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I guess it's truly a cultural thing and Japan is one of the few remaining countries where it seems perfectly fine to put the faces of 10 year old girls on the bodies of 22 year olds.
I guess if they intend to market games to the world, they may have to do a little catching up. Would it really be so bad if the characters were attractive 20 year olds??
I guess if they intend to market games to the world, they may have to do a little catching up. Would it really be so bad if the characters were attractive 20 year olds??
Its weird as I'm pretty sure the Age of Consent in Sweden is 15. They can have sex with anyone but god forbid a bit of virtual midrif show.
The DoA characters don't look THAT much like teenagers anyway.
The DoA characters don't look THAT much like teenagers anyway.
@Black Nexus
It will hurt for those in Sweden if that's what you mean. But otherwise it should sell pretty well everywhere else.
It will hurt for those in Sweden if that's what you mean. But otherwise it should sell pretty well everywhere else.
@ricochetguro
Lots of countries have stupid laws that don't make sense. Here in the UK you have to be 16 to have sex but 18 to watch porn. Similarly, you can join the army at 16 but can't play some violent games until you're 18.
Lots of countries have stupid laws that don't make sense. Here in the UK you have to be 16 to have sex but 18 to watch porn. Similarly, you can join the army at 16 but can't play some violent games until you're 18.
Sweden would shit bricks if they watched American TV for a day, or Japanese TV for twenty minutes.
This isn't pornographic, it's just perverted. I still don't get how you quantify a digital characters 'age.' Are we basing it solely on looks? Because I've seen several 15-16 year old girls that could have easily passed for 18-19 if they wanted to. And several 20 year old girls that could pass for 15 if they wanted to.
And unless Sweden has banned the internet, computers, cell phones and snail mail, this does no good anyway.
I'll be in line to pick up my preorder tomorrow.
This isn't pornographic, it's just perverted. I still don't get how you quantify a digital characters 'age.' Are we basing it solely on looks? Because I've seen several 15-16 year old girls that could have easily passed for 18-19 if they wanted to. And several 20 year old girls that could pass for 15 if they wanted to.
And unless Sweden has banned the internet, computers, cell phones and snail mail, this does no good anyway.
I'll be in line to pick up my preorder tomorrow.
@ricochetguro
No the Age of Consent in Sweden is 15 for people under 18. If a 16 and a 17 year old couple have sex, not a problem. If a 16 and 19 year old couple have sex, problem.
No the Age of Consent in Sweden is 15 for people under 18. If a 16 and a 17 year old couple have sex, not a problem. If a 16 and 19 year old couple have sex, problem.
Meh. Why can't they just have in game bios that claim them all to be 18? I mean, I don't want to see underage cartoon side boobies either. Make them of age so I can fap like a man and feel good about myself..... er...
here's a question, was Kick-Ass allowed in Sweden? if yes then whole situation is complete BS. not to mention the fact that if i remember correctly Dead or Alive 4 was released in Sweden(i don't live there so i'm not sure, but if some swedish gamers are here, they should clarify that).
I'll be playing MK where my boobies are bloody and of age, also SSF4 where my boobies are odd shaped and come with man hands thank you. Underage cleavage, harumph!
Im sure those Koei-Tecmo guys would probably have no problem making the characters age appropriate but then they might be alienating a chunk of their home grown otaku audience in Japan. Anyone remember that dumb 3DS game J. Holmes keeps on promoting here that has 11 year olds with tits? There is a reason why shit like that sells in Japan.
That's a teenager and people are concerned that it looks too mature? Have you ever seen a teenager? They look even more mature than the one's the law refers to as "adults". If Sweden fears for this, how about using Burka's for your teenagers, huh?
Unfortunately some porn laws are insane enough that merely looking young is enough for bannination, even if the actual actors are actually old enough, so I doubt it matters either way. Sweden just has some of the strictest feminazi laws in the world, not that they help much against actual sex crimes.
I live in Denmark and this is one of the most stupid things i have ever heard,
every single DOA title have been released here!
