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Talk about the laziest port ever. More exiting news will be when GfWL can be stripped out.
Psh, those massonchists.
Psh, those massonchists.
Honestly patches are great an all, but I think they've made devs lazy and they release their games unfinished e.g. Skyrim.
Oh and you guys should read the new 52 aquaman comics, he's a doped up bad ass pimp fresh mofo
Oh and you guys should read the new 52 aquaman comics, he's a doped up bad ass pimp fresh mofo
"It's kind of pathetic how a single person was able to fix such glaring issues, unpaid, in spare time, while the people who were employed to port it either didn't know how or lazily left the issues untouched. It's both a testament to the excellence of PC modders, and a damning indictment of the professional industry's attitude toward the market. "
If I didn't know better I would accuse you of sneaking into my house at night dressed as ninja and stealing my thoughts as I slept. Oh god I hope that's all you did O.o
If I didn't know better I would accuse you of sneaking into my house at night dressed as ninja and stealing my thoughts as I slept. Oh god I hope that's all you did O.o
Yep, I'm calling laziness on this one. I have sincere doubts that nobody on the porting team couldn't have done the exact same thing.
I'm wondering if it's more laziness/ineptitude that cause these or the fact that publishers simply don't give a shit about quality.
Bravo to Durante for putting in the effort and finishing off what should of already been done.
Both disgraceful and embarrassing for the company.
Both disgraceful and embarrassing for the company.
Japanese developers really have no fucking clue how a PC game works and instead of actually tapping into the market and learning how to port or develop for PC or just hiring people who do know, they rather stay with their outdated consoles, disgusting. Nice Red Dwarf reference though Jim, don't see them very often.
This game is an absolute masterpiece! Kudos to FROM for creating it. My fave of all time. For this reason i"ll forgive the laziness and be thankful they were inspired to expand upon the haunting story/world.
@Freakydemon
Yeah, because Darksiders 2, From Dust, and so many others are from a Japanese company, right?
Yeah, because Darksiders 2, From Dust, and so many others are from a Japanese company, right?
Yes it was 23 minutes after launch, no it did not take him 23 minutes. Read the actual information Durante wrote in his posts. He had been working on it for a while before release, the 23 minutes was just what needed to be changed from his previous work once he had the game.
"...and a damning indictment of the professional industry's attitude toward the market." Being a little too harsh there mate, the developers were quite frank about their relative inexperience with PC development and we mustn't forget that this was a company really listening to the community and giving them what they wanted--maybe not in the most perfect form but still.
Reminds me how consoles are indeed NOT just shitty PCs.
I've been a PC gamer since my dad taught me how to use DOS when I was 6, and we've been dealing with these kind of issues since the beginning. While problems like this are unfortunate, it's almost a point of pride for PC gamers to have to work a little harder to get their games working the way they want.
I've been a PC gamer since my dad taught me how to use DOS when I was 6, and we've been dealing with these kind of issues since the beginning. While problems like this are unfortunate, it's almost a point of pride for PC gamers to have to work a little harder to get their games working the way they want.
Well considering From Software themselves admit they have no clue how to code for PC it was expected some screw ups
Also the frame issues are fixed, because they were only related to hardware power and most peoples PCs will probably rape this game.
I haven't seen a dip anywhere in frame rate even with this mod active.
I haven't seen a dip anywhere in frame rate even with this mod active.
it's a shame the port was lazy :(
the game is a MASTERPIECE, they should treat and serve it as a MASTERPIECE.
also From did Ninja Blade, which im pretty ran at 60FPS and higher resolutions??????
if they're having a hard time porting it, why not ask CD Projeckt through Namco??
the game is a MASTERPIECE, they should treat and serve it as a MASTERPIECE.
also From did Ninja Blade, which im pretty ran at 60FPS and higher resolutions??????
if they're having a hard time porting it, why not ask CD Projeckt through Namco??
While I agree with you on your opinion on the industry, I think this one is a case of the developers not knowing what their doing with PCs and probably having a shoestring budget and didn't want to pay for someone to fix the resolution and what they thought was frame rate problems that came with them.
Are you sure it's locked to 1024x768? That's not widescreen.
Or is this some "internal resolution" like on an emulator or Arma?
Will it be a squashed image?
Or is this some "internal resolution" like on an emulator or Arma?
Will it be a squashed image?
