready for d/l, that would help |
Dale N.
| like...more of it |
| Jordan D. | or just what japan has access to |
| Jim S. | Oh definitely |
| Dale N. | Also, if they adapt the DSiWare-ish model, that would be nice too: cheap, quick, fun games |
| Jordan D. | fuck, they have a lot of games |
| Dale N. | yep |
Dale N.
| on both the PSP and the DSi |
| Jim S. | You tell me the Oddworld games are coming to PSP and I'll start to care a bit more |
| Dale N. | But even then, you could play those games on the PSP 3000 |
| Jim S. | This is very true. |
Jim S.
| The PS3 as well, actually |
| Colette B. | The whole PSP Go model is based on pressing the gadget whore's buttons |
| Dale N. | For this year, I think there's a strong lineup: Dissidia, Soulcalibur, Little Big Planet, Gran Turismo, Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker |
Dale N.
| So many great games. And, I'm still scratching my head at the "only 5 good games" jabs |
| Jordan D. | there's also some motorstorm game. is that any good? |
| Dale N. | i have a ton of games, and there's more I want to get. It's an RPG lover's system. |
Dale N.
| Yes, Motorstorm looked very good |
| Jim S. | The trouble with the PSP is, it does have great games |
| Dale N. | Also, Resident Evil Portable |
| Jim S. | But those games are spread over what, five years? |
| Dale N. | Jim, that's fair. but this year is different, for a change |
| Jim S. | At the moment, I'm seeing a worthwhile PSP game coming out every six months. That's not good enough |
Jim S.
| I agree. But it's one year out of what will be six |
| Dale N. | and I think the pace will pick up with the lower dev costs and download-only distribution |
Jun 10
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| Jim S. | And what happens beyond this year? Will Sony give up again? Are these games coming out just to fool us into buying a new PSP, whereupon we'll be hung out to dry again? |
| Jordan D. | i really hope the lower dev costs help |
| Dale N. | Here's the thing - it used to cost too much, but now devs can have worldwide distribution of games with a click |
Dale N.
| I never felt 'hung out to dry' like I did with, say, the PS3 |
| Jim S. | Of course, that will stop the PSP Go being an option |
| Dale N. | There is always something I've been enjoying on my PSP |
Dale N.
| That's true. |
| Jim S. | Because with lower dev costs, they won't *want* to make UMDs |
Jim S.
| Which will render the 3000 obsolete |
Jim S.
| Which puts me back at square one |
| Dale N. | Right. I do see that happening. |
| Jordan D. | you know what game we are all forgetting? pixeljunk f'ing monsters |
| Dale N. | And I think Sony does, too. |
| Jim S. | Definitely. Sony is just pushing this "Go is an option" to squeeze more money out of the 3000 while it can |
| Dale N. | But I see no harm in having older game systems around to play older games |
Dale N.
| Unless you live in a closet and you have 2 inches of storage space left |
Dale N.
| hell, people still have their dreamcasts around |
| Jordan D. | (nick chester) |
| Dale N. | LOL |
Dale N.
| Now, what if those UMD games you already own and love are avaiable from day one as $2 downloads |
Dale N.
| would that change your mind? |
| Jim S. | The difference with the Dreamcast is that it's an old system. The 3000 is a new system that Sony tricked people into buying and will make obsolete |
Jim S.
| Which is a bit prickish, really |
Jim S.
| You give me the PSP library for 2 bucks apiece and I'll give Sony a lot of money |
| Dale N. | I guess so. |
| Jim S. | I can't see Sony being so generous though, of course |
Jun 10
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| Colette B. | see, I would buy a PSP Go for Pixeljunk Monsters |
Colette B.
| which sounds crazy |
Colette B.
| but that's how I feel about that game |
| Dale N. | No, that's not crazy. |
Dale N.
| Here's another observation about the PSP |
Dale N.
| it doesn't really feel like a portable - I mean, you can take it anywhere, but it has that mini-PS2 vibe |
Dale N.
| maybe it's just a tad too big |
Dale N.