I don't understand if this is a Swedish thing why we have to suffer?
Clearly DOA isn't child ponography!
Stupid Sweden ruining everyones fun.
every single DOA title have been released here!
I don't understand if this is a Swedish thing why we have to suffer?
Clearly DOA isn't child ponography!
Stupid Sweden ruining everyones fun.
I'll kinda feel guilty playing it with one hand now, but not enough to make me stop. Im like the guy from Sons of Anarchy.
Look out guys, tits! Thank God Nintendo stepped in before people got to see them Sweden. Now time to get back to a game where i can shoot someone in the face and/or dismember them. =-)
I live in Sweden and last year a guy working with translating Manga from Japan (his work) got convicted because a judge thought that it was child pornography (just because the scenes were sexual) and after that they made up a new law. And now they've made a lot of Mangas and animes illegal to have. And now this. This fucking country is turning out to be worse than Australia. I mean... It's legal to fuck animals in Sweden... Gay marriage is legal. It's even legal for a 100 year old guy to fuck with a 15 year old... but Dead or Alive is illegal together with almost every damn ecchi and such series is also banned... I say it's time to make famous artworks portraying little naked cherubs illegal. It's time to strike back.
Change the age of the characters in the instruction manuals (or change it to "Unknown" like it's been done time and time before), and everyone everywhere can be happy...
First off, they're underage?
And secondly, wouldn't that mean that they've already broken the law once before, since the Dreamcast version of Dead or Alive 2 has a simple cheat code to allow you to see Kasumi nude in the opening cutscene?
Everyone who tries this out now is going to be put on a watch list.
And secondly, wouldn't that mean that they've already broken the law once before, since the Dreamcast version of Dead or Alive 2 has a simple cheat code to allow you to see Kasumi nude in the opening cutscene?
Everyone who tries this out now is going to be put on a watch list.
It's strange that something like this should have to be an issue in Sweden, wich is generally known for being among the most sexually liberated country on the planet, beaten perhaps only by Denmark. Heck, their teen girls are probably the biggest "sluts" on the planet!
Allthough it's important to point out that this game is NOT illegal in Sweden, It's just that the Scandinavian distributor of Nintendo games - Bergsala (based in Sweden) - decided to play it safe by not releasing the game; most likely due to the large controversy caused by the manga translator/child pornography incident a while back. It's just a bloody shame that this desicion had to effect us Norwegians (and Danes) as well.
But for any Scandinavians reading who are interested in buying the game, I suggest Amazon.co.uk. You'll get the game MUCH cheaper, and if you order today, you'll get the game before they restart their daily DLC thing again by the end of June (Tina catgirl outfit, woohoo!).
Allthough it's important to point out that this game is NOT illegal in Sweden, It's just that the Scandinavian distributor of Nintendo games - Bergsala (based in Sweden) - decided to play it safe by not releasing the game; most likely due to the large controversy caused by the manga translator/child pornography incident a while back. It's just a bloody shame that this desicion had to effect us Norwegians (and Danes) as well.
But for any Scandinavians reading who are interested in buying the game, I suggest Amazon.co.uk. You'll get the game MUCH cheaper, and if you order today, you'll get the game before they restart their daily DLC thing again by the end of June (Tina catgirl outfit, woohoo!).
Couldn't they cheat and just break the canon in Sweden. And up the offending people's ages.
The biggest issue is all because of stupid region lock
The biggest issue is all because of stupid region lock
True story: In Sweden a man was convicted of possession of child pornography, and he was a manga translator and got the picture through his job. So he was fired and is currently expected to pay 5600 kronor and lose custody of his child.
@ sofik88 what does kick-ass have to do with this? It's about underage girls being sexualised and objectified, not about them fighting. Cause violence is always ok, we all know that.
@ RenegadePanda Well, guess we would be shitting a whole lot of bricks then as there's lots of American TV in Sweden.
There is clearly a dubble standard going on here though as its ok to sell bikinis and whatnot to four year olds. Fucked up.
