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Can't they use it to stress test servers, Jim? They could increase support/add more servers depending on the beta data.
Alternatively, they might be wanting to check in again with people and see what needs to be adjust since the first beta.
Still, that's one of the better maps, and I would strongly suggest that anyone who didn't get into the earlier beta try out Operations mode. It's freakin' awesome! You can find me at CornflakeJustice on the PSN if you're interested in partying up.
Still, that's one of the better maps, and I would strongly suggest that anyone who didn't get into the earlier beta try out Operations mode. It's freakin' awesome! You can find me at CornflakeJustice on the PSN if you're interested in partying up.
I think it's a great idea , other games just test it out with a fair amount of traffic but never test the stress of a launch day traffic flow. More games should do this even if it isn't a real beta/stress test because it'll showcase what I want to see before I buy. Majority of the demos lately leave me iffy about a purchase.
"Can't they use it to stress test servers, Jim? They could increase support/add more servers depending on the beta data."
That's not a beta test.
That's not a beta test.
Server stress test is a better term. Sure, there will be bugs that can be patched, but these tests are probably done to test the servers themselves.
Yeah, beta is the name for the stage of game development after alpha and before gold. I game always has bugs in beta, sometimes not too many, but always a fair amount.
So either Sony wants us to expect some bugs, or the word "beta" is having its meaning hijacked.
Oh well, the usually un(der)educated gaming masses won't probably give a crap one way or another. Based on the horrendous abuses against the English language I see in almost every online forum, correct grammar has become passé.
So either Sony wants us to expect some bugs, or the word "beta" is having its meaning hijacked.
Oh well, the usually un(der)educated gaming masses won't probably give a crap one way or another. Based on the horrendous abuses against the English language I see in almost every online forum, correct grammar has become passé.
Yeah, I too detest it when they use the word "beta" when we're in fact playing the release version of the game.... unless all released games are now in beta waiting on the inevitable patch to fix whatever they f'd up?
Thanks to Dtoid I actually did play the Killzone 3 beta, have been playing it since way back in October. I'm really looking forward to KZ3 but it releases the Same day as Bulletstorm so sorry Sony, no day one sale from me, Bulletstorm just looks way to fun.
No matter what it's called, I want to play it. But Jim's right. This is essentially a multiplayer demo.
Like Jim said, does no one know what beta means any more? Stress testing is stress testing. Beta testing is... beta testing.
I understand that it isn't a beta but really? An article about it? Do we not have more important things to bitch about? My god... (and yes, I do realize the irony of me saying that and yet still taking the time out of my day to say, essentially flying in the face of my comment)
It can still be a beta test if they use it to push through a launch day patch. Beta testing happens often, even after the game has gone gold. Team Fortress 2 has a new beta testing feature that was put in place years after the LAUNCH of a game.
So they should come right out and call it stress testing even though many MMOs before launch do their Stress Testing under the banner of "Beta Test, get into the Beta before launch, etc."
Who am I kidding, this is a sad, pathetic semantics argument being made by someone desperately trying to find someone to bitch about. Who cares what it's called? Especially when data from this test can lead to a day 1 patch adding balance that the limited beta test audience couldn't find? Someone buy this man a puppy if THIS is the line in the sand he draws.
Who am I kidding, this is a sad, pathetic semantics argument being made by someone desperately trying to find someone to bitch about. Who cares what it's called? Especially when data from this test can lead to a day 1 patch adding balance that the limited beta test audience couldn't find? Someone buy this man a puppy if THIS is the line in the sand he draws.
The line between "gold" and "ready to use code" is more and more blurry.
After all, if they find some online gamebreaking bug in this "demo", they can release a day 1 update of the game...
After all, if they find some online gamebreaking bug in this "demo", they can release a day 1 update of the game...
XXXXXX XX, 1998: Team Fortress 2 is announced in development
October 10, 2007: Team Fortress 2 is released as part of the Orange Box
December 2, 2010: Team Fortress 2 open Beta is released
October 10, 2007: Team Fortress 2 is released as part of the Orange Box
December 2, 2010: Team Fortress 2 open Beta is released
It all depends on where the code base is coming from. You are assuming the demo is coming from the GA code base, which is unlikely. While I agree that the naming is a little suspect, its nothing to go waving your pitchfork about.
True beta testing seems to have died back around the time after WoW was released. Being in the beta is now just a point of hype, a marketing tactic to feel like you get an "insider's look."
It doesn't even ensure a complete, functional product anymore.
It doesn't even ensure a complete, functional product anymore.
I'm only asking this because I'm really confused but since when does a game need to be finished before it starts getting preorders and goes gold? Isn't gold still a sales number? Preorders can push any game with enough hype go gold before its truely finished.. And Killzone seems to be one of those titles that tends to do it.
Or is gold some codeword that managed to go over my head over the last 28 years of my life that means "finished"?
It might just be a demo but who knows really what Sony could be testing if this is an actual beta/stress test.. I mean all we know is that they're using Beta as a term to make people who download and play it feel more important but honestly either way they could get some feedback from this that could push back the release of the game..
