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I won't be buying the game, but you won't fine me bitching about it. If Capcom wants to make this game, then let them. They obviously think there's an audience for it, so as long as they try tailor the game to the consoles strengths, whatever.
Nothing wrong with it IMO. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over the prospect of Wii owners playing a game that was originally on the 360. Who cares? This guy who wrote these questions needs to find something better to write about.
Nothing wrong with it IMO. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over the prospect of Wii owners playing a game that was originally on the 360. Who cares? This guy who wrote these questions needs to find something better to write about.
You can get the full version for half the price
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrKhUJE4ymw
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Rising-Xbox-360/dp/B000F3AADE/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrKhUJE4ymw
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Rising-Xbox-360/dp/B000F3AADE/
I bought the original xbox 360 version used and i am finding it is more annoying then fun half the time.
Seriously Holmes, defending this game is a waste of time. Its not a remake, its a demake as Lightthrower just mentioned. I'm getting really annoyed by your constant attempts to shove this game is good cuz it has new stuff and waggle etc, etc.
Also... your comparison of CTYD/RE4 on the Wii with Dead Rising/RE5 on the 360 is flawed. The main difference is that Dead Rising was a first-gen title for the 360 and thus didnt utilize the full potential of the system, where RE5 is very current with being able to utilize the 360 in an overall much better way. So its logical that RE5 should look better than the original Dead Rising. HOWEVER, RE4's port on the Wii almost 2 years old and it still looks better than CTYD (which looks like an aborition of the original game that would be considered mediocre for the PS2).
Also... your comparison of CTYD/RE4 on the Wii with Dead Rising/RE5 on the 360 is flawed. The main difference is that Dead Rising was a first-gen title for the 360 and thus didnt utilize the full potential of the system, where RE5 is very current with being able to utilize the 360 in an overall much better way. So its logical that RE5 should look better than the original Dead Rising. HOWEVER, RE4's port on the Wii almost 2 years old and it still looks better than CTYD (which looks like an aborition of the original game that would be considered mediocre for the PS2).
@SephirothX:
Then don't read his articles about this game and you won't get annoyed. Don't want it? Don't buy it. Don't want to get annoyed? Don't read about it.
Boy, that was a difficult solution.
Sheesh.
Then don't read his articles about this game and you won't get annoyed. Don't want it? Don't buy it. Don't want to get annoyed? Don't read about it.
Boy, that was a difficult solution.
Sheesh.
I bought the original and i loved it. But as far as this thing bout remakes or ports or whatever IMO its better for gaming as a whole that as many people get to enjoy these games as possible, after all isn't that what gaming is all about having fun no matter what system the game happens to be on.
I played the original Dead Rising and thought it was ok. This version looks to be promising, but I will wait till it comes out to judge it. As for removed features, I didn't care much for photography, nor did I make use of jumping too often. Hopefully, it won't end up sucking.
According to John B there can be no bad opinions, only good ones.
And those giant zombies look AWFUL, they look like RE2 zombies.
But keep on with the good fight Holmes.
And those giant zombies look AWFUL, they look like RE2 zombies.
But keep on with the good fight Holmes.
Holmes, as a Wii owner who never had the chance to own Dead Rising on the 360, I'm looking forward to this. I really enjoyed what I played of DR, and I hope that I will have a similarly free form combat experience on the Wii. I appreciate your defense articles. I have a feeling that DR: CTYD isn't going to be a bad game, but the fanboy shitstorm around it is like a mini Killzone 2. Anyway, since when do downgraded graphics mean anything? I'll play a game as long as it's fun.
No, the point is that if he's bitching about articles for DR:CYTD, then he is under no obligation to READ them! If he knows or suspects that the article is annoying, continues to read it anyway, and complains about how annoying it is, then DON'T READ THE FSCKING ARTICLE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
How hard is that to understand?
How hard is that to understand?
