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David Cage 'frustrated' by Microsoft's 'sci-fi' Natal presentation photo

Quantic Dream has already talked up its interest in motion controls, having even at one point designed its own controller for Heavy Rain. Vague hints have even been dropped that a future update could bring PlayStation Move support to its latest hit, Heavy Rain, as well.

As for Microsoft's own motion control technology, Project Natal, Quantic Dream co-founder and co-CEO David Cage remains skeptical.

"I've seen Natal, and I'm really curious to see what they're going to do with it," he tells me, before adding, "I was a bit frustrated that they presented it with a sci-fi-type presentation."

Cage refers to the Microsoft promotional video that premiered at last year's E3. It's a montage of folks using Natal to play concept titles (like racing, soccer, and fighting games), and interacting with the Xbox 360 using only hand gestures and voice. But there was one demonstration that seemed to irk Cage the most.

"When the kid comes in with the skateboard and the laser ray, scanning the skateboard, and then it's in the game," he says, rolling his eyes. He explains that the ability to take pictures and than map images into a game is possible, but not to the extent that the Natal promo video would like us to believe. "We are in the industry; we know what's feasible and what's not."

"I thought it was a little bit lying to present it that way," he adds, "because it will let [consumers] think that they will [see] something that they are not really close to getting."

On Sunday, June 13, at E3 this year, Microsoft is set to reveal its final plans for Project Natal, and "the first look at the future of fun." Whether or not that will involve scanning skateboards with laser rays remains to be seen. But as far as Cage is considered, it's not likely.








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Captain Opinionated's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:26
Captain Opinionated
I'm pretty sure by now everyone accepts that promotional materials are just that.

I mean, really, marketing has become more about showing you something so full of hyperbole in this day and age, that getting anything close to what was advertised is a victory.

Not a negative post by any stretch, but I seem to remember a casting audition for Heavy Rain that featured a scene and character I'm pretty sure didn't make it into the game. And this is despite how moving it was.
ParticleSt0rm's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:29
ParticleSt0rm
Can see his point, much like the one Jim raised about the Dragons Age dishonest advertising. But I think whether a fan or not of Natal, most people would realise that you can't hold up a board and have it magically erase your fingers holding it and take images of it as if it had been scanned.
Captain Opinionated's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:32
Captain Opinionated
No, but the point is there. Image-scanning can be done with Natal. We've seen it done. I'm really not sure what Cage is annoyed by.

As for the Dragon Age promo materials being dishonest--I'm not sure. I never saw the CGI trailers until very recently, and all I had to go on were the in-game engine cutscene trailers. Those were pretty damn sweet and, well, convinced me to purchase.
JQM78's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:33
JQM78
Natal will fail....mark my words.....it just seems like it will be too difficult to develop a vast amount of quality games for, and, it's coming way too late into Xbox 360's life cycle.
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:36
Brian Slaughter
He's got a point. Those of us that don't spend our days reading video game blogs might not be familiar with the ins and outs of Natal and actually believe it could do something similar to what the promotional material suggests it can do.

It's not that big a deal as I'm sure it's not intentionally dishonest, and David Cage doesn't seem to making that big a deal out of it, but it is a bit misleading and he's right to bring it up.
Captain Opinionated's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:40
Captain Opinionated
But how is it misleading, if the hardware can do what it's advertised? The whole ray laser scanning, I'm pretty sure that won't actually happen. You know, the visual identifier, but that's like when I was a young boy and seeing a Jurassic Park T-Rex toy, the kid on the commercial pressed a button and "ROAR!" came out of its with in big, bold letters with appropriate sound effects.

Not once did I ever think the text would actually happen, but the toy sure as hell made that sound.
Mastrmeatwad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:41
Mastrmeatwad
Why do you think it is way too late in the xbox cycle? Is move for the ps3 too late too? I'm not sure it is, but you could be right. I think it may be too late if both move and natal does not do well, missed opportunities, or if new systems are released within a couple years...But it appears a new system may not be around the corner-i think both MS and Sony are trying to extend the consoles life cycle, well the ps already proves it has a long cycle, MS has yet to prove that.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:41
Strandli
I am most frustrated by all the fake smiles by fake families in these gaming ads (worst on Wii Fit and such). The fact that it's misrepresenting the final experience is nothing new to commercials, comparing to many TV commercials this is quite believable (which makes it easier to get fooled by as well).