Reading through that post makes me glad I don't give a shit about graphics. Frame rate issues aside, I thought the game was gorgeous. Who are these people? I must know so as to avoid the caves they dwell in. Not that I am one for spelunking in the first place. To each their own though, I suppose.
I knew it was going to be a problematic port, but I also knew that the PC community would start fixing things up in short order. I think the developer did the best they could given their time and resources, and in good faith since we asked for this game. Hopefully they will pay attention to the community fixes and use it as a learning experience for the next PC title - and maybe try integrating some of those fixes into patching the game up!
So instead of hiring professionals in the field for a port of an adored and surprisingly successful game, they half it to the point where a single person fixes one of the biggest complaints in a week before launch, and people are defending this bullshit?
People loved the made-with-love ground beef that is Dark Souls, and when people asked for it to be a burger, they serve it in moldy ass buns. But that's okay, right? It's not like that mold sandwich would sell better if it was also made with love...
People loved the made-with-love ground beef that is Dark Souls, and when people asked for it to be a burger, they serve it in moldy ass buns. But that's okay, right? It's not like that mold sandwich would sell better if it was also made with love...
@Princeheir
They used keyframing, locking the animations to the frame rate (like a lot of older games did) so if you go beyond 30, the game just speeds up.
@Script-br
And those games are horrible Western ports but that doesn't change anything about the Japanese general incompetence, there are a lot of better or even good ports from Western games than decent Japanese ports. Thanks for derailing my point by the way.
@Stardog
It was locked at an internal 1024x720 or something in that region and upscaled from there on out.
They used keyframing, locking the animations to the frame rate (like a lot of older games did) so if you go beyond 30, the game just speeds up.
@Script-br
And those games are horrible Western ports but that doesn't change anything about the Japanese general incompetence, there are a lot of better or even good ports from Western games than decent Japanese ports. Thanks for derailing my point by the way.
@Stardog
It was locked at an internal 1024x720 or something in that region and upscaled from there on out.
I knew this was going to be a shit port, the devs admitted as much when they first announced their PC project but I in no way expected it to be this piss poor.
If they want my money, this goes for other devs too, they'll have to try a bit harder than that. Crikey!
If they want my money, this goes for other devs too, they'll have to try a bit harder than that. Crikey!
The game was already released, and this was a separate endeavor without immediate time constructions. I don't see why they would restrict the time and budget for an already completed piece of work at the expense of quality and potential sales.
@jimboxxx
Don't need to be a masochist to be good at this game. Most old school PC gamers would be right at home with this game.
It only wants you to play smartly, and if you play smartly you will not be punished. Similar to the original metal gear solid, which I would rank to the same level of "difficulty". If you didn't understand how the game was meant to be played you will FAIL miserably.
Of course you will die... unless you have the mental agility to figure out a plan of killing every single boss, or don't fumble on the controls once in a while when some environmental hazard is rolling your way. But tis the way with any game wouldn't ya say?
Don't need to be a masochist to be good at this game. Most old school PC gamers would be right at home with this game.
It only wants you to play smartly, and if you play smartly you will not be punished. Similar to the original metal gear solid, which I would rank to the same level of "difficulty". If you didn't understand how the game was meant to be played you will FAIL miserably.
Of course you will die... unless you have the mental agility to figure out a plan of killing every single boss, or don't fumble on the controls once in a while when some environmental hazard is rolling your way. But tis the way with any game wouldn't ya say?
Yes its a bad console to PC port but it isn't as if anyone who has read atleast one DS article didn't know what to expect, plus the RRP is reduced and a fair deal considering the free DLC and retail goodies.
THX god for the modding community
THX god for the modding community
I wish I was self-important enough to tell everyone what devs need to do in order to get my money.
Seriously, just don't buy it. The devs will never read what you are writing, no one else cares about your money.
Seriously, just don't buy it. The devs will never read what you are writing, no one else cares about your money.
From Software should have learned something about PCs when they were told to do this project, but that's a new kind of stupid for Namco to hire a company to do something they have no experience with.
@Freakydemon
I didn't derail your point, I just brought attention to the fact that Japanese developers are far from being the only ones that doesn't know how to make PC ports. Most developers focus on consoles, so it's not surprising they are not very accostumed in developing for PCs.
I didn't derail your point, I just brought attention to the fact that Japanese developers are far from being the only ones that doesn't know how to make PC ports. Most developers focus on consoles, so it's not surprising they are not very accostumed in developing for PCs.
