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I'm pretty sure by now everyone accepts that promotional materials are just that.
I mean, really, marketing has become more about showing you something so full of hyperbole in this day and age, that getting anything close to what was advertised is a victory.
Not a negative post by any stretch, but I seem to remember a casting audition for Heavy Rain that featured a scene and character I'm pretty sure didn't make it into the game. And this is despite how moving it was.
I mean, really, marketing has become more about showing you something so full of hyperbole in this day and age, that getting anything close to what was advertised is a victory.
Not a negative post by any stretch, but I seem to remember a casting audition for Heavy Rain that featured a scene and character I'm pretty sure didn't make it into the game. And this is despite how moving it was.
Can see his point, much like the one Jim raised about the Dragons Age dishonest advertising. But I think whether a fan or not of Natal, most people would realise that you can't hold up a board and have it magically erase your fingers holding it and take images of it as if it had been scanned.
No, but the point is there. Image-scanning can be done with Natal. We've seen it done. I'm really not sure what Cage is annoyed by.
As for the Dragon Age promo materials being dishonest--I'm not sure. I never saw the CGI trailers until very recently, and all I had to go on were the in-game engine cutscene trailers. Those were pretty damn sweet and, well, convinced me to purchase.
As for the Dragon Age promo materials being dishonest--I'm not sure. I never saw the CGI trailers until very recently, and all I had to go on were the in-game engine cutscene trailers. Those were pretty damn sweet and, well, convinced me to purchase.
Natal will fail....mark my words.....it just seems like it will be too difficult to develop a vast amount of quality games for, and, it's coming way too late into Xbox 360's life cycle.
He's got a point. Those of us that don't spend our days reading video game blogs might not be familiar with the ins and outs of Natal and actually believe it could do something similar to what the promotional material suggests it can do.
It's not that big a deal as I'm sure it's not intentionally dishonest, and David Cage doesn't seem to making that big a deal out of it, but it is a bit misleading and he's right to bring it up.
It's not that big a deal as I'm sure it's not intentionally dishonest, and David Cage doesn't seem to making that big a deal out of it, but it is a bit misleading and he's right to bring it up.
But how is it misleading, if the hardware can do what it's advertised? The whole ray laser scanning, I'm pretty sure that won't actually happen. You know, the visual identifier, but that's like when I was a young boy and seeing a Jurassic Park T-Rex toy, the kid on the commercial pressed a button and "ROAR!" came out of its with in big, bold letters with appropriate sound effects.
Not once did I ever think the text would actually happen, but the toy sure as hell made that sound.
Not once did I ever think the text would actually happen, but the toy sure as hell made that sound.
Why do you think it is way too late in the xbox cycle? Is move for the ps3 too late too? I'm not sure it is, but you could be right. I think it may be too late if both move and natal does not do well, missed opportunities, or if new systems are released within a couple years...But it appears a new system may not be around the corner-i think both MS and Sony are trying to extend the consoles life cycle, well the ps already proves it has a long cycle, MS has yet to prove that.
I am most frustrated by all the fake smiles by fake families in these gaming ads (worst on Wii Fit and such). The fact that it's misrepresenting the final experience is nothing new to commercials, comparing to many TV commercials this is quite believable (which makes it easier to get fooled by as well).
Also, why are all these commercials in designer living rooms with products right out of IKEA? Most gamers play in a room where there aren't much space left for full body waggle and a 3 meter distance between camera and such.
Also, why are all these commercials in designer living rooms with products right out of IKEA? Most gamers play in a room where there aren't much space left for full body waggle and a 3 meter distance between camera and such.
Good point Strandi. I don't know many living rooms that have a TON of space like they show in commercials. And commercials are always full of BS! All companys are guilty of that, fast food, gaming, clothing, electronics, free credit report, etc.. They all misrepresent to a point. I mean I can't remember every going to BK or MC'ds and getting a burger that looks JUST like the one in the commercials! They always look half the size and sorry looking.
I think David Cage was lying because he kept telling me Heavy Rain was all that and a bag of chips, and I played it and it was underwhelming.
See, David Cage? I can do it too.
See, David Cage? I can do it too.
You guys have a point. Advertising is always misleading, so this really isn't an indictment of MS so much as advertising as a whole. MS hasn't really done anything wrong here, but ... I think maybe the difference is that we all know what a cheeseburger is and how it works. No matter how you screw with it, it's pretty much always some variation of the bread-meat-cheese scenario. Natal, on the other hand, is a completely unknown entity and the ONLY thing we have to go on is what they tell us.
I will buy natal when they release "Punch a girl in the boob game" or "Rub sunlotion on the doa girls extreme" FAP FAP!!!1
Who the fuck he think he is?
I mean, he wrote one hell of a bad game.
And bitch's on peripherals? Seriously?
I mean, he wrote one hell of a bad game.
And bitch's on peripherals? Seriously?
