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Defending virtual rape: Not the same as condoning it photo

This week, William Usher of the Web site Cinema Blend wrote a rather scathing editorial aimed at the Destructoid community, as well as the community at News 4 Gamers. The article concerned reactions to a story I had written, in which Japanese "rape" games were getting renamed "platinum" games, following the controversy over RapeLay, which has been recently banned due to the outrage it caused when it was found for sale on Amazon.

A number of N4G and Destructoid users criticized the banning of RapeLay, which Cinema Blend has in turn used as a jumping point to argue that those same users must logically enjoy the virtual rape of women, since you cannot defend something without liking the idea of it.

No. 

This is obviously an untrue, and very unfair statement. I would defend RapeLay's right to exist, but it's not because I have any investment, or indeed interest, in virtual rape. Defending something's right to exist has never been about condoning that thing's existence. Come with me as I explain how one can justify RapeLay being sold without justifying the act of rape.

Before we begin, let me first reiterate that I do not condone rape in any way, shape or form. The more female friends you have, the more rape victims you know. It sounds rather insensitive to say such a thing, and that's not what I'm driving at. What I'm saying is that sexual abuse is such a prevalent problem, more than you might like to admit, and that there's a very good chance that more than one person you know has been raped in her lifetime, even if you don't know it.

Rape is horrific. It is one of the most vile acts one can consider, and many people in the West seem to place it above murder in terms of how evil the act is. At least in terms of fiction, I can agree with that. Hannibal Lecter, a serial killer, is considered suave and charming, becoming an archetypal villain and an almost lovable figure. Of course, it's never implied he's a rapist. If he was, I doubt many women would find him quite so charming. 

The point of all this is to establish that I am not a fan of rape, even in a fictional setting. The fact that Alex de Large from A Clockwork Orange happens to be a rapist makes him a truly irredeemable character to me. The scenes in which he and his Droogs break into a married couple's home and rape the man's wife in front of him is a disturbing scene. So disturbing were the scenes in A Clockwork Orange, in fact, that Stanley Kubrick's film was banned for many years before finally seeing the legal light of day. I wonder if William Usher would consider A Clockwork Orange's acceptance as a victory for freedom of expression, or society condoning rape and "a bit of the old ultra violence."

This is what the RapeLay argument is all about. The freedom to do something, whether people approve of it or not. My creed has always been that if it harms nobody, one should be able to do what they like, ingest what they like, say what they like. Take, for example, America's precious freedom of speech. It's a glorious thing -- often misinterpreted and misused by Americans -- that protects the right of any individual to say what they want, provided they're not causing direct harm to others. America has granted free speech to its citizens, but does that mean it condones the things that people say as a result of it? Of course not. 

Fred Phelps is a perfect example. The man's a lunatic. He has said outrageously bigoted and offensive things about homosexuals, about other religions, and about soldiers who have died in the Iraq war. However, the American government allows him to say these things. That does not mean that the American government approves or agrees with what he's saying. It means that Phelps has a right to express his own personal opinion, and everybody else has the right to express theirs right back at him. It's a beautiful system, and one I will support, even as a non-American, until the day I die. 

"What’s so sad about this turn of events is that games like Illusion’s RapeLay shouldn’t even exist," argues Usher. "The purpose of the game sees players assuming the role of a rapist and brutally raping select women and underage girls. The game ends if any of the women the player rapes happen to get pregnant. Could there be anything worse?"

The problem here is that Usher wants a game to be removed from existence because he finds it personally offensive. If there's one thing Usher and I can agree on, it's the fact that a game involving the rape of underage women is morally and intellectually disgusting. I won't contest that. However, just because I find something disgusting, that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist, and that doesn't mean people should not be able to create games based upon the subject of rape if they so desire. 