@ RenegadePanda Well, guess we would be shitting a whole lot of bricks then as there's lots of American TV in Sweden.
There is clearly a dubble standard going on here though as its ok to sell bikinis and whatnot to four year olds. Fucked up.
Technically, over here they keep their ages as ??? to avoid that issue, guess it isn't enough for Sweden.
.......this comes from a country who makes it legal to be a prostitute but illegal to pay a prostitu..... go Sweden go.......
@RenegadePanda
Get over yourself. We have alot of the endless shitstreams of reality-tv shows from the US running here more uncensored then they are on your channels. Same goes with music. Just about every song i have heard played that uses foul languange goes by without a bleep.
Dont forget that more atheists live in this country then the fucked up christian mass that run yours.
And im not saying this country has everything right, alot of the laws are old and bullshit, but to claim that people here would have a heart attack at your tv-shows, or japanese for that matter(wich alot of tv-shows here in Sweden try to copy) proves that you dont know shit.
And on the topic just to explain what all this is about.
In Sweden there is a large community/forum called Flashback. There is nothing that you _cant_ find on that forum, everything from how to shoot heroine to how you best plant and harvest tomatoes. Usually when a "celebrity" in Sweden has done something bad, like getting busted for possession of narcotics or the likes, you go to Flashback to know who it was, cause someone there will know.
This started with a guy who started a thread and asked the people if it could be worth going to the police about the contents of the game to _challenge_ the swedish child pornography law, since(as you can read from Asmodeus nWo's post above) a guy got arrested and prosecuted for translating manga. He who made the complaint didnt want the game to be banned, he wanted to start a discussion about how fuckin stupid the law could be in some cases.
This escalated and another forum-user who seemed to be genually offended by this(or he/she just wanted to fuck it up for everyone else just for fun) really filed a complaint about the game in wich the police responded "inconclusive" and probably wouldnt have given two shits if the game was released.
It was then that Nintendo decided not to release the game.
Too bad this happened, not that i care about the game. And i think the first guys motive was noble from the beginning, it just escalated to something more.
@TheWretchedCrow
Comparing us to Australia is insane, a 100y old guy fuckin a 15y girl is not legal, and whats wrong with gay marriage? What are you, 15?
Get over yourself. We have alot of the endless shitstreams of reality-tv shows from the US running here more uncensored then they are on your channels. Same goes with music. Just about every song i have heard played that uses foul languange goes by without a bleep.
Dont forget that more atheists live in this country then the fucked up christian mass that run yours.
And im not saying this country has everything right, alot of the laws are old and bullshit, but to claim that people here would have a heart attack at your tv-shows, or japanese for that matter(wich alot of tv-shows here in Sweden try to copy) proves that you dont know shit.
And on the topic just to explain what all this is about.
In Sweden there is a large community/forum called Flashback. There is nothing that you _cant_ find on that forum, everything from how to shoot heroine to how you best plant and harvest tomatoes. Usually when a "celebrity" in Sweden has done something bad, like getting busted for possession of narcotics or the likes, you go to Flashback to know who it was, cause someone there will know.
This started with a guy who started a thread and asked the people if it could be worth going to the police about the contents of the game to _challenge_ the swedish child pornography law, since(as you can read from Asmodeus nWo's post above) a guy got arrested and prosecuted for translating manga. He who made the complaint didnt want the game to be banned, he wanted to start a discussion about how fuckin stupid the law could be in some cases.
This escalated and another forum-user who seemed to be genually offended by this(or he/she just wanted to fuck it up for everyone else just for fun) really filed a complaint about the game in wich the police responded "inconclusive" and probably wouldnt have given two shits if the game was released.
It was then that Nintendo decided not to release the game.
Too bad this happened, not that i care about the game. And i think the first guys motive was noble from the beginning, it just escalated to something more.
@TheWretchedCrow
Comparing us to Australia is insane, a 100y old guy fuckin a 15y girl is not legal, and whats wrong with gay marriage? What are you, 15?
@BiggyP
It is legal if the girl is willing to do it. Otherwise it would be rape which is illegal.