@AlLeBlanc
Well I mean, I've personally never contributed anything of any value to mankind, and I'm bitching too. That's the beauty of the internet. You don't have to have earned the ability to complain. It's an inalienable right.
Well I mean, I've personally never contributed anything of any value to mankind, and I'm bitching too. That's the beauty of the internet. You don't have to have earned the ability to complain. It's an inalienable right.
I find it quite amusing how several posts here are angrier at Cage for being "frustrated" at how Natal is marketed than Cage is himself at the product. He even says he's interested in how others will implement it. I mean this is barely news at all, but people somehow see this as either a praising point for Heavy Rain or an all out assault against Natal.
By now, we all know David Cage has absolutely no concept of the word 'marketing.'
He could barely market his own movie/game/interactive fiction/whateverthefuck clearly. If he can't figure out his own product, he's not really in a position to form an opinion on anything else.
He could barely market his own movie/game/interactive fiction/whateverthefuck clearly. If he can't figure out his own product, he's not really in a position to form an opinion on anything else.
Nah I don't think I'll be bah'ing with the sheep on this one because this sites userbase feels like shitting on Heavy Rain or it's creator whenever brought up.
I will say atleast I have to question whether that kids hand will show up as part of the skateboard design though. Like with everything (including Heavy Rain bahhh) it's usually never presented as well as it's final
Product will be.
I will say atleast I have to question whether that kids hand will show up as part of the skateboard design though. Like with everything (including Heavy Rain bahhh) it's usually never presented as well as it's final
Product will be.
I cant wait to see the reactions of many Natal supporters everywhere when they realize their living room space isn't big enough to play Natal.
@Josh Rousen
I'm disappointed your parents decided to procreate. Seriously, of all the intelligent and constructive input you could have put forth, you put the one fanboyishly retarded remark. One that's not incredibly original, either.
"lolheavyrainisamovie" Why thank you, /v/-incarnate. It's not like anyone else hasn't said that before you.
I'm disappointed your parents decided to procreate. Seriously, of all the intelligent and constructive input you could have put forth, you put the one fanboyishly retarded remark. One that's not incredibly original, either.
"lolheavyrainisamovie" Why thank you, /v/-incarnate. It's not like anyone else hasn't said that before you.
Car adverts in the UK feature cars doing somersaults and grinds, forming out of metal blobs, and shooting lasers from their headlights. David Cage would crap himself if he saw them.
Not a negative post by any stretch, but I seem to remember a casting audition for Heavy Rain that featured a scene and character I'm pretty sure didn't make it into the game. And this is despite how moving it was.
Huge difference between a demo scene and showing off technology that isn't actually possible through marketing videos. Of course, Sony did the exact same thing years ago with the PS3 EyeToy (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/-ps3-eye-toy-exclusive/20360).
And, also, the character in that demo didn't make it into the game, but the actress and her model did make it in as the prostitute who had previously lost a son to the Origami Killer.
Huge difference between a demo scene and showing off technology that isn't actually possible through marketing videos. Of course, Sony did the exact same thing years ago with the PS3 EyeToy (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/-ps3-eye-toy-exclusive/20360).
And, also, the character in that demo didn't make it into the game, but the actress and her model did make it in as the prostitute who had previously lost a son to the Origami Killer.
Hardock, I think the thing you're misconstruing is that Cage isn't doubtful Natal will work, he is perturbed by its advertising. That's all.
@loki d20
I made that point because it fits with the theme of advertising something as something it isn't. Demo scene or not (and a fantastic one at that--it made me buy a PS3), the advertised scene was not included in the final game. The actress/model may have made it (haven't played Heavy Rain--oddly enough, a flood in my basement killed my PS3), but the moving and engaging scene did not.
With that demo, Heavy Rain did not feel like a murder thriller, it felt like a drama. A real, honest to god no bullshit vid'ya game cliches drama. That is what the game advertised as to me... and it wasn't (nothing wrong with that).
@loki d20
I made that point because it fits with the theme of advertising something as something it isn't. Demo scene or not (and a fantastic one at that--it made me buy a PS3), the advertised scene was not included in the final game. The actress/model may have made it (haven't played Heavy Rain--oddly enough, a flood in my basement killed my PS3), but the moving and engaging scene did not.
With that demo, Heavy Rain did not feel like a murder thriller, it felt like a drama. A real, honest to god no bullshit vid'ya game cliches drama. That is what the game advertised as to me... and it wasn't (nothing wrong with that).
Ah, I see. I misread your comment. Apologies.
In that light, I have the same problem with his statement. We've already seen video proof that Natal can scan images on the spot, in the game. I'm not sure what kind of proof he's looking for.
In that light, I have the same problem with his statement. We've already seen video proof that Natal can scan images on the spot, in the game. I'm not sure what kind of proof he's looking for.
i agree with hardock, it's not going to do that stuff, so they shouldnt tell people it's going to. Just like the girl trying on clothes through the TV, showing her in different outfits in real time. It's all bullshit. It's not going to do anything like that.