Surely Usher, a man writing for a predominantly movie-based Web site, can see that banning videogames or films just because some people find them offensive is wrong, and a dangerous slippery slope. Why, if we ban RapeLay, sure we should ban A Clockwork Orange once again, due to the callous nature of Alex de Large's rape scene. Bret Easton Ellis' American Psycho novel is chock-full of casual rape references and some absolutely disturbing examples of violence towards women. Should we ban that? When does the banning end? When we ban one form of art or entertainment, we then make an easy case against all forms of art and entertainment. 

I won't deny some jokes were made in the N4G and Destructoid threads, where people indeed stated that they approve of rape. Of course, they were jokes, not serious statements, and should be taken as such. As far as serious arguments in favor of RapeLay, I haven't seen too much I disagree with. A few mentioned the differences between American and Japanese standards, and how Americans want to impose their morality on others. We've seen so many examples of this that it can't be refuted. People like Leland Yee and Arnold Schwarzenegger has tried multiple times to impose their beliefs on others when it comes to videogames, and failed thanks to the Constitution. 

"We can't just censor it because it hurts your feelings," argues N4G user thedukeofkna. "If you don't like the idea, don't play the game. That seems simple enough doesn't it?"

I think that's a fair statement. However, one other user replied to that with the statement, "So, you like the idea of raping women?" This pretty much typifies the argument that William Usher uses, this convenient jump in logic that equates defending something's right to exist with approving of that thing. The original commenter never said he liked the idea of RapeLay, he simply said that banning it because others don't like the idea is wrong. It is wrong. 

The N4G community and I don't exactly get along. In fact, most of their users tend to hate my guts and I tend to laugh at them when they say ludicrous things about Destructoid. In this case, however, I am seeing a lot of statements that I agree with, and a sensible attitude toward censorship that I find overall encouraging. Neither the N4G community or the Destructoid are misogynistic women-haters, as William Usher dismayingly states. We hate censorship, and understand that even if we don't like something, we have to accept it so that the things we do like will enjoy similar acceptance.

Those who believe that RapeLay should be banned are what I like to call hypocrites-in-waiting, because you know that as soon as something they value comes under fire for being "tasteless" and "offensive," they will jump right in to defend it. The point is, if you value freedom of expression and of speech, you have to be prepared to defend every form of expression and speech, not just the parts you like. Being a true believer in free speech means having the integrity to stand up for the rights of that which you don't agree with.

No one person or entity should be deciding what we can and cannot enjoy. That is for us to decide, providing it does not involve the harm of real people. I have never had the inclination to play a rape game, and I doubt I ever will. However, if someone wants to make a game about rape or worse, they should have the freedom to do so and let the market decide whether or not it accepts such forms of entertainment. We alone, both as individuals and as a free market, should make our own decisions about what we want to enjoy. It is not for me, William Usher, nor the government to rightfully decide what people play, watch and talk about.

Rape disgusts me. Rape games disgust me. But they have a right to be here, and I'll defend that right.


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TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:02
TewDee
Hellooooo NSFW image.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:04
TewDee
And I say that in concern for other people who read at work or between classes at school.
jamBOT's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:11
jamBOT
"If you value freedom of expression and of speech, you have to be prepared to defend every form of expression and speech, not just the parts you like."

Yes -- very much agree. Very well spoken. I like you. Thank you for stating it so clearly, because "freedom of expression" really IS the point.
L0cky's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:12
L0cky
well think about it , if someone plays gta or call of duty does it mean he is a someone who goes on the streets and kill of random people m offcourse not

Banning rape games is about the same as germany tries at the moment with banning violent games.

yust because someone plays a game doesnt mean he or she will behave the same in real life.

you can argue about bad taste.
gatorsax2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:14
gatorsax2010
Serious Jim is Serious.

Serious Jim also makes some excellent points. It's like that quote everyone attributes to Voltaire (even though it was Evelyn Beatrice Hall): "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Rape is a disgusting, awful, horrible crime, and people who makes games glorifying it are disgusting, awful, horrible people. But it's their right to do that, whether you like it or not.
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:16
xe-cute
Yeah, we need more Paedophilia games too!

Such as a one where we can play-role as a catholic priest and touch up little boys for points/score.

