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It could be cool playing as someone who can't use psychic powers and Jesus weapons - otherwise known as true survival horror.
@Magnalon
Oh, and real survival horror? Like resident evil? So should the DLC have crap tank controls? Or are you wanting the shit action oriented story/not zombies that capcom brewed up in a poor attempt to appeal to western gamers? Or maybe it should be made more like silent hill. I'll go write a letter to EA and ask them to fire everyone at visceral and make a bunch of shitty iterations of a once great game.
If you think a game that consists of fending off necrotic abominations with MINING TOOLS in the claustrophobic confines of space doesn't constitute survival horror then you sir are a fool.
Oh, and real survival horror? Like resident evil? So should the DLC have crap tank controls? Or are you wanting the shit action oriented story/not zombies that capcom brewed up in a poor attempt to appeal to western gamers? Or maybe it should be made more like silent hill. I'll go write a letter to EA and ask them to fire everyone at visceral and make a bunch of shitty iterations of a once great game.
If you think a game that consists of fending off necrotic abominations with MINING TOOLS in the claustrophobic confines of space doesn't constitute survival horror then you sir are a fool.
@~JnR Teh Chipmunk~ Raaaaaaaaage!
Yeah, announcing your DLC on the day your game is released: that is NOT how DLC works. It's as if this DLC was developed in tandem with the game proper, and they're pumping it out to make an easy fifteen bucks per gamer. DO NOT WANT.
Yeah, announcing your DLC on the day your game is released: that is NOT how DLC works. It's as if this DLC was developed in tandem with the game proper, and they're pumping it out to make an easy fifteen bucks per gamer. DO NOT WANT.
@Shotgun
You know what I fucking mean. He can manipulate objects and freeze him at will.
"Stasis and Kinesis modules" are the same exact thing as psychic powers. Oh no! A "module" is doing it but it has the exact same effect as telekinetic psychic powers in every medium ever! It is COMPLETELY different because it is SCIENCE!
Whatever you want to call them, it takes me out of the game a bit, because I'm playing a Jesus character in a game where I'm supposed to feel helpless.
You know what I fucking mean. He can manipulate objects and freeze him at will.
"Stasis and Kinesis modules" are the same exact thing as psychic powers. Oh no! A "module" is doing it but it has the exact same effect as telekinetic psychic powers in every medium ever! It is COMPLETELY different because it is SCIENCE!
Whatever you want to call them, it takes me out of the game a bit, because I'm playing a Jesus character in a game where I'm supposed to feel helpless.
This also isn't the first DLC for DS2. While browsing the Marketplace this morning, I noticed 3 different DLC packs. It seems they are all suits and weapon upgrades.
I am glad to see that Viceral is bringing campaign DLC instead of just pushing out armor pack after armor pack.
I am glad to see that Viceral is bringing campaign DLC instead of just pushing out armor pack after armor pack.
This sounds like a cool addition to the universe of Deadspace. Based on Jim's review it seemed like the game itself was pretty complete and satisfying. If the dev team is eager to add on to the experience then let's hope as much care and value is put into this DLC as was supposedly spent on the game. I am eager to see my copy of DS2 waiting for me on the doorstep when I get home from work. We'll see if the DLC will be worth the price of admission when it comes out.
My how quickly they attack one another...
My how quickly they attack one another...
How is he Jesus (there can only be one) if everyone else could use them at will since they're plastered to the walls?
Anyhoo off how this got on Jesus, As I'm not a fan of blah blah blah you know I probably will end up downloading it anyway if I love the game and I'll find that out when lazy UPS gets here and stops masturbating on my package
Anyhoo off how this got on Jesus, As I'm not a fan of blah blah blah you know I probably will end up downloading it anyway if I love the game and I'll find that out when lazy UPS gets here and stops masturbating on my package
@Shot
Nope. Dead Space is not survival horror. Neither is RE5. They're action horror.
Clocktower. That's survival horror. The original Alone in the Dark. The original Silent Hill - survival horror. Alan Wake - can be called survival horror. When you want to run away, and the fight or flight cerebral mechanism says "flight" more than fight, that's *survival* horror - hence the SURVIVAL part of the moniker. As a general rule, survival horror is dead, in favor of a more "exciting" shooter based approach to facilitate the "Gears/COD" generation.
In Dead Space, you're Jesus (not only figuratively in terms of the Marker, but gameplay wise). You have a multitude of weapons that demolish your enemies, a super space suit with at-will super powers and instant healing factor. Sorry I insulted your precious series (I'm assuming you have personal stock in Visceral Games): Dead Space is GREAT in it's own way - it's own action-ey non survival horror way.
Nope. Dead Space is not survival horror. Neither is RE5. They're action horror.
Clocktower. That's survival horror. The original Alone in the Dark. The original Silent Hill - survival horror. Alan Wake - can be called survival horror. When you want to run away, and the fight or flight cerebral mechanism says "flight" more than fight, that's *survival* horror - hence the SURVIVAL part of the moniker. As a general rule, survival horror is dead, in favor of a more "exciting" shooter based approach to facilitate the "Gears/COD" generation.
