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It's funny how he never seems to mention the narrative, which was, bar-none, the absolute worst aspect of the game
I enjoyed Heavy Rain for the strange experiment that it was. Would like to see more games like it in the future.
this guy is running for "biggest dick in the games industry" with a drive that, if used for his actual games, would make them amazing
"With the team, we were pretty much unhappy with everything. We thought we could have done a better job in all areas, and have better rendering, and better visuals, and better gameplay, and better everything."
You can't moan about needing better gameplay until the game actually has some sort of vague gameplay which Heavy Rain did not
You can't moan about needing better gameplay until the game actually has some sort of vague gameplay which Heavy Rain did not
I rented it and gave it a shot, it just wasn't for me. Indigo Prophecy, flaws and all (and despite the fact I still haven't beat it in 3 years of sporadic playing) is just a more interesting game.
I would by lying if I said I wasn't excited for his next game and the news that is certain to come from E3.
The Kara demo was, honestly, really impressive. That it was a year old tech demo was astounding enough.
Heavy Rain was engaging so long as you didn't try to put any thought into the story. Otherwise it became a "Wait a second. That doesn't make sense at all!" story.
The Kara demo was, honestly, really impressive. That it was a year old tech demo was astounding enough.
Heavy Rain was engaging so long as you didn't try to put any thought into the story. Otherwise it became a "Wait a second. That doesn't make sense at all!" story.
My only problem with it was the fucking twist ending. I was on board until the reveal that made absolutely no sense and treated the player following along with the story, piecing together clues, like an asshole.
Statement in timely fashion, considering the latest Jimquisition. Just read his enlisted priorities: "have better rendering, and better visuals, and better gameplay, and better everything." A logical, passable story should be their very first objective.
Most creators feel this way about their work. It's hard to compare the game you wanted to make in your head with the game you had to settle for because of real limitations.
That said, I thought Heavy Rain was great, up to the BS ending. Looking forward to QD's next project.
That said, I thought Heavy Rain was great, up to the BS ending. Looking forward to QD's next project.
Most creators feel this way about their work. It's hard to compare the game you wanted to make in your head with the game you had to settle for because of real limitations.
That said, I thought Heavy Rain was great, up to the BS ending. Looking forward to QD's next project.
That said, I thought Heavy Rain was great, up to the BS ending. Looking forward to QD's next project.
The story sucked monkey fuck and movment was close to broken but its action sequences were great. If they fixed those things it would be a classic.
David Cage is one of those people who I'd like to see operate on a shoestring budget to help filter out what's absolutely necessary to his game/vision and what just needs to go.
It just feels like in relation to his games, no one ever told him "No, that's stupid/ridiculous" and held their ground until he listened to them.
It just feels like in relation to his games, no one ever told him "No, that's stupid/ridiculous" and held their ground until he listened to them.
"...have better rendering, and better visuals, and better gameplay..."
How about a better villain reveal that doesn't rely in not showing you what really happens when you play?
Ever thought of that, or are you content with writing Scooby Doo type "mysteries"?
How about a better villain reveal that doesn't rely in not showing you what really happens when you play?
Ever thought of that, or are you content with writing Scooby Doo type "mysteries"?
Its really annoying how people walk on eggshells for David Cage.
He makes glorified point-and-click adventure games, stop treating them as otherwise. Its just a slap in the face to Lucasarts and Traveler's Tales, even Capcom and Level 5 to say Heavy Rain was ground breaking and ambitious. Myst, Maniac Mansion, Sam and Max, Monkey Island Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, Walking Dead all run circles around Cage's games.
He makes glorified point-and-click adventure games, stop treating them as otherwise. Its just a slap in the face to Lucasarts and Traveler's Tales, even Capcom and Level 5 to say Heavy Rain was ground breaking and ambitious. Myst, Maniac Mansion, Sam and Max, Monkey Island Ace Attorney, Professor Layton, Walking Dead all run circles around Cage's games.
I laughed reading this. He comes off as Peter Molyneux Mk II. This is just too funny to read.
Dear Mr. Cage, a good video game is not constituted by how realistic your characters eyeball movements are, or how... "good" your writing is. It actually needs to be fun to play. Holding down R2 to walk and silly Move controls are not what makes a decent game either. Stop being so pretentious, and get into indie film making, because its clearly where you want to be. Though, I doubt the acting will be very good.
Dear Mr. Cage, a good video game is not constituted by how realistic your characters eyeball movements are, or how... "good" your writing is. It actually needs to be fun to play. Holding down R2 to walk and silly Move controls are not what makes a decent game either. Stop being so pretentious, and get into indie film making, because its clearly where you want to be. Though, I doubt the acting will be very good.