Not that in real life I am interested in little boys, as that disgusts me obviously!


Thank god for UK law!!!!! Oops, I mean 2nd Amendment.. Oops.. The Church oops... WTF?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:16
Jim Sterling
TewDee: I didn't think it was so bad, but I realize now that thing could have been a nipple. Cheerfully changed the header.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:18
Dexter345
I completely agree, Jim. There is a double standard among gamers, even. Games about mass murder, extortion, and all sorts of otherwise illegal and immoral things have people defending them unconditionally, but rape or ephebophilia are automatically grounds for banning.

My stance is that, like you said, nobody is getting hurt, so it has a right to exist. Wanting to ban RapeLay or any other rape game is like wanting to ban two consenting adults from engaging in rape fantasy. While we're banning rape fantasy, why not ban other deviant sexual activity, like bondage, S&M, furries, anal sex, oral sex, gay sex, and anything other than straight missionary between married couples?
BlaspheMerius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:19
BlaspheMerius
I have to say that I stand behind Dtoid on this issue, even as a girl. Video games cannot create violence and rape or even love where it does not already exist as a capability in someones heart.

Playing a game and fantasizing about something is completely different from being willing to act on your own fantasies. Not to mention that women have more rape fantasies than men do.

People attack Japan for allowing this kind of material to exist, just because they were raped or taken advantage of when they were younger, but the game or any game nothing to do with it. Anyone who has a problem with things like that needs to look to their own house and getting it in order instead. What's the point of going after fantasies in other countries if you're not doing enough to protect the millions of girls and women subjected to violence and rape in your own?

I would never own nor play this game, but I will not condone censorship in any fashion. Ideas are just air until someone does something good or bad with them, but that's not up to the idea, is it?
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:19
falinter
HERE HERE!
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:19
RIMoonlight
Wow... very few times have I been offended by such a piece, what makes it even worse is the fact that they directly target our communities for no real reason.
But, excellent write-up Jim. Rape games are morally reprehensible, but there's no reason they shouldn't exist. They have a right, just like any other movie or book or other form of expression.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:21
Chad Concelmo
Awesome, Jim! Nice job. :)
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:21
PappaDukes
Whoa! What happen to the NSFW image!? Damn that was hawt.
phantomile's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:21
phantomile
What's this? A Jim Sterling article that ISN'T sarcastic? Madness!

But yes, I agree with you completely.
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:22
Crunshii
"Defending something's right to exist has never been about condoning that thing's existence."

"If you value freedom of expression and of speech, you have to be prepared to defend every form of expression and speech, not just the parts you like."

jesus friggin christ jim... you sound like the next Wise Apostle return of Jesus Christ with words of wisdom. You... you... like totally blew all my body hair away.

/tipshishatoffinrespect
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:22
xe-cute
Thank Fcuk for Lolicon! hehe.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:22
DaedHead8
How many times must we make this argument before the right people listen. Every time I see this argument being made, the sane and logical people all nod their heads and the rest of the group just says, "Well yeah, but rape is BAD." I'm getting sick of it.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:24
TewDee
Alright, finished reading it and it was some good stuff, and totally true. I think the example of out First Amendment was a pretty good comparison since it's totally true.
Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:25
Super Drybones
It's everything or nothing, you can't pick and choose what should be banned and what shouldn't.
Rapists are some of the worse scum on the Earth and the game premise makes me throw up a little, but I will defend the companies right to make it till my last breath.
forgot my password's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:27
forgot my password
good article, man. DIs Dat TRU shit
i've played rapelay and some other games where you have to stalk the girl blah blah but every time i played the games, in my head, i always thought "this is dumb as fuck" then laugh about it cause it just seems really retarded. fantasy is one thing and reality is another.
btw I F*CKING HATE YOU JIM STERLING, B*TCH!!
mario actually's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:28
mario actually
Jim being right again.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:28
Jumbo
"Neither the N4G community or the Destructoid are misogynistic women-haters"