In Dead Space, you're Jesus (not only figuratively in terms of the Marker, but gameplay wise). You have a multitude of weapons that demolish your enemies, a super space suit with at-will super powers and instant healing factor. Sorry I insulted your precious series (I'm assuming you have personal stock in Visceral Games): Dead Space is GREAT in it's own way - it's own action-ey non survival horror way.
@ShotgunDiplom4t: Even Jim calls the game "Action Horror" in his review, and that's exactly what it is. If you really think Dead Space is survival horror, then you've never played a real survival horror game. I'd suggest giving Amnesia: The Dark Descent a go.
"Survival" implies vulnerability, not empowerment, which is what you feel when you're walking around in a upgradeable tank suit with a huge arsenal of weapons capable of ripping the limbs off anything you encounter. I love Dead Space, but it's far closer to Gears of War than it is to Fatal Frame.
"Survival" implies vulnerability, not empowerment, which is what you feel when you're walking around in a upgradeable tank suit with a huge arsenal of weapons capable of ripping the limbs off anything you encounter. I love Dead Space, but it's far closer to Gears of War than it is to Fatal Frame.
@Magnalon
Your argument is still invalid. Kinesis and Stasis modules are useless is combat situations against more than one necromorph. Even if you slow one for ten seconds, you have more trying to kill you. And if you're playing on hard like you should be, it won't make a damn difference. Deadspace is just of a valid survival horror as any other out there if not more so. Give an example of one of these so called "true" survival horror or untie your panties and QQ.
Your argument is still invalid. Kinesis and Stasis modules are useless is combat situations against more than one necromorph. Even if you slow one for ten seconds, you have more trying to kill you. And if you're playing on hard like you should be, it won't make a damn difference. Deadspace is just of a valid survival horror as any other out there if not more so. Give an example of one of these so called "true" survival horror or untie your panties and QQ.
I gave you like 4 examples of real survival horror, and lastdual gave you two more. If you're young, you probably haven't played most of them, as they came out in the very early 90s. As lastdual said, true "survival" has been thrown out the window in favor of a more shooter heavy focus.
Is it more fun? I'd say so. Is it more dire than those old games? No. It's more fun because you are more powerful. Like Jim said, it's why Prototype was more fun than inFamous for many people - you felt like a God.
Is it more fun? I'd say so. Is it more dire than those old games? No. It's more fun because you are more powerful. Like Jim said, it's why Prototype was more fun than inFamous for many people - you felt like a God.
Since when does survival imply being vulnerable? It would be called vulnerable horror if were true. If you play the original deadspace on insane difficulty, the limited ammo and resources combined with the the increased health and damage dealt by the
enemies completely change the game. You stop being empowered. You DO have to flee some situations. If you haven't bothered do that yet then you have no grounds. The level of action and intensity of the game does bot make it an "action" game. They add to the frantic atmosphere that would come with a fucked up situation like dead space.
enemies completely change the game. You stop being empowered. You DO have to flee some situations. If you haven't bothered do that yet then you have no grounds. The level of action and intensity of the game does bot make it an "action" game. They add to the frantic atmosphere that would come with a fucked up situation like dead space.
I posted that before you gave your examples. Alan wake was not survival horror. It was
a narrative-based thriller. Your other examples have merit, but if you think dead space empowers you too much, up the difficulty, and your attitude will change. If your aren't playing the most challenging mode, you simply aren't playing.
a narrative-based thriller. Your other examples have merit, but if you think dead space empowers you too much, up the difficulty, and your attitude will change. If your aren't playing the most challenging mode, you simply aren't playing.
A) You should not "have to play" a game on Insane difficulty (which I did play - and it's "Impossible Difficulty", by the way) in order to "really appreciate it". It's the Tim Schafer "you're doing it wrong" argument all over again. If I'm doing it wrong, how come Normal wasn't "Impossible".
B) Why is "Impossible" the "true" way of playing the game if you have to BEAT THE GAME to get it! The experience was intended to be played as an action shooter out of the box.
B) Why is "Impossible" the "true" way of playing the game if you have to BEAT THE GAME to get it! The experience was intended to be played as an action shooter out of the box.
I had this exact same survival vs. action horror argument with a friend the other day. And he gave the same reasoning(you dont have to buy ammo/use the powers/play on impossible) and I was about to say the exact same thing Magnalon said, if you have to limit yourself/play it "this way", then it is not true survival horror. Dead space is action horror man, just accept it, it is in no way insulting to the game.
It's a horror game. You fight things with awesome weapons (action), and you also have those moments where all you want to do is get the hell out of there (survival). Stop trying to over classify the game and enjoy it for what it is.
@Magnalon
Stop splitting hairs because I mixed up the difficulty name. If you're too much of a baby to up the settings then stop talking. And impossible isn't the normal setting because if it was, people would whine and bItch about it. But lo and behold, it's not that way and here you are, being a whiny little kid. Your argument remains invalid. If you don't like it, stop crying about and go play something else.
Stop splitting hairs because I mixed up the difficulty name. If you're too much of a baby to up the settings then stop talking. And impossible isn't the normal setting because if it was, people would whine and bItch about it. But lo and behold, it's not that way and here you are, being a whiny little kid. Your argument remains invalid. If you don't like it, stop crying about and go play something else.