Also, why are all these commercials in designer living rooms with products right out of IKEA? Most gamers play in a room where there aren't much space left for full body waggle and a 3 meter distance between camera and such.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:44
Chronic Logic
It's also misleading to show people having fun playing Natal.
Mastrmeatwad's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:45
Mastrmeatwad
Good point Strandi. I don't know many living rooms that have a TON of space like they show in commercials. And commercials are always full of BS! All companys are guilty of that, fast food, gaming, clothing, electronics, free credit report, etc.. They all misrepresent to a point. I mean I can't remember every going to BK or MC'ds and getting a burger that looks JUST like the one in the commercials! They always look half the size and sorry looking.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:49
Shadowiii
I think David Cage was lying because he kept telling me Heavy Rain was all that and a bag of chips, and I played it and it was underwhelming.
See, David Cage? I can do it too.
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:49
Brian Slaughter
You guys have a point. Advertising is always misleading, so this really isn't an indictment of MS so much as advertising as a whole. MS hasn't really done anything wrong here, but ... I think maybe the difference is that we all know what a cheeseburger is and how it works. No matter how you screw with it, it's pretty much always some variation of the bread-meat-cheese scenario. Natal, on the other hand, is a completely unknown entity and the ONLY thing we have to go on is what they tell us.
filijonken's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:50
filijonken
I will buy natal when they release "Punch a girl in the boob game" or "Rub sunlotion on the doa girls extreme" FAP FAP!!!1
Ramalho's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:50
Ramalho
I'm gonna buy Natal so I can be as cool as the skater kid in the ads. =D
AlLeBlanc's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:50
AlLeBlanc
Who the fuck he think he is?
I mean, he wrote one hell of a bad game.
And bitch's on peripherals? Seriously?
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:51
superjay779
I think he is annoyed because he chose the wrong console to side with.
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:52
Brian Slaughter
@AlLeBlanc

Well I mean, I've personally never contributed anything of any value to mankind, and I'm bitching too. That's the beauty of the internet. You don't have to have earned the ability to complain. It's an inalienable right.
JiR INC's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 11:54
JiR INC
You mean this is a con O.O Shock shock horror horror!!!
Well I await Playstation Move :)
Ted Scott's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:00
Ted Scott
I find it quite amusing how several posts here are angrier at Cage for being "frustrated" at how Natal is marketed than Cage is himself at the product. He even says he's interested in how others will implement it. I mean this is barely news at all, but people somehow see this as either a praising point for Heavy Rain or an all out assault against Natal.
Xai Xo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:02
Xai Xo
I'm disappointed that QD presented Heavy Rain as a game.
ChineseDogMeat's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:19
ChineseDogMeat
"I'm disappointed that QD presented Heavy Rain as a game."

lol
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:26
RenegadePanda
By now, we all know David Cage has absolutely no concept of the word 'marketing.'

He could barely market his own movie/game/interactive fiction/whateverthefuck clearly. If he can't figure out his own product, he's not really in a position to form an opinion on anything else.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:29
Ganjookie
"I'm disappointed that QD presented Heavy Rain as a game." lol x2
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:30
dj-anon
"I'm disappointed that QD presented Heavy Rain as a game"
lol x3 + qft
SkillzKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:32
SkillzKing
microsoft fail..natal fail..move fail...sony fail...NINTENDO ROXXXX
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:32
garethxxgod
Nah I don't think I'll be bah'ing with the sheep on this one because this sites userbase feels like shitting on Heavy Rain or it's creator whenever brought up.

I will say atleast I have to question whether that kids hand will show up as part of the skateboard design though. Like with everything (including Heavy Rain bahhh) it's usually never presented as well as it's final
Product will be.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:35
Xzyliac
I'm pretty sure we can all agree that Chronic Logic has won.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:45
Holyetheline
yeah i would be pissed too if i were cage.
Genius's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:46
Genius
I cant wait to see the reactions of many Natal supporters everywhere when they realize their living room space isn't big enough to play Natal.
AnonEmoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:54
AnonEmoose
@Josh Rousen

I'm disappointed your parents decided to procreate. Seriously, of all the intelligent and constructive input you could have put forth, you put the one fanboyishly retarded remark. One that's not incredibly original, either.

"lolheavyrainisamovie" Why thank you, /v/-incarnate. It's not like anyone else hasn't said that before you.
Jaffacakelover's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:55
Jaffacakelover
Car adverts in the UK feature cars doing somersaults and grinds, forming out of metal blobs, and shooting lasers from their headlights. David Cage would crap himself if he saw them.
loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 12:56
loki d20
Not a negative post by any stretch, but I seem to remember a casting audition for Heavy Rain that featured a scene and character I'm pretty sure didn't make it into the game. And this is despite how moving it was.

Huge difference between a demo scene and showing off technology that isn't actually possible through marketing videos. Of course, Sony did the exact same thing years ago with the PS3 EyeToy (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/-ps3-eye-toy-exclusive/20360).