Jonathan, you shouldn't respond to stupid blog posts on other sites when the other site OBVIOUSLY doesn't really care about the game. It's obvious from $5 that Capcom chose the wrong game to remake (yes, remake... new controls, stylistic choices, etc) to make this guy happy.
You know, this was supposed to be just a simple news post about the giant zombies, and then before I knew it, I totally got carried away.
I'm a nerd like that.
I'm a nerd like that.
You're kidding yourself if you believe this is anything other than a quick cash in on the Wii's success. It's a shame really that Capcom only seem to want to port alot of older titles over rather than give a game properly designed for the Wii a good chance.
@ Scroll- I don't blame Capcom for not risking another new IP made specifically for the Wii. They lost a lot of money on Zack and Wiki...
Also, if this if DR:CTYD is just a cheap cash in, why did they add so much new stuff to the game, like new enemies, modes, weapons, outfits, etc?
Kyo- Thanks for the encouragement, and I agree about the giant zombies looking like they're from Resident Evil 2. Thing is, I still love Resident Evil 2, in all its low-tech glory.
If Capcom came out with a $40 remake of Dead Rising that controlled like RE4, was packed with new features, and threw it on PS1, I'd also be excited about that.
Also, if this if DR:CTYD is just a cheap cash in, why did they add so much new stuff to the game, like new enemies, modes, weapons, outfits, etc?
Kyo- Thanks for the encouragement, and I agree about the giant zombies looking like they're from Resident Evil 2. Thing is, I still love Resident Evil 2, in all its low-tech glory.
If Capcom came out with a $40 remake of Dead Rising that controlled like RE4, was packed with new features, and threw it on PS1, I'd also be excited about that.
@vonneuton
No this is not a remake. Let me tell you what is a remake.
Let's take Final Fantasy (the original) for example. It recently came out on the PSP for the 20th anniversary and the remake included: UPGRADED graphics, UPGRADED localisation, UPGRADED soundtrack, new extra content (Music player/Beastiary) and also 5 NEW dungeons.
Let's look at DR Wii now. Graphics were DOWNGRADED, soundtrack was probably DOWNGRADED, gameplay was REMOVED, polygons on screen were DOWNGRADED. You know what? That's all NORMAL, because this is a port on a system INFERIOR to the 360. When we do PORTS here to the PS2 from a Wii game we must DOWNGRADE it to keep the framerate up, same thing with DR Wii.
There, i hope this explains it PLAINLY for everyone.
No this is not a remake. Let me tell you what is a remake.
Let's take Final Fantasy (the original) for example. It recently came out on the PSP for the 20th anniversary and the remake included: UPGRADED graphics, UPGRADED localisation, UPGRADED soundtrack, new extra content (Music player/Beastiary) and also 5 NEW dungeons.
Let's look at DR Wii now. Graphics were DOWNGRADED, soundtrack was probably DOWNGRADED, gameplay was REMOVED, polygons on screen were DOWNGRADED. You know what? That's all NORMAL, because this is a port on a system INFERIOR to the 360. When we do PORTS here to the PS2 from a Wii game we must DOWNGRADE it to keep the framerate up, same thing with DR Wii.
There, i hope this explains it PLAINLY for everyone.
@ Lightthrower- I liked Bionic Commando more on the NES than I did in the arcade, even though the NES "remake" had DOWNGRADED graphics.
Capcom has a long history of remaking their games, for the better, on less powerful systems. I'm hoping they pull it off again here.
Capcom has a long history of remaking their games, for the better, on less powerful systems. I'm hoping they pull it off again here.
DR:CTYD kind of reminds me of the GTA: Blablabla City Stories games. Known enviroments, different game. Looking forward to it, just to power up my Wii at least once a year.
@Holmes
Never said they were not good, just saying that you should use the proper term in your articles from now on.
Porting - Definition: Programmers will sometimes port their applications between different Operating Systems or hardware. Perhaps from Apple to Windows or Windows to Linux.