@sirspy It's a new form of Ebonics, where I take the laziest part of sentence structuring, and make it more legible for 13 year olds to read. It's fascinating really, I never knew I could use masturbating and UPS in the same sentence.
Personally, I have two categories of games: good games and bad games.
Somewhere in there sports games exist but I try to keep those locked in the basement with those orphans I found at the food court.
Somewhere in there sports games exist but I try to keep those locked in the basement with those orphans I found at the food court.
Stop quarreling about the difficulty. This comments section is for the bitching of content being cut and sold from dead space 2.
So you concede then. I clearly said I played the highest difficulty (which you incorrectly named - did YOU play it?); so you resort to name calling. Great debate skills!
Hrm, only if it's cheap and adds some MEAT to my potatos. Or potatoes to my MEAT. MEATY MEAT MEAT MEAT! I want my frigging game to come, hurry up UPS!
I have to agree with Magnalon that Dead Space and RE 4/5 are Horror Action games, unless playing DS on "Impossible" as it's frigging HARD. Resident Evil 5 (which I liked less thatn Dead Space) had car chase segments. Car chase segments do not exist in Survial Horror games as far as I am concerned.
I have to agree with Magnalon that Dead Space and RE 4/5 are Horror Action games, unless playing DS on "Impossible" as it's frigging HARD. Resident Evil 5 (which I liked less thatn Dead Space) had car chase segments. Car chase segments do not exist in Survial Horror games as far as I am concerned.
I love the gamers who did nothing to help create or innovate the genre feel as if they can dictate exactly what it means for a game to be considered "Survival horror" as if it were a science.
It could be free like how they did the armor packs in the first game, but I am really sick of Day 1 announcements (or hell, Pre-announcements). This at least adds content that people will care about, unlike all the shit they did for the first game.
Sick 'em, Magnalon, SICK 'EM!!! Bwahahahaha!
Magnalon is right, you internet tough guys are wrong, and Dead Space 2 is still awesome. Quite simple, really. Nothing to get your Underoos in a twist over, kids.
Magnalon is right, you internet tough guys are wrong, and Dead Space 2 is still awesome. Quite simple, really. Nothing to get your Underoos in a twist over, kids.
I don't think Visceral ever intended for Dead Space (or its sequel) to be a "survival horror" game in the traditional sense. Are there terrifying moments? Moments of tension and fear? Sure. But there's a clear emphasis on action, and complaining that the game doesn't meet "survival horror" standards is pretty silly, if you ask me. Enjoy the experience, or... don't. End of the day, Dead Space 2 is a great, well-made game; it doesn't need to be shuffled into a genre to justify its existence.
What are we arguing about again?
What are we arguing about again?
@Arch649 and @HazyCloud
It is included with the PS3 Limited Edition (all of the PS3 retail releases) of "Dead Space 2" also the Collector's Edition
And if you don't want "Dead Space 2" you can also buy "Extraction" on the PSN, a demo will be available around 7:00 PM EST
It is included with the PS3 Limited Edition (all of the PS3 retail releases) of "Dead Space 2" also the Collector's Edition
And if you don't want "Dead Space 2" you can also buy "Extraction" on the PSN, a demo will be available around 7:00 PM EST
Not buying the DLC out of principle. Seriously, companies need to stop nickel and dimeing their customers. We already spend 60 bucks on their game in a crap economy.
@jessicarabbitszs Amazon says it's only the Collector's Editions. I didn't think anything extra came with just the standard retail copies.
@HazyCloud
Amazon has failed to add an update to the Info for the game. Every current retail copy of "Dead Space 2" for PS3 contains "Extraction." That includes standard (limited) editions, and collector's editions.
They are called "Limited" editions only because once the game becomes a Greatest Hits, "Extraction" will not be included and you will have to purchase the game seperately.
For now, every retail PS3 copy of "Dead Space 2" contains "Extraction," and it is compatible with Dualshock or Move. (2 dualshocks, or 2 move controllers)
Amazon has failed to add an update to the Info for the game. Every current retail copy of "Dead Space 2" for PS3 contains "Extraction." That includes standard (limited) editions, and collector's editions.
They are called "Limited" editions only because once the game becomes a Greatest Hits, "Extraction" will not be included and you will have to purchase the game seperately.
For now, every retail PS3 copy of "Dead Space 2" contains "Extraction," and it is compatible with Dualshock or Move. (2 dualshocks, or 2 move controllers)
And I'm glad that at least the DLC is being released on both platforms at the same time. 360 players can simply watch YouTube videos or read the summary on Wikipedia, it is literally that "cut and paste" that you could do either of those things and understand the story of Lexine and Gabe. Its much better than every and any "Dead Space" movie.
So I just bought the pc version, not buying a copy for my ps3. If you want any chance of seeing dlc money from me EA better get to work on that pc version.
@jessicarabbitszs That's awesome. I didn't know that. I just hope it'll come to the 360 at some point.
The best survival horror game would have to be Halo Reach. Followed by Madden. Phew had some scares this season.
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