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Dave Jaffe keeps it real once again: Another call for a one console universe photo

Dave Jaffe is a multi-faceted man. When he's not openly criticizing the company that has written his pay checks for most of his career, feuding with gaming blogs, or actually working on the occasional game himself, he takes the time out to make hugely controversial statements about our industry that either work gamers into a fine lather of discontent or a make them beam from ear to ear with glee.

His latest statement is perhaps one of his tamest, but I'm sure it will still be enough to ruffle some feathers. He's making the old "One console to rule them all" argument we're all far too familiar with. What sets Jaffe apart from the pack is how un-rehearsed and genuine his thoughts sound.

Quoteth Jaffe- ""A lot of people will say: well, the game companies would never agree to this or that or the other. And to me, that is part of the problem our business has overall. Competition is great. But I think the leaders of the biggest groups should come together from time to time- like the big Mafia families do in the movies- and make some decisions together for the overall health of the business. Heck, maybe they already do this and I am just not aware. But if they do, they have not made the right decision on the one thing I think that could benefit gamers and game makers in a massive way: a single console." 

My thoughts after the jump.

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I agree with Jaffe one hundred percent. Like how movie studios are slowly deciding to support Blu-ray over HD DVD, game developers need support one console so a final "winner" can be crowned. That has never really happened before, as every five years or so we start all over with one, two, or even three new console formats. This is a big part of why gaming isn't more main stream. Casual consumers can't deal with being forced to "pick a side". They will wait until one format wins, then buy it. That's what they did with VHS/Beta, that's what they are doing now with Blu-ray/HD DVD, and that's what they will always do with game consoles unless the industry puts a stop to it. 

Let me be clear, I don't want a one console world, but I do want one universal programming format for all consoles to share. Like with PC's, multiple hardware developers could still be in competition, but they would all have to stick to the same format. If this happened, no hardware developer could use "console exclusives" to sell their inferior or over priced hardware ever again! W00T! Oh baby, that's a what I like!

Third party developers would also benefit, as install bases for various consoles would no longer be an issue. Imagine the risks third parties could take knowing that a game they made for the PS3 could also be played on the 360 and the Wii. The install base for the game would be at least 10 times larger, and so would be the potential for sales. 

I think the thing that holds the "one console future" back is simple short sightedness and greed. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft all want the "one console future". They just can't agree on who's console the "one console" should be. All three have been voting for themselves seven years running now, resulting in a three way tie that does nothing but limit the industry.

Third parties aren't much better, running scared from consoles that already have great games, hoping to their less than deserving titles will sell well on more barren hardware.  How many third party developers have said they are reluctant to develop for Nintendo consoles because they can't compete with Nintendo's first party releases? I'd try to count, but I have to got to sleep in eight hours so I don't have the time.

If we had one programming format for all consoles, third parties wouldn't need to worry about that kind of competition. There would be room for everyone. All that third parties would have to worry about is making the best games they could. Sadly, this is precisely what they don't want. As it is now, third parties can sell essentially the same game twice to the same people on by putting said game on two different consoles and adding the slightest differences between the two versions of the game.  In a one format future, such shenanigans would not be an option.

That's enough ranting for one day. What do you think, D-Toid? Surely there are pro's and con's to a one console future. If you were king, how would you have it?


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DarQraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 03:59
DarQraven
Also, (since there's no edit button), it's silly to assume that the main factor in chip/computer development is the consoles. Ever heard about science, research, space missions and the movie industry(SFX)?
DarQraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 05:44
DarQraven
This is not exclusive to MS, but typical.
Also, they've been screwing me over on two fronts (Windows gaming PC and xbox) whereas Nintendo and Sony can only do so with their respective consoles.
Because of that, MS carries a special place in my heart:)
DarQraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 05:45
DarQraven
Eh ... *has* a special place in my heart. Besides, this has little to nothing to do with the subject, so just read over that part of my post if you prefer;)
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 06:15
Jonathan Holmes
Again, I agree that there are potential downsides to a one console game programming language future (or one gaming operating system, or one gaming OS, or whatever you want to call it). I just don't think those potentials out weigh the potential for all the good things that could happen.

For instance-

The main reason the Wii is so under powered is that Nintendo wasn't sure if it was going to get killed by the PS3 and the 360. So they made the Wii cheap to produce. That way if they had to scrap the Wii Virtual Boy style, no big loss. So if it weren't for Nintendo being so scared of the competition, the Wii would probably would have taken the financial risk and made the Wii as powerful as the PS3. That would have been awesome, right?

And then some one could make a less powerful Wii knock off for cheaper, like the Vii except it really plays Wii games. So people would have the option to play it cheap but wouldn't be forced into it like they are now.

And keep in mind all developers are making games for this thing, so you're getting Drake's Fortune, BioShock, and Mario Galaxy all in the same place. And they're making as all kinds of different kinds of controllers for the thing too. So there would be none of the "Motion controls are the devil!" or "They are the future!" that we get now. Like how PC games give the option to play with joystick, keyboard and mouse, or keyboard alone, all would be customizable on the future super gaming OS.

AND-

Just as with PC's, people would inevitably come up with new OS's, just as they do with PC's. And also like PC's, you would be able to run these OS's on your standard console. So if M$ ends up being the winner, Nintendo could still make it's own gaming OS that would run on the M$ OS, just like you can run Linux or Mac OS out of Windows.