Never said they were not good, just saying that you should use the proper term in your articles from now on.
Porting - Definition: Programmers will sometimes port their applications between different Operating Systems or hardware. Perhaps from Apple to Windows or Windows to Linux.
I'd hazard a guess that they are compensating the lose of other features from the 360 version, new enemies compensate for overall lack of enemies to fight at any given time. While clearly alot of the story missions being removed for basic boss battles instead of the larger scale environment missions. Etc etc.
Thing is I think they could probably pull off the look and feel of DR on the Wii if they put alot more development time into the game. The Wii is definitely capable of more, y'see I'm not bashing the Wii, I just think this is a lazy port.
Thing is I think they could probably pull off the look and feel of DR on the Wii if they put alot more development time into the game. The Wii is definitely capable of more, y'see I'm not bashing the Wii, I just think this is a lazy port.
Lightthrower- To me, a remake is...
1) Anything created from the outside source material that...
2) Intentionally alters that source material in the process of it's creation.
A port is when something is "transported" from one console to another, while attempting to leave as much of the original material intact. A remake, on the other hand, doesn't even try to do that. A remake is something that from the outset is made with the intention of not being true to the source material.
In the world of film, Gus Van Sant's Psycho was sort of a "port", in that it kept all the original dialog, camera angles, and edits of the original film completely intact. That's different from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre film remake, which ditched just about everything from the original other than the Texas, the chainsaw, and the massacre.
@ Scroll - I don't think you're Wii bashing. I just think that you might be missing the fact that Capcom might be trying to improve Dead Rising with this remake, and not just compensating.
And where did you hear that a lot of the story missions were cut from the game? I read that they were all in there, but now they are all individually timed, instead of having the 72 hour time limit.
1) Anything created from the outside source material that...
2) Intentionally alters that source material in the process of it's creation.
A port is when something is "transported" from one console to another, while attempting to leave as much of the original material intact. A remake, on the other hand, doesn't even try to do that. A remake is something that from the outset is made with the intention of not being true to the source material.
In the world of film, Gus Van Sant's Psycho was sort of a "port", in that it kept all the original dialog, camera angles, and edits of the original film completely intact. That's different from the Texas Chainsaw Massacre film remake, which ditched just about everything from the original other than the Texas, the chainsaw, and the massacre.
@ Scroll - I don't think you're Wii bashing. I just think that you might be missing the fact that Capcom might be trying to improve Dead Rising with this remake, and not just compensating.
And where did you hear that a lot of the story missions were cut from the game? I read that they were all in there, but now they are all individually timed, instead of having the 72 hour time limit.
Holmes, sticking up for the weak and oppressed. Truly a man of great honor and dignity.
Didn't stop me from laughing at the video. "Three zombies standing still in the middle of the aisle! GAH! Smash 'em with a shopping cart before it's too late!" Ha ha!
Didn't stop me from laughing at the video. "Three zombies standing still in the middle of the aisle! GAH! Smash 'em with a shopping cart before it's too late!" Ha ha!
Your suggestions on why they cut basically everything out is rooting to "money", but in fact it's just laziness. I don't get how you can downgrade a port of RE4, when RE4 looks 10x better on the same system.
I completely agree with everything Lightthrower said, although you do make some good points, Holmes.
Also, Gus Van Sant's Psycho was awful. Like this game "looks" like it will be. Also, how did you like Bionic Commando for the NES when it had less options, and no extra training missions?
I completely agree with everything Lightthrower said, although you do make some good points, Holmes.
Also, Gus Van Sant's Psycho was awful. Like this game "looks" like it will be. Also, how did you like Bionic Commando for the NES when it had less options, and no extra training missions?
Magnalon- I'm not saying I like Bionic Commando for the NES more than Bionic Commandp Rearmed, the "enhanced port" on the 360/PSN. I'm saying I like the NES Bionic Commando more than the original Bionic Commando, which was an arcade game.