An' another thing: would Cage or Molyneux or any other jagoff say these kinds of things about their games closer to their release while they are still trying to sell well? Doubt it.
So, am I the only one who liked Heavy Rain? I'd go as far as to say that's like the 3rd best exclusive on the PS3, the presentation is great, the story is decent and the gameplay IS there.
I was actually going to give him some props for that first quote. Admitting you could do better is always admirable, and after seeing Kara I think the team has potential.
Then he goes on to blame the games marketing and tech. I'll admit less screen tearing would have made for a better experience, but that wasn't the problem it was the writing. Good writing is more important than tech. The Phoenix Wright games may have reused alot of assets, and some of the sprites needed touching up, but when it came to writing those games delivered which made up for the presentation, and made those games incredible.
It doesn't matter how artsy your camera angles are, or how realistic you're motion capture is, it won't mask a shitty story .
Also this game wasn't as unique as some people say it is. It was an adventure game with alot of interactivity cut out. Essentially an adventure game with everything good about the genre gutted out. The "choices" weren't even really choices it was basically do quick time event, and if you pass or fail it or not it might alter the ending.
And last and most importantly if it going to be a videogame it has to benefit from being a videogame. Heavy Rain did not benefit from being a game. The interactivity was so minimal that it added nothing to the experience, and the multiple endings just added more plot holes and asked for more suspense of disbelief. This reminds me back to my days in film class when my teacher mentioned that sometimes you need to realize that your film would be better suited as a book or for some other story telling medium. In this case this game would be better suited as a film (not saying it would make for a good film though).
Then he goes on to blame the games marketing and tech. I'll admit less screen tearing would have made for a better experience, but that wasn't the problem it was the writing. Good writing is more important than tech. The Phoenix Wright games may have reused alot of assets, and some of the sprites needed touching up, but when it came to writing those games delivered which made up for the presentation, and made those games incredible.
It doesn't matter how artsy your camera angles are, or how realistic you're motion capture is, it won't mask a shitty story .
Also this game wasn't as unique as some people say it is. It was an adventure game with alot of interactivity cut out. Essentially an adventure game with everything good about the genre gutted out. The "choices" weren't even really choices it was basically do quick time event, and if you pass or fail it or not it might alter the ending.
And last and most importantly if it going to be a videogame it has to benefit from being a videogame. Heavy Rain did not benefit from being a game. The interactivity was so minimal that it added nothing to the experience, and the multiple endings just added more plot holes and asked for more suspense of disbelief. This reminds me back to my days in film class when my teacher mentioned that sometimes you need to realize that your film would be better suited as a book or for some other story telling medium. In this case this game would be better suited as a film (not saying it would make for a good film though).
I’ll give Cage a break this time, even though he did completely sidestep admitting the story was bad.
But man, if he thinks better visuals and rendering are what his games are lacking then it’s just gonna be the same mistakes all over again with this new thing. I could give him the benefit of the doubt, but this’ll be the third strike if he doesn’t listen to what people are saying.
But man, if he thinks better visuals and rendering are what his games are lacking then it’s just gonna be the same mistakes all over again with this new thing. I could give him the benefit of the doubt, but this’ll be the third strike if he doesn’t listen to what people are saying.
oh boy the game looks okay. haven't played it yet but what the fuck hold R2 to walk??
the hell O____O
the hell O____O
I consider myself a fairly passive kind of guy but there's something about this cunt that makes mw want to hulk smash his face in.
He's like that hipster twat we all know who is so busy trying to show the world how special and unique he is that alienation and pure, vicious, hellacious anger is all he gets back.
Why can't he just make games and leave the pr to someone who isn't a clueless arrogant fuck face?
He's like that hipster twat we all know who is so busy trying to show the world how special and unique he is that alienation and pure, vicious, hellacious anger is all he gets back.
Why can't he just make games and leave the pr to someone who isn't a clueless arrogant fuck face?
Yup, he's definitely back from the grave to spread his dead words. So now I have to put up with political ramble from presidential candidates and more BS words from Cage? Cryogenic freezing for the next few months. Please.
Cage is a poo poo head , he needs to make a game not a crappy point and click adventure with no choices. Honestly it was worse than that x files cd Rom game that came on about 20 discs.
"David Cage has always reminded me of Peter Molyneux. They are both ambitious, European, and balding."
Don't forget male and probably human, at the very least they are both bipedal mammals.
Don't forget male and probably human, at the very least they are both bipedal mammals.
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