The Dark Souls team didn't fuck the game up because they're lazy or arrogant, they were simply underpaid, understaffed, and underexperienced
You can blame the publisher more than the devs if you do any research into it at all
You can blame the publisher more than the devs if you do any research into it at all
@kid gloves the headline still works. The game was fixed 23 minutes after launch, there for it was fixed in 23 minutes. It's semantics but it's still viable. Yea he spent more time.
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And he did it all while riding a crocodile...
And he did it all while riding a crocodile...
They basically admitted to all of the issues before the games release, I would say they just bit off something they couldn't chew right away.
But even if the graphics look like the console(which they wont due to mods and other new built in functions) as long as it runs at a smooth 30fps I don't understand the whining.
This coming from someone that has probably spent well over $2000 in parts for her PC. People bitch and moan too damn much about stupid shit like 30fps and other generally insignificant numbers. As long as the game runs smooth and is fully playable it has succeeded.
There are games that do feel better at 60fps or higher, fighting games rely heavily on frames when you become an expert(most people never make it to this level). In FPS games, a higher FPS makes the game feel smoother and might make you more responsive. Even if your an average/mediocre player the higher FPS might improve your enjoyment of a fast paced FPS game. A slower paced RPG on the other hand doesn't need the fluidity of 60 fps, in fact I would argue that some games do in fact look, feel and play better at 30 frames than they would at 60.
I would also reckon that most of you play with V-Sync on because graphics are uber important(I know I do). V-Sync, post processing, and other goodies probably waste more milliseconds of your response time if everyone is on the same playing field.
Not trying to defend the game, but this is one case where they went out and decided to port the game on the whim of a petition. Admitted to having some issues, and probably are doing their best to make the game playable rather than implementing PC exclusive features.
Hell I remember a day when PC gamers played games for fun, and didn't whine all day about console ports and 30fps. I mean try playing Quake 3 on a voodoo 2 @ 640 x 480 in 16-bits of amazing color.
But even if the graphics look like the console(which they wont due to mods and other new built in functions) as long as it runs at a smooth 30fps I don't understand the whining.
This coming from someone that has probably spent well over $2000 in parts for her PC. People bitch and moan too damn much about stupid shit like 30fps and other generally insignificant numbers. As long as the game runs smooth and is fully playable it has succeeded.
There are games that do feel better at 60fps or higher, fighting games rely heavily on frames when you become an expert(most people never make it to this level). In FPS games, a higher FPS makes the game feel smoother and might make you more responsive. Even if your an average/mediocre player the higher FPS might improve your enjoyment of a fast paced FPS game. A slower paced RPG on the other hand doesn't need the fluidity of 60 fps, in fact I would argue that some games do in fact look, feel and play better at 30 frames than they would at 60.
I would also reckon that most of you play with V-Sync on because graphics are uber important(I know I do). V-Sync, post processing, and other goodies probably waste more milliseconds of your response time if everyone is on the same playing field.
Not trying to defend the game, but this is one case where they went out and decided to port the game on the whim of a petition. Admitted to having some issues, and probably are doing their best to make the game playable rather than implementing PC exclusive features.
Hell I remember a day when PC gamers played games for fun, and didn't whine all day about console ports and 30fps. I mean try playing Quake 3 on a voodoo 2 @ 640 x 480 in 16-bits of amazing color.
People defending this bullshit... It doesn't matter who's to blame, the devs or the publishers, the fact is that apparently this specific problem could be easily solved with a the help of an external consultant that would be that expensive.
I really want to buy this game, but I'm unsure if I should just wait for more fan made patches. And I can't stand playing games on my pc where the controls are attributed to controller buttons by default.
I really want to buy this game, but I'm unsure if I should just wait for more fan made patches. And I can't stand playing games on my pc where the controls are attributed to controller buttons by default.
@Samuraidino
Whaaaaat. I LITERALLY just watched the episode where that Rimmer comes in for the first time on Netflix., and I haven't watched Red Dwarf in years. My mind is blown :I
Whaaaaat. I LITERALLY just watched the episode where that Rimmer comes in for the first time on Netflix., and I haven't watched Red Dwarf in years. My mind is blown :I
I knew modders would find a work around for the resolution issue, but I didn't know it would take them only 23 minutes.
So really the developer should have made this same 23-minute change and then added to the manual that it's not yet known how extensive the fix is and whether it covers the whole game. What could have possibly gone wrong !
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