And, also, the character in that demo didn't make it into the game, but the actress and her model did make it in as the prostitute who had previously lost a son to the Origami Killer.
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:06
superjay779
@ kwikpwn LMAO!!
Captain Opinionated's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:08
Captain Opinionated
Hardock, I think the thing you're misconstruing is that Cage isn't doubtful Natal will work, he is perturbed by its advertising. That's all.

@loki d20

I made that point because it fits with the theme of advertising something as something it isn't. Demo scene or not (and a fantastic one at that--it made me buy a PS3), the advertised scene was not included in the final game. The actress/model may have made it (haven't played Heavy Rain--oddly enough, a flood in my basement killed my PS3), but the moving and engaging scene did not.

With that demo, Heavy Rain did not feel like a murder thriller, it felt like a drama. A real, honest to god no bullshit vid'ya game cliches drama. That is what the game advertised as to me... and it wasn't (nothing wrong with that).
Captain Opinionated's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:17
Captain Opinionated
Ah, I see. I misread your comment. Apologies.

In that light, I have the same problem with his statement. We've already seen video proof that Natal can scan images on the spot, in the game. I'm not sure what kind of proof he's looking for.
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:17
funran
i agree with hardock, it's not going to do that stuff, so they shouldnt tell people it's going to. Just like the girl trying on clothes through the TV, showing her in different outfits in real time. It's all bullshit. It's not going to do anything like that.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:18
Occams electric toothbrush
Those video game commercials or promotional trailers are all well and good but I don't ever rely on them to accurately represent how a game will play and feel. I leave that to reviewers and videos. Also, gotta love the David Cage hate. Where does it come from? Where does it go? Why?
Prince Ghidorah's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:21
Prince Ghidorah
(adopts indeterminate European accent) "Eeees not goot for the eeemotional and storytellink to flap the arm around like cheeken. Eees much better to tell eemotional cleeche James Patterson seereal keeler story with the qweek time events."
Captain Opinionated's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:21
Captain Opinionated
Honestly, I harbour a little haterade for David Cage. I do this because I do not have a PS3 at the moment, and will not have one for the foreseeable future.

I really wanted to play Heavy Rain, even as far back as '06.
Stephen Beirne's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:39
Stephen Beirne
David Cage frustrated?

David Rage.
Ronsauce's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 13:39
Ronsauce
I know it's already been mentioned, but how is the image scanning of the skateboard dishonest? If I can scan my face with the 360's camera and put it on a Rainbow Six model, I don't see why I won't be able to scan the picture on a skateboard and put it on a model of a skateboard.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 14:29
Dv8thwonder
Heavy Rain is a game?
karooo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 14:56
karooo
@nintendo fanboy.

ya its a game and its 87 in metacritic which almost 90% of wii games can never reach.
Freequebec86's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 15:05
Freequebec86
lol. People can not read ?

The guy talk about the PRESENTATION.

The skate part, it seem "unreal" because

1st, the kid hand are visible on the skate.
2nd, the kid just said like : Scan this Natal ! and then go play with his scanned skate board ?

He was surely talking about the racing thing too. You REALLLY believe, that 4 persons on a sofa will be analyse by the Natal thing ? and your friend can enter in the game "on the go" for doing some tire-changing?

I really dont believe that natal will be able to "See" more then 2 people in front of it.

And seriously, the Marketing of Natal is soooooooooooooooo unreal. Remember the monster game with the kid ??? Look fake as hell.

The girl webcam chatting and choosing our clothes ? Really ?

The only real game was the mario paints one.

Compare it to the PS Move ads on Youtube, all you see is "real" ( but not directly played, lol the So-Com guy seem not playing for truth lol )
ryuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 15:08
ryuken
I'm sorry but how many of us have that much room inbetween our TV's and our couch to play these games, does that not look overboard to anybody else. Its like you need to remove said couch to fully experiance the "Natal"

I'm thinking I'll be fine sitting down with my "move" setup. I played Metroid curruption sitting on my love sack using the Wiimote.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 15:30
Monodi
i actually doubt Natal will be that powerful anyway, still it's a matter of wait and see
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 15:37
Johnny Justice
David Cage's reputation aside, it is worth noting that since the announcement of Project Natal, all we have seen are Eye/toy features plus leg tracking.

You'd think over the past year they would be drip feeding us with info and demonstrations of the other features they claimed in the promo.
Jeffery Harris's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 17:06
Jeffery Harris
the girl scaning the dress in was way worse and ultra fake. cant wait to see natal SURPASS GOD.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2010 18:56
KingSigy
Cage is upset at sci-fi presentations? How about ARI in Heavy Rain? Something like that is completely unfeasible for quite some time.
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