Or is gold some codeword that managed to go over my head over the last 28 years of my life that means "finished"?
It might just be a demo but who knows really what Sony could be testing if this is an actual beta/stress test.. I mean all we know is that they're using Beta as a term to make people who download and play it feel more important but honestly either way they could get some feedback from this that could push back the release of the game..
Or maybe the gold is still "beta", and the day one patch is the final one? We live in a day where a game isn't finished until a few weeks after release, after all. See New Vegas.
Magnalon, or see all Bethesda releases ever.... why are people acting like Daggerfall never had the problems New Vegas does?
Dear Jim Sterling:
Yes you can. Just because the game has gone gold does not mean the MP Beta they're releasing is the gold build or even a cert build. It could quite literally (and most likely is) be a beta build. Please stop arguing semantics about topics you don't understand.
Yes you can. Just because the game has gone gold does not mean the MP Beta they're releasing is the gold build or even a cert build. It could quite literally (and most likely is) be a beta build. Please stop arguing semantics about topics you don't understand.
@Booming
Gold means a game is essentially finished, no more changes will be made to it. It is ready to get shipped out.
Gold means a game is essentially finished, no more changes will be made to it. It is ready to get shipped out.
@BoomingEchos... "gold" is the term used when a game goes to print. It has nothing to do with sales, but is just the final copy of the game that will be sold at the retail level. At this point it is usually determined to be "done". Any changes made to the game after this point, have to be done via a patch.
@Sheppy
Sure, but Daggerfall literally had an infinitely/randomly generated map. There were bound to be bugs.
New Vegas is literally a fraction of the size - especially since there are even more bugs, four patches later, than the entirety of Fallout 3, there's little excuse. New Vegas is a new benchmark for bugs. While the faction system was totally awesome, it contributed to an unprecedented amount of game breaking glitches, which forced you to restart.
Keep in mind New Vegas is my second favorite game of all time :D
Sure, but Daggerfall literally had an infinitely/randomly generated map. There were bound to be bugs.
New Vegas is literally a fraction of the size - especially since there are even more bugs, four patches later, than the entirety of Fallout 3, there's little excuse. New Vegas is a new benchmark for bugs. While the faction system was totally awesome, it contributed to an unprecedented amount of game breaking glitches, which forced you to restart.
Keep in mind New Vegas is my second favorite game of all time :D
def looking forward to trying it but calling it a beta is false. all it is is a demo but its "cooler" to call it a beta
@Jim
The game might have gone gold but that doesnt mean the game servers have gone "gold". That's called a beta test.
The game might have gone gold but that doesnt mean the game servers have gone "gold". That's called a beta test.
Thanks Elsa, like I said 28 years of life and it took me that long to learn that.
All in all you'd think someone would be wise enough to change the term away from something that ultimately ends up with a double meaning when used.
In that case then I can't figure they mean anything but beta=demo.. Which is completely off base...
All in all you'd think someone would be wise enough to change the term away from something that ultimately ends up with a double meaning when used.
In that case then I can't figure they mean anything but beta=demo.. Which is completely off base...
A beta is any pre-release software that needs testing prior to release. A demo is a small glimpse at the final product prior to release. Given that Guerrilla Games will be actively looking for things that may need correction before release on the game servers, this is most definitely a beta.
A beta with closed access is a Private Beta, one with exclusive access is a Public beta, while access for anyone/everyone is an Open beta.
A beta with closed access is a Private Beta, one with exclusive access is a Public beta, while access for anyone/everyone is an Open beta.
Well, since it's MP, they can issue updates. Therefore, the MP isn't finished and this is considered a beta. It's still quite stupid as these updates will all be post game launch, but I suppose that is their reasoning.
It's still a beta. Many games had patch on release day. Nothing wrong with finding a bug before release day.
Which scenario is better:
Scenario 1: No beta because you're gold. Release product and have people complaint about an unfound bug.
Scenario 2: Beta before release. People then buy product and have to download a small patch. Game is going 1.01.
In both case, everybody will be complaining, but truly which scenario do you prefer when you buy game? Me, I prefer the small download and bug free game (until another one creeps out). Like most people, I miss the time when games were on ROMs and could not be patched, but today, we have to live with it. And getting into a beta while other could not is always something fun to brag about anyway!
Which scenario is better:
Scenario 1: No beta because you're gold. Release product and have people complaint about an unfound bug.
Scenario 2: Beta before release. People then buy product and have to download a small patch. Game is going 1.01.
In both case, everybody will be complaining, but truly which scenario do you prefer when you buy game? Me, I prefer the small download and bug free game (until another one creeps out). Like most people, I miss the time when games were on ROMs and could not be patched, but today, we have to live with it. And getting into a beta while other could not is always something fun to brag about anyway!
Maybe they're beta testing their backend servers. While I know the game WILL be patched, just because they're testing something doesn't mean it's the game on the disc... there is an entire back-end to multiplayer gaming that probably doesn't even take place on PS3s.
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