I realize this is a "rainbows and lollipops" scenario of a one gaming OS future, but it's a just as potentially accurate prediction as some of the "skull and crossbones" ones above.

In fact, I think the Wii-remote would have actually come out sooner if it weren't for multi-gaming OS competition. Nintendo had it ready to roll back in GC days, but again were too scared to release it. Why? They thought they'd get their asses kicked by the other guys.

Competition is all well and good, but not when it leads to less risk taking by game and hardware developers. In a one gaming OS future, risk would be encouraged and healthy competition would be everywhere!

(stared into clouds, dreams about the PSWii60 and sighs)
ScYze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 06:58
ScYze
Some of you guys should read up on David Jaffe's BLOG before you post your criticism and name-calling. Seriously, most of you misunderstood what he is saying and started the trolling. What you read here is not his full take on the idea, he asks this in a QUESTION not a freaking statement. Again, you misunderstand his idea on a unified console so go read his blog.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 10:06
Cheeburga
Yeah, with one console there would be no push to make a better system.
One console = silly.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 10:13
Cowboy TTop
Jaffe must have been playing too much Nights on Wii, because while a sugary idea, he's in a pipedream land.

The reality of the games industry now is a different beast. One need only look at the PC. While on the outside it looks quite ordinary, inside every PC has multiple parts from several manufacturers. With a console, all these parts would be standard. This is the PC's biggest problem as much as it is its strength.

Each console available right now, are different ideas or philosphies or how those people/companies see the industry and how it should be for games. The beauty of competition is you can learn from each other and in turn improve you hand to play next time. In this regard, Sony, MS and even Nintendo have borrowed ideas from each other.

And who's benefited? The consumer. I'm sure if Sega hadn't entered the market, Nintendo would have sat still and done little like they used to. This is the reason SNES got to the market so late, because Nintendo got fat on NES profits and didn't consider to move against Sega's Megadrive/Genesis surprise, until it was almost too late.

Nice one Jaffe, but stick to making games.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 10:14
king3vbo
Its silly. Competition is one of the things that keeps the industry alive.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 11:06
xenon
Some thoughts:

- The beneficial effects of competition are largely overrated. From a practical point of view, development towards the "next gen" would still exist because they need to sell you hardware again. Hardware makers usually like to sell hardware. ;)

- A unified platform with open specifications would be a useless duplicate of the PC and would lose one of the strongest points in favour of consoles: every game is designed to run on this exact hardware setup and is made to fully exploit its capabilities.

- Finally, exclusives only benefit hardware makers and are a nuisance for everyone else, so they clearly need to die. This leaves us with multiplatform development, which means wasting resources on recreating the same game on increasignly diverging hardware. The 360 and the PS3 have comparable horsepower but radically different architectures: certainly not helpful for game developers.

I say: pick a CPU, a GPU and a RAM stick (and related control chips if needed). They must be all the same. Then Sony, MS, Nintendo and anyone else can play with hard disks, multimedia capabilities, price, shape and whatnot.

P.S. Not willing to bash the Wii, but... it's not a different path, it's just a smart commercial move. The Wii is just a couple of peripherals. A PS3 with a light gun is a Wii. I hope I made myself clear.
Namelessted's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 12:58
Namelessted
I need to read through all of the comments later but i need to just put this out there.

A single console future will not happen.
the consumer does not want it to happen.
the game developers do not want it to happen.
and the system creators do not want it to happen.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 13:37
Dexter345
How would that even work with the Wii against the other systems? It's entirely different, in controls and power. It would make no sense to program a game for it and have it work on the 360, or vice versa.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 13:43
Necros
All I can say is I don't agree. Competition helps the industry so much, forcing developers and the big three to continually attempt to out-do each other and spurring creativity. If casual consumers can't figure this stuff out, they don't deserve to be gaming. It's pretty simple: PS3 games play on a PS3. Wii games play on a Wii. The time of ignorance is over; they need to stop playing dumb and use some common sense.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 17:45
Orionsaint
Xenon, one thing we can benefit from a nonone system world is influence, look at what GTAIII did, by spawning the open world genre.
xenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 20:20
xenon
Sorry Orionsaint, I don't get your point. The GTA3 effect worked on a software level, while we are talking about hardware here.
AirborneToxicEvent's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2008 21:02
AirborneToxicEvent
As someone who feels that the multi-system console aspect of the gaming industry has killed several classic and amazing games (such as the Fallout Series, Elder Scrolls, GTA, Command and Conquer - although it's to be expected from EA, etc.). Orionsaint, I respect your opinion, and your observation, but I relish the third-person sandbox view of the DOS versions. I love simplicity, but not a mindless grind like some old school games were (now replaced by flashing WoW and Guitar Hero type games). Rambling aside, Jonathan Holmes, you're doing an awesome job, thank you.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/15/2008 05:36
Fading Star
"But I think the leaders of the biggest groups should come together from time to time- like the big Mafia families do in the movies- and make some decisions together for the overall health of the business"

My favorite part.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2008 15:24
Timmeh
I can't understand how people can argue that consumers don't want or wouldn't benefit from a one console future.

Not having to buy a whole new console to play a couple of games/ seems good to me, where's the drawback.

Oh yes, the 'stagnation of hardware/software'. Because nobody would bother releasing newer hardware every few years if there was a universal architecture... Are some of you brain damaged? You do realise that hardware development is fuelled by the PC market and not the console market? So you're telling me if Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo all adopted a single architecture that the big hardware guys would stop the technology arms race?

Didn't think so.
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