Dude. If you constantly pretend to be a misogynistic woman-hater as a joke, don't all of a sudden get "dismayed" when someone isn't hip to your hilariously post-modern sense of irony. Just because you don't mean it doesn't mean you didn't say it. Man up and take your lumps if you're going to play around with politically incorrect shock-humor all the time. It's like you go out of your way to be offensive all the time and then you're shocked when people get offended. I don't get it.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:29
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
Couldn't agree more, but it's hard to win an argument against someone who will just respond the same line every time, no matter what logical argument their confronted with.
forgot my password's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:31
forgot my password
Super Drybones-"Rapists are some of the worse scum on the Earth" i think murderers/suicide(they kill then them self) are the scum of the earth
Droll's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:32
Droll
Please do not take the following comment the wrong way; I think this discussion is fascinating, and important for pushing our understanding of what can and can't be done in games.
Why do we participate in and enjoy virtual murder, but not virtual rape?
We've all heard the virtual murder simulator argument to describe how games teach players real life violent skills as well as alter their views of the world. Why is Virtual Rape somehow different? Is Virtual Rape unacceptable whereas Virtual Murder is fine and good? We enjoy performing the act of murder in games. We do it all the time. Is that virtual act trivial compared to the virtual rape?
Both actions, in reality, are reprehensible. But virtual killing is the lifeblood of our medium. How is virtual murder different than virtual rape?
It's a little off topic, to be sure, but I'd love to see where it goes.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:33
Jim Sterling
Jumbo:

I wouldn't be dismayed if someone called ME a woman-hater. I'd laugh at their retarded inability to understand sarcasm, slap them on the ass and tell them get back into the kitchen.

However, nobody said *I* was a woman hater. Someone said the Dtoid community and the N4G community were woman haters for their comments. I've nothing to be "dismayed" about because I wasn't the one being criticized by Cinema Blend. You even quoted that in your little attempt to avenge your feminist friends. You failed though, because you attempted to invent my agenda and attacked that rather than find something real to attack. Nice try, mate, but not luck.
ShadowKirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:33
ShadowKirby
I somewhat agree with you Jim but the comparison between Rapelay and A Clockwork Orange or American Psycho makes me somewhat uncomfortable. Those two movie are really well done and deep and they speak about a lot more than rape but Rapelay is just focusing on the act of rape and not in some condemning light. But like I said, I do agree with you. It's far-fetched to call Destructoid and N4G misogynistic(although some idiots are, so is the internet) and rape lovers.

-"I don't agree with what you said but I shall defend your right to say it"-

That pretty much sums it up.
Havoc Fang's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:38
Havoc Fang
"I disagree with what you have said, but I will defend to my death your right to say it" is a useful quote.

Rape games don't disgust me anymore. I wouldn't interact with them, positively or negatively, but I wouldn't say they are silk filth. As long as nobody was ACTUALLY harmed while, or due to, making it ("I did it because videogames" doesn't count). Fetishfap happens, sometimes depressingly.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:40
CocoJambo
Many women fantasize about rape and they won't admit it because it breaks the fun. It is statistically proven that 1 out of 2 people enjoy rape.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:41
Jumbo
@Droll

Virtual murder in video games is actually pretty rare. Usually, the situation is presented as virtual self-defense or virtual war. And usually it involves twitchy eye-hand-coordination challenges that are inherently fun. Virtual murder in say, Fallout 3 or Oblivion was not fun for me at all. And even just plain old virtual sex in GTA IV, Mass Effect and Fable 2 were not what I would call highlights of those games. There was no skill involved.
Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:42
Super Drybones
@forgot my password
I was very careful with my wording as I said "some of the worse". But arguing semantics doesn't solve anything and only pisses people off and delays a resolution.
EightBitMav's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:42
EightBitMav
@Droll I think it partially has to do with how desensitized America has become, and with what acts we condone anyway.