That make better sense now?
That make better sense now?
Not at all, my good man.
And trust me, if you and Lightthrower are right, if this game turns out to be crap, I'll be the first one to let you know. After playing the frightfully uninspired Soul Calibur Legends and the less than stellar Castlevania Judgment, I'm as tired as anyone of 3rd parties releasing watered down versions fo their hit games on the Wii.
And trust me, if you and Lightthrower are right, if this game turns out to be crap, I'll be the first one to let you know. After playing the frightfully uninspired Soul Calibur Legends and the less than stellar Castlevania Judgment, I'm as tired as anyone of 3rd parties releasing watered down versions fo their hit games on the Wii.
Really the original DR didn't even look that great. For being more of a 1st generation 360 title though it looked pretty good. The problem between comparing RE4 on the Wii and DR is that DR has so much more shit to do in it and is not as linear of a game. You have to be able to go anywhere at anytime in DR. So they could put more into the graphics on RE4.
elstevo - I hear what your saying, but really, did you actually feel like you could go anywhere at anytime in DR, or did you feel like you had to do tons of escort missions simultaneously in a limited amount of time, then make it back to the office for the big meeting with Brad and Jesse, while wading through tons of generally defenseless zombies in the meantime, all under penalty of death?
That's how I felt about DR once I found out that you can't get the "real ending" or some of the cooler stuff in the game unless you make it to overtime mode, which means never losing a mission or missing an appointment.
The Wii version, on the other hand, allows you to make it to overtime mode no matter what, and lets you choose what "missions" you want to do at any time. So in that way, you have more freedom to do what you want.
You can still fail the missions, and they are all still individually timed, so you still have to try, but the need to follow the in-game schedule isn't as punishing as it was in the original.
For me, that's a good thing.
That's how I felt about DR once I found out that you can't get the "real ending" or some of the cooler stuff in the game unless you make it to overtime mode, which means never losing a mission or missing an appointment.
The Wii version, on the other hand, allows you to make it to overtime mode no matter what, and lets you choose what "missions" you want to do at any time. So in that way, you have more freedom to do what you want.
You can still fail the missions, and they are all still individually timed, so you still have to try, but the need to follow the in-game schedule isn't as punishing as it was in the original.
For me, that's a good thing.
I can't wait for your impressions of this game Jonathan, do you knoe when you will be getting your review copy?
Regardless of whether it is a port or a remake, they obviously altered the game and hopefully to the better, we all have to wait and see. But, i have to agree with Holmes, this trailer has me by the balls.
*Analitic never played the original DR*
*Analitic never played the original DR*
In all honesty I wasn't going to get this game prior to reading this article. I had heard only poor things about this game. It looked (even the original on the 360) like a B rate version of "Resident Evil 4" meets upcoming "Madworld", graphics or no.
But this is probably one of the best things I have ever read. It was entertaining to read, your tone was absolutely great, the article changed my perception about it and I'm not going to knock it until I see the reviews.
But this is probably one of the best things I have ever read. It was entertaining to read, your tone was absolutely great, the article changed my perception about it and I'm not going to knock it until I see the reviews.
@ Nebnosneh- I should be getting my review copy next week. Nick Chester, a huge fan of the original game, may be joining me in the review as well.
@ Analitic and Cadtalfryn- Wow! Thank you both so much! When you go out on a limb and admit that you're hopeful for a game that tons of people love to hate, you expect everyone to just point and laugh.
Thanks for not pointing and laughing. :)
@ Analitic and Cadtalfryn- Wow! Thank you both so much! When you go out on a limb and admit that you're hopeful for a game that tons of people love to hate, you expect everyone to just point and laugh.
Thanks for not pointing and laughing. :)
I don't think that Hitman video is valid, because those people are just walking around, and when you start shooting, most just walk faster off screen, while a few token ones either lay dead or crouch in terror.