| now we've got this thing that's the size of the iPhone -- so pocketable, and download anywhere games? It's pretty smart in design |
| Jordan D. | that also ties in with the games, many of which aren't suitable for a portable system |
| Jim S. | Yep. I fucking hate the old PSP design |
| Dale N. | so maybe they're dicking over current PSP customers with the UMD thing -- if you look at it this way, they almost had to do it |
| Jim S. | It's not been designed with portable gaming in mind. It was designed to look "cool" |
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| Dale N. | Right. but the Go feels like a very well designed portable game system...for once |
Dale N.
| down to the hand feel and button placement |
| Jim S. | This I agreed with the moment I saw it |
| Dale N. | Here's another thing: if you truly only have "five psp games" then getting this shoudln't be an issue, right? |
| Jim S. | I love the design. It looks goofy, but it also looks practical |
| Dale N. | if you've got a small library, I understand the hangup |
| Jim S. | Well, that was a joke. I can't remember how many I've got |
Jim S.
| Most of them are PAL though, which means I couldn't trade them in, annoyingly |
| Dale N. | oh shit, I forgot Persona PSP! |
Jun 10
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| Jim S. | I think a big factor here will be seeing just how cheap the downloadable games truly are |
| Dale N. | Too many good games. I think people are blinded by the DS. I love that system, and have so many games that it's stupid. But that doesn't make the PSP worse for having less good games. There's still a ton of great games to play. |
Dale N.
| Exactly |
| Jim S. | And I imagine right now, Sony is trying to work out what it can get away with charging |
| Dale N. | They are reasonable on the PSN with old games |
Dale N.
| I hope that carries over. They have to know that much of their library is old. |
Dale N.
| $10 will be too much for the old games. they give PS1 games away for half that. |
| Jim S. | So far, we've seen them charging up to twenty bucks for downloadable PSP games |
Jim S.
| With the cheapest being around fifteen |
| Dale N. | I think the new ones will continue to be $20 |
| Jim S. | Killzone Liberation is, I think, $15.99. I have a feeling that'll be common for older UMD games on the PSN |
| Dale N. | And to that, I say download better, older games and play them on the go: FF7, Wild Arms, Hot Shots Golf (okay, so I'm alone on that last one) |
Dale N.
| Wild Arms is $5 - that is amazing to me |
Dale N.
| I think sony has a nice portable coming up, but they have a lot to do on the backend to make this worth the transition for its customers |
Dale N.
| so, day one: who's in? |
| Jim S. | I totally agree. I love the look of it, I like the idea of a self contained system that doesn't need physical discs. However, I need to see more before I am convinced I don't need my old PSP. |
| Dale N. | Just me? |
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| Jim S. | I can't say for sure yet. At that price point, I'm wary as fuck. |
| Dale N. | I mean, I just bought a new Green Japanese 3000 about a month or so ago |
Jun 10
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| Colette B. | It depends for me what is announced game-wise by then |
| Jordan D. | depends if they have it in white |
| Colette B. | Yeah, but you buy everything |
Colette B.
| =P |
| Dale N. | I'll buy you! |
| Colette B. | HAH |
| Dale N. | While wearing the Monopoly hat! |
| Jim S. | "I'd buy that for a dollar." |
| Dale N. | *slams down cash* |
| Colette B. | Tradtionally, I hold off on new systems until I have a better idea of what games will be there for it |
Colette B.
| right now, I don't know what I get WITH the PSP Go |
| Jordan D. | it's the videogame quote that works in any situation |
| Colette B. | so I can't say I'm in on day one |
Colette B.
| if a lineup of games is announced before then |
| Jordan D. | actually, by the time the thing comes out, i'll probably just be getting a PS3 |
| Dale N. | fair enough |
| Colette B. | then, well, I would be able to say |
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Dale N.
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| Jim S. | Tell you what, I'll cut Sony a deal. Pack the PSP Go in with Talladega Nights, and they have themselves a sale. |
| Jordan D. | haha |
| Dale N. | hahah |