For example, war is a bloody conflict with murders occuring en masse...yet, we've gotten used to the idea of a man taking another mans life. It was taught in our schools, and murder can (in certain cases) be seen as a good thing (Oh man, the Punisher just killed the drug-dealing murderer bad guy!! Yay!) However, rape has never had a positive twist on it. Rape's always been a bad thing in our eyes...a horrid reminder of our animal instincts. That being said, as we grow desensitized, it's my opinon that we'll constantly find a scapegoat to blame for our problems. People know we've become desensitized to murder, so they'll go out of their way to prevent us from FURTHER becoming animals by attempting to stop rape from becoming acceptable.

"The times, they are a changin'..."


(And no, dammit, I do not condone rape. It's horrid, but censorship attempts need to be reeled in)
leary's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:44
leary
I'm sick of this RapeLay crap getting as much exposure as it has, but this is one of the few articles on it that I appreciate and actually says something worth saying. Of course, because of how people are, no matter how much sense this makes it isn't going to change the minds of anyone like this Usher character. Those dirty, misogynistic pedophiles will say anything to get out of a jam, you know.
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:46
xe-cute
I remember I used to wind up Christian gamers playing FPS games asking "Would God approve of all them head-shots?". I hope you repent at church this Sunday.
tgammet's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:54
tgammet
Fantastically put. Surprisingly mature :P
BlaspheMerius's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:54
BlaspheMerius
@EightBitMav I'm a little tired of people constantly saying things are due to how desensitized we are as a people. I used to even think it myself, but now I think it's bull. Humanity has always been desensitized and gotten their rocks off in some strange or crude way since the beginning. It's a fact.
Really I think the issue at hand is the over-sensitization of our world. There's a billion different advocacy groups for a billion different causes and many of them even over lap and it's always about how they have to make everyone think about their own issue, even if what they fight against falls into a grey area once, because it goes against them, it's wrong/bad/evil.
People as a whole need to lighten up and get their priorities straight before rushing out to the next crusade.
Masamune_Shadow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:55
Masamune_Shadow
Cool Story Bro (b")b
TheStripe's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:55
TheStripe
This reminds me of the whole Pro-Choice = Anti-Life argument that's taking place currently. Why is it that the holier-than-thou side is always the first one to resort to leaps of logic? Oh that's right,

Jesus.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:55
mix
I've only read half but I must get this out.

Before reading all the crap about this Rapelay Platinum I had NO IDEA that this game even existed or that so many people were against stuff like this. I've only seen New Grounds crap that you and your friends chuckle at in grade 10.

I think the whole banning of video game stuff is getting out of control! Have these people not seen a gorey movie or a porn before? Stuff like that is 100x more real than any videogame. Sure you don't realyl take part in a movie but the fact that you will sit on your own free will for 2 hours watching people get murded in a movie or spend 3 minutes watching a fake rape seen while fapping seems just the same in my eyes.

People be crazy.
Doomsday Forte's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:55
Doomsday Forte
@Droll: I dunno to be honest. I think there's a line that some people won't go towards, even if it's virtual. That's how I see it, anyway. *shrugs*

As for this article, I'm no fan of rape games, but censorship of one thing can lead to censorship of more things. Almost the same as "I don't like but I'll defend" but I'm looking at other things that can be targeted. Sure, games don't need blood and gore, but if knee-jerks really change the market, there won't even be violence in games anymore. =P
Azimuth's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:57
Azimuth
"The point is, if you value freedom of expression and of speech, you have to be prepared to defend every form of expression and speech, not just the parts you like."

And yet, according to the rules below: "...spamming, trolling, racism, posting NSFW stuff, and other forms of sucking will not be tolerated".

Lol?

But seriously. I've seen a fair few offensive comments about women on this website. You know, the hilarous jokes where people were being hilarious because they were just joking. Those comments are left entirely unmoderated. I'm pretty sure I couldn't make hilarious jokes about kikes, niggers, and wogs without getting a slap, though. Of course, women have always been fair game for hilarious jokes, haven't they?

Watch those double (even triple) standards, Jim.

