This is why we need to really support the few "gamer's games" (I really hate to use that term) that do come to the Wii. People are always complaining that the Wii remote is a failure when used in gamer's games. But I'm sure that there is so much potential we haven't discovered yet. The problem is, we need more companies supporting the Wii, otherwise they won't explore those possibilities.

@bobyoko: You have no idea what you are talking about. There are tons of Nintendo fans on Dtoid. Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, people still pay a shit load of attention to graphics, that may not be the best outlook to have on videogames, but the graphics movement is definitely not over.

I am inclined to agree with him. My Wii library is far more interesting than that of my PS3. It has some of the craziest, most interesting games on the market.

@bobyoko
Yeah dude, everyone here hates Nintendo. Graphics possibly can't get any better. No one should try for those anymore. Natal is the future! Controllers be damned.

I like the last bit a lot as I can take a game being bad because sometimes the creators genuinely try but it doesn't work out that well but to treat any console like crap and try to pull off some of the things I've seen people do is disgraceful.

There's a large difference between a bad game and shovelware (something the internet forgets) because a bad game could have been something that tried something new and failed by accident. Lucidy and Wii Music come to my mind as the most recent examples of some guys testing out a new idea that went sour.

Shovelware can been good or it could be bad but it's just when nobody cares about what they're making or who may buy it. That's what pisses me off the most.

lol... bigmoose85

These are my basic thoughts o third parties, as previously posted:
Had Third Parties embraced the Wii earlier and made more of those types of games earlier on in its lifecycle, this would be much less of a problem today. Games like Dead Space: Extraction didn't sell as well because not enough people were interested in it. These people didn't buy a Wii at that point because they didn't see any games like this that interested them. It is a vicious cycle, and as much as the third parties whine about a lack of "Hardcore" Gamers on the Wii, they should have been making "Hardcore" games early on before those people decided that the PS3 and Xbox 360 would better provide for them. But because the assumed this little oddball console would fail, as predicted by analysts (See what I did there?), they decided to turn away from it and label Nintendo as having finally lost it. Turns out Nintendo, an old company that was apparently going the way of Sega, had come up with not just a unique console, but the most successful console of this generation.
Nintendo has been putting out as many games as it can that cater to both the more experienced gamers and newer gamers, but as much as I love my Wii, it is hard to sell a console based on just one company. If not for fact that this one company is NINTENDO, one of the most well loved, experienced, and prestigious gaming companies of all time, and a decent amount of good third-party games, the console would have died by this point. Without Nintendo taking steps to attract and supply games to this new demographic of gamers, all that would be there is some little-known console filled up with shovelware that not even the less picky newcomers would put up with anymore without a powerful central company to keep them enticed. With Nintendo, they see a higher standard of gaming. It is this that keeps them with the Wii. To say all Third Party companies and their games are this bad would be incorrect, but as far as the numbers go, the majority of them are. Perhaps when Nintendo releases their next console, which has been confirmed as HD for a long while, the third parties will finally raise their depressingly low standards.

Nintendo fan here. Also, Johnathan Holmes.

I agree with the notion of cowardice. Very much so.

@DANGALE!
I think its just that the Wii doesn't have alot of "dig in" games. Games that will really sap alot of your time and attention, the way a Fallout 3 or Mass Effect did....

hmm, those are shooters too though...

yeah, Dan. Actually, I think you're right...

@DanGale, I think it's just because those people have never heard of Dewy's Adventure. The game basically defines what it means to be hardcore.

Also, I agree with most points present except the guy who said there aren't any Nintendo fans here.