Those video game commercials or promotional trailers are all well and good but I don't ever rely on them to accurately represent how a game will play and feel. I leave that to reviewers and videos. Also, gotta love the David Cage hate. Where does it come from? Where does it go? Why?
(adopts indeterminate European accent) "Eeees not goot for the eeemotional and storytellink to flap the arm around like cheeken. Eees much better to tell eemotional cleeche James Patterson seereal keeler story with the qweek time events."
Honestly, I harbour a little haterade for David Cage. I do this because I do not have a PS3 at the moment, and will not have one for the foreseeable future.
I really wanted to play Heavy Rain, even as far back as '06.
I really wanted to play Heavy Rain, even as far back as '06.
I know it's already been mentioned, but how is the image scanning of the skateboard dishonest? If I can scan my face with the 360's camera and put it on a Rainbow Six model, I don't see why I won't be able to scan the picture on a skateboard and put it on a model of a skateboard.
@nintendo fanboy.
ya its a game and its 87 in metacritic which almost 90% of wii games can never reach.
ya its a game and its 87 in metacritic which almost 90% of wii games can never reach.
lol. People can not read ?
The guy talk about the PRESENTATION.
The skate part, it seem "unreal" because
1st, the kid hand are visible on the skate.
2nd, the kid just said like : Scan this Natal ! and then go play with his scanned skate board ?
He was surely talking about the racing thing too. You REALLLY believe, that 4 persons on a sofa will be analyse by the Natal thing ? and your friend can enter in the game "on the go" for doing some tire-changing?
I really dont believe that natal will be able to "See" more then 2 people in front of it.
And seriously, the Marketing of Natal is soooooooooooooooo unreal. Remember the monster game with the kid ??? Look fake as hell.
The girl webcam chatting and choosing our clothes ? Really ?
The only real game was the mario paints one.
Compare it to the PS Move ads on Youtube, all you see is "real" ( but not directly played, lol the So-Com guy seem not playing for truth lol )
The guy talk about the PRESENTATION.
The skate part, it seem "unreal" because
1st, the kid hand are visible on the skate.
2nd, the kid just said like : Scan this Natal ! and then go play with his scanned skate board ?
He was surely talking about the racing thing too. You REALLLY believe, that 4 persons on a sofa will be analyse by the Natal thing ? and your friend can enter in the game "on the go" for doing some tire-changing?
I really dont believe that natal will be able to "See" more then 2 people in front of it.
And seriously, the Marketing of Natal is soooooooooooooooo unreal. Remember the monster game with the kid ??? Look fake as hell.
The girl webcam chatting and choosing our clothes ? Really ?
The only real game was the mario paints one.
Compare it to the PS Move ads on Youtube, all you see is "real" ( but not directly played, lol the So-Com guy seem not playing for truth lol )
I'm sorry but how many of us have that much room inbetween our TV's and our couch to play these games, does that not look overboard to anybody else. Its like you need to remove said couch to fully experiance the "Natal"
I'm thinking I'll be fine sitting down with my "move" setup. I played Metroid curruption sitting on my love sack using the Wiimote.
I'm thinking I'll be fine sitting down with my "move" setup. I played Metroid curruption sitting on my love sack using the Wiimote.
David Cage's reputation aside, it is worth noting that since the announcement of Project Natal, all we have seen are Eye/toy features plus leg tracking.
You'd think over the past year they would be drip feeding us with info and demonstrations of the other features they claimed in the promo.
You'd think over the past year they would be drip feeding us with info and demonstrations of the other features they claimed in the promo.
Cage is upset at sci-fi presentations? How about ARI in Heavy Rain? Something like that is completely unfeasible for quite some time.
I think david cage is a douche for a few reasons.
1. He hates video games and think their immature and too good for them.
2. He acts like heavy rain is so deep and well written and far beyond all other games.
3. hes a smug bastard that looks down on gamers like us "OH I AM SORRY DAVID CAGE THAT YOU FAILED IN THE MOVIE INDUSTRY"
He hates games, hates technology and if he could he would make crappy indi movies where two people sit at a dinner table and talk for 2 hours. DRAMATIC!
I remember buying my PS3 thinking OH whoa Killzone 2 is gonna have CGI level graphics? WHOA ITS IN GAME!. . . . . . wait nope that was CGI.
david cage loves the smell of his own farts.
1. He hates video games and think their immature and too good for them.
2. He acts like heavy rain is so deep and well written and far beyond all other games.
3. hes a smug bastard that looks down on gamers like us "OH I AM SORRY DAVID CAGE THAT YOU FAILED IN THE MOVIE INDUSTRY"
He hates games, hates technology and if he could he would make crappy indi movies where two people sit at a dinner table and talk for 2 hours. DRAMATIC!
I remember buying my PS3 thinking OH whoa Killzone 2 is gonna have CGI level graphics? WHOA ITS IN GAME!. . . . . . wait nope that was CGI.
david cage loves the smell of his own farts.
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