And finally, on the topic at hand - even as a woman, I'd agree with your sentiments on this issue. I find the idea of rape games morally and intellectually abhorrent, but no more so than censorship. It's no more real than Call of Duty or Guitar Hero.
Cubetom's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:57
Cubetom
What an excellent article Jim, congrats. I totally agree with you, things have a right to exist and that we allowed them doesn't mean we like or even agree with the contents of it.
Recently in my country an horrible crime was commited were a little girl was rapted and raped to later be put in a bag and thrown into the sea alive, she was later found dead by the local police. Who was the killer? The bus driver of her school and I don't think that he played these RapeLay videogames at all.
We people tend to have very little confidence between ourselves and this is the problem that makes us think that anything we see or experience is going to make us crazy, like if playing a WWII game is going to transform us into some gun loving crazies. If we allow to have games with ultra violence and blood I think that games of the type of RapeLay are allowed to exist.
There's a lot of people all around the world that has problems in which they tend to mix fiction with reality, and thats the point, it could be anyone, not just gamers, a police officer, a politician even a bus driver anyone not just gamers and these people need help, so please to all those journalist stop making us gamers look like some very disturbed fucked up human beings, thanks.
Again Jim a very good article, I think everyone here is shares your opinion on this subject.
L0cky's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:57
L0cky
Americans think rape games are disgusting , japanenese people think over the top violent games are disgusting its all a matter of taste and culture .

rape is a disgusting thing but is it worse then killing someone ?
why is killing more accepted by gamers then rape ?
Crabman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 17:59
Crabman
Jim's so flexible in his writing, I love it!

More or less, the other dude should just chill out. Does he really think Dtoid is a festering pool of would-be rapists?
Minamu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 18:03
Minamu
I had to test Rapelay after hearing so much about it a while back. And while I didn't find it very good, it does have a right to exist, yes. And if Usher had tested the game in question, he would realize, like everyone else, that game is so poorly done & very far from being realistic in any way. And the extremely poor fan translation of the story is so bad that it would sometimes require a very vivid imagination to see that it is an actual rape happening on your screen. And if you would jump in on the scene right in the middle, rape wouldn't be the first thing on your mind. Especially considering how the girls react to getting a virtual **** thrust into their holes. I've never seen or heard a rape victim sound so pleased as the girls in Rapelay (or any other anime porn game).

Basically, the girls are only against the idea during the story parts & then say, what the hell, let's just enjoy the whole thing, when the actual gameplay kicks in. For being a "rape simulator", it fails quite miserably. Shit, I sound disappointed, don't I? xD
Cataract's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 18:03
Cataract
Damn good read.
XanderSan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 18:06
XanderSan
Here here!

I find it silly to even have this conversation again. Stop censoring things in this day and age. No matter the material or level of 'offense', denying any piece of media the right to exist and compete in their respective markets is immature.

Grow up.
chris24680's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 18:09
chris24680
@Azimuth
It's not double standerds at all, if I said "LULZ women can't play teh HALOZ cos den dey'ed av to leave the kitchen." that would be a joke, the same as if you said "LULZ GaMeR GURLZ pwn at COD4 cuz were da only ones who can multitask".
ninjikiran's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 18:09
ninjikiran
lol, I think people in general are mature enough to know whats right in a fantasy setting and whats right for real life. Just because someone enjoys to play those type of games on their own private times doesn't make them rapist or potential rapist. Some people just enjoy the sexual fantasy of being dominating or being dominated, people in rl actually roleplay this(in a safe environment of course, not for real for those stupid enough to take this the wrong way). I feel that it is a safe way to release those desires that would otherwise be bottled up inside.

Of course the mere thought of something that offends you sends people up in a tussie. I read something on another blog which stated its not how you defend the rights of what you like but its how you defend it for everything including the things you don't like. I swear one day they are going to implant microchips in our brains and convict us of "thought" crimes with the way the world is headed.
Zonic505's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 18:11
Zonic505
This is the best article I've read concerning this game. Well thought out & makes some good points. I think N4G user thedukeofkna said it best: If it offends you, then don't play (or read/watch/listen/whatever) it.
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