The thing with RE4 is that it is a linear game, that never has more than 32-35 enemies in a given area, and only a couple areas actually have that many.RE5 might have more, but isn't it also a linear game?
Dead Rising on the 360 is a sandbox game, with hundreds of enemies in on area. This is a large scale game being ported to a significantly less powerful system (remember, just one CPU core this time) versus a moderate scale game being ported to a stronger system (small scale would be a fighting game). RE4 is not, and has never been, a fair comparison. It doesn't matter how many think it's valid, it's not going to make it so.
Dead Rising Wii could likely have better graphics, but as good as RE4? Not unless the areas were smaller and there were even fewer zombies (but not as few as those early screens indicated.
The thing with RE4 is that it is a linear game, that never has more than 32-35 enemies in a given area, and only a couple areas actually have that many.RE5 might have more, but isn't it also a linear game?
Dead Rising on the 360 is a sandbox game, with hundreds of enemies in on area. This is a large scale game being ported to a significantly less powerful system (remember, just one CPU core this time) versus a moderate scale game being ported to a stronger system (small scale would be a fighting game). RE4 is not, and has never been, a fair comparison. It doesn't matter how many think it's valid, it's not going to make it so.
Dead Rising Wii could likely have better graphics, but as good as RE4? Not unless the areas were smaller and there were even fewer zombies (but not as few as those early screens indicated.
Jonny, you or Capcom really can't use Zack & Wiki as a marker for Wii's capacity for original titles because even though the game was good, it was a total disconnect in market.
First off, the aesthetic of the game and the market to which the game was aimed were completely in opposition of each other. It was way too difficult for little kids; and its aesthetic was simply unappealing to the people with the threshold for such tough adventure games.
Also, the game was a point-and-click puzzle game. Released in 2007. This is one of the most niche markets out there, so there was no way it'd achieve breakthrough success via word of mouth. Only marketing would help out--and the game had none whatsoever.
I contend that it was a big investment for Capcom because it simply wasn't. Its advertising budget was about a tenth of what Lost Planet had, and all of Z&W's marketing was spent in Japan.
Also, come on--look at the game. There's no way anyone (including Capcom) could deny it was probably the lowest-budgeted project that year.
Basically, Capcom's blowing smoke up the Wii's proverbial ass. They're releasing half-assed ports and/or extremely low-budget games with no marketing; and when said games fail to be blockbusters they throw a hissy fit, scream that Nintendo's strangling their market, and take their ball and go home.
First off, the aesthetic of the game and the market to which the game was aimed were completely in opposition of each other. It was way too difficult for little kids; and its aesthetic was simply unappealing to the people with the threshold for such tough adventure games.
Also, the game was a point-and-click puzzle game. Released in 2007. This is one of the most niche markets out there, so there was no way it'd achieve breakthrough success via word of mouth. Only marketing would help out--and the game had none whatsoever.
I contend that it was a big investment for Capcom because it simply wasn't. Its advertising budget was about a tenth of what Lost Planet had, and all of Z&W's marketing was spent in Japan.
Also, come on--look at the game. There's no way anyone (including Capcom) could deny it was probably the lowest-budgeted project that year.
Basically, Capcom's blowing smoke up the Wii's proverbial ass. They're releasing half-assed ports and/or extremely low-budget games with no marketing; and when said games fail to be blockbusters they throw a hissy fit, scream that Nintendo's strangling their market, and take their ball and go home.
@Holmes
I would never point a finger and laugh at a bald guy, that shit is just wrong :P
Seriously love your features and vid, keep it up old man, but would just like to add that i think the second reviewer for the game should be someone who has not played the original DR on 360...is there anyone at the Dtoid HQ that fits that criteria?