Also I don't have a problem with gay marriage. I merely pointed it out because it's illegal in most countries but sweden thus proving that this law (which is a pretty rare law if you look through the laws of a lot of other countries) Doesn't fit into sweden and the country it wants to be. Don't talk out of your arse and accuse me for being an ignorant hillbilly ;}
And in comparing us to Australia i meant that this will probably escalate to the point where every game which includes a provocatively dressed female under the age of 18 will be banned or cancelled. We aren't there yet but if this continues it wont be long before we will be one of those famous ban countries.
It is legal if the girl is willing to do it. Otherwise it would be rape which is illegal.
Also I don't have a problem with gay marriage. I merely pointed it out because it's illegal in most countries but sweden thus proving that this law (which is a pretty rare law if you look through the laws of a lot of other countries) Doesn't fit into sweden and the country it wants to be. Don't talk out of your arse and accuse me for being an ignorant hillbilly ;}
And in comparing us to Australia i meant that this will probably escalate to the point where every game which includes a provocatively dressed female under the age of 18 will be banned or cancelled. We aren't there yet but if this continues it wont be long before we will be one of those famous ban countries.
DOA combat sistem is great but first time whitout Itagaki.womder how its goma play.unfortunately for swedesh gamers.stupid troll law
@TheWretchedCrow
Thing is though that this game isnt illegal and no one in Sweden said it was, so it has nothing to do with a police or politician decision.
It was Nintendos(Bergsalas) own choice of not releasing it.
Sure if it got out to the masses some people would have probably cried in Aftonbladet like they always do, but the game would still not be illegal and forgotten in a matter of days.
I still think we are pretty liberal here with both games and movies
Thing is though that this game isnt illegal and no one in Sweden said it was, so it has nothing to do with a police or politician decision.
It was Nintendos(Bergsalas) own choice of not releasing it.
Sure if it got out to the masses some people would have probably cried in Aftonbladet like they always do, but the game would still not be illegal and forgotten in a matter of days.
I still think we are pretty liberal here with both games and movies
Go figure theres a shit ton of people blaming Sweeden. But for you fanboys out there who can't seem to wrap your head around the idea that Japanese culture can, at times, be a little too inappropriate for the rest of the world. No, the rest of the world doesn't need to buck up and deal with one nation's obsessive cultural need to over sexualize almost EVERYTHING due to a society of endless sexual repression and perversion. You cant defend some of the sick shit therein. Don't even try to claim it's misunderstood. In this case, it's a not on the extreme. It does say a lot that japanese gaming companies are so intent on the sexualization of minors that they hadn't thought "hey these girls all look like adults, why not just say they're older?"
That said, if Nintendo got charged with distribution of child pornography, regardless of how absurd the allegations are, I'd LOL.
That said, if Nintendo got charged with distribution of child pornography, regardless of how absurd the allegations are, I'd LOL.
"And in comparing us to Australia i meant that this will probably escalate to the point where every game which includes a provocatively dressed female under the age of 18 will be banned or cancelled."
And this would be a bad thing? I'm thinking as long as she's provocatively dressed for no valid reason, like storyline or such, its just filth and deserves to be banned. Here (Sweden) and everywhere else.
And this would be a bad thing? I'm thinking as long as she's provocatively dressed for no valid reason, like storyline or such, its just filth and deserves to be banned. Here (Sweden) and everywhere else.
From Dictionary.com
"–noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.
Origin:
1840–50; < Greek pornográph ( os ) writing about harlots ( porno-, combining form of pórnē harlot + -graphos -graph) + -y3
pornography (pɔːˈnɒɡrəfɪ) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement"
Well shit, apparently all Americans DO is watch porn!
"–noun
obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.
Origin:
1840–50; < Greek pornográph ( os ) writing about harlots ( porno-, combining form of pórnē harlot + -graphos -graph) + -y3
pornography (pɔːˈnɒɡrəfɪ) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]
— n
1. writings, pictures, films, etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement"
Well shit, apparently all Americans DO is watch porn!
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