Trust me on this one - we need a clean slate
I would never point a finger and laugh at a bald guy, that shit is just wrong :P
Seriously love your features and vid, keep it up old man, but would just like to add that i think the second reviewer for the game should be someone who has not played the original DR on 360...is there anyone at the Dtoid HQ that fits that criteria?
Trust me on this one - we need a clean slate
@ Lord of Knight- OK, if the Hitman video isn't valid, then we could go with Onechanbara: Bikini Zombie Slayers, a Wii game with a super-small budget that can fit tons of zombies on screen at a time. I haven't counted the exact amount, but it's definitely more than DR:CTYD has, and they look a little better than DR:CTYD's as well.
As for your second point, from what I know DR:CRTYD does have slightly smaller, claustrophobia inducing areas, and is much more linear. It's not really a Sandbox game anymore.
@ Novikaine- All I'm going by is Capcom's own statements about how much money they lost on Zack and Wiki. I agree that they were crazy for thinking a game of that genre, no matter how great it is, could succeed in 2007, but it is what it is.
@ Analitic- Out of all the staff has any interest in DR:CTYD, I've probably played the least of the original game. I never got to "overtime" mode, but have otherwise played a fair amount of the game (5-8 hours). With that little amount of playtime under my belt, I'll be taking the stance of the "never played or didn't like Dead Rising" side.
Nick Chester, on the other hand, played the hell out of the original, so he'll be taking the "I love Dead Rising" side.
That's probably as close to covering all our bases as we can get.
As for your second point, from what I know DR:CRTYD does have slightly smaller, claustrophobia inducing areas, and is much more linear. It's not really a Sandbox game anymore.
@ Novikaine- All I'm going by is Capcom's own statements about how much money they lost on Zack and Wiki. I agree that they were crazy for thinking a game of that genre, no matter how great it is, could succeed in 2007, but it is what it is.
@ Analitic- Out of all the staff has any interest in DR:CTYD, I've probably played the least of the original game. I never got to "overtime" mode, but have otherwise played a fair amount of the game (5-8 hours). With that little amount of playtime under my belt, I'll be taking the stance of the "never played or didn't like Dead Rising" side.
Nick Chester, on the other hand, played the hell out of the original, so he'll be taking the "I love Dead Rising" side.
That's probably as close to covering all our bases as we can get.
No matter how good or bad this game can be, I just think they are trying to sell a game to a market that isn't going to eat it up like they hope it will. If they really think the first Dead Rising was "under appreciated" (which I think is bullshit, it sold over a million copies and is loved by A LOT of people, myself included), then they would've released the original on the PS3, where I believe the demand to be much higher than for the Wii. I wish them the best of luck (Capcom fucking rules), but they really dropped the ball with this one.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. Only time will tell.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not. Only time will tell.
When I bought my Wii, preordered, and laughed at the people standing in line who wouldn't get one, I was ALREADY aware of what so many people should've figured out by now, and honestly was apparent to me throughout the Gamecube years.
You buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. As I look at my shelf or a release list, the main good games for the Wii are made by Nintendo. I am waiting for some third party to do something that shocks and amazes me with the Wii and it's potential - but it just isn't happening, and the way DR:Chop looks I won't see it from capcom. But it's okay, and I'm not even mad at Cacpocm, because they've had the foresight to release Street Fighter IV, complete with ONLINE, to the PC. And this is happening with the other games for the Xbox/PS3. Ninty's the only console with a solid in-house studio these days - both a strength and a weakness.
You buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games. As I look at my shelf or a release list, the main good games for the Wii are made by Nintendo. I am waiting for some third party to do something that shocks and amazes me with the Wii and it's potential - but it just isn't happening, and the way DR:Chop looks I won't see it from capcom. But it's okay, and I'm not even mad at Cacpocm, because they've had the foresight to release Street Fighter IV, complete with ONLINE, to the PC. And this is happening with the other games for the Xbox/PS3. Ninty's the only console with a solid in-house studio these days - both a strength and a weakness.
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