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I doubt the Western release will have as many issues, but regardless I still think Demon's Souls was fun offline.
I beat it 2 times online, and once offline - the game is still tons of fun, and I have no doubt Dark Souls will be just as entertaining.
I beat it 2 times online, and once offline - the game is still tons of fun, and I have no doubt Dark Souls will be just as entertaining.
So much for Japanese games (as opposed to western games) always being shipped in a finished and satisfying state, amirite?
Why fix now what you can ship now and fix later, eh?
It really is depressing to see this sort of thing becoming the new standard in console gaming.....
I would as much like to hear their excuse for this as I would be terrified if someone asked them to make a game that wasn't slated for cookiecutter hardware.
It really is depressing to see this sort of thing becoming the new standard in console gaming.....
I would as much like to hear their excuse for this as I would be terrified if someone asked them to make a game that wasn't slated for cookiecutter hardware.
Actually I'll bet you dollars to dumplings their excuse is pirates ..... its always pirates..... always....
Damn .... now I want me some dumplings ~.~
Damn .... now I want me some dumplings ~.~
I've nevr played or even seen Demon's Souls but is anyone else genuinely scared and intimidated by this?
Es, because a problem that only ends up existing when it's released to the masses, is totally a ship it now and fix it later problem. Considering this is only affecting the Japanese players at the moment, and I guarantee it's just a server stress problem from lots of players, it will be fixed between the roughly 2 and a half weeks before it comes out here.
@Scuffles
Agreed, It's a real shame, especially if your paying full price for a "finished" game. What happened to the days where games weren't released until they were debugged and all... tsk, tsk.
mmmm...Dumplings.
Agreed, It's a real shame, especially if your paying full price for a "finished" game. What happened to the days where games weren't released until they were debugged and all... tsk, tsk.
mmmm...Dumplings.
They probably weren't expecting the server load they had. Demon's Souls wasn't quite as hyped as this one, and ran mostly on positive word of mouth to get the sales up. Seeing Amazon bombs is juvenile though. Greatly looking forward to my preorder collectors edition.
So what you're saying is that a lot of people bought a game at the same time, rushed home to play it online at the same time and there were problems?
Imagine that.
I think that's only happened with every popular game that required online connections ever.
Could be worse, they could have tried remedying that the way Blizzard did with WoW - make people wait in a virtual line so they could wait their turn to have the honor of actually playing the game.
That's a non-issue now, but damn it was kind of pathetic how people put up with it.
This thing with Dark Souls? Not even worth the Amazon bomb.
Then again, online games aren't that big of a deal in Japan, so I guess that's why there's the rage. They're not used to this yet.
Imagine that.
I think that's only happened with every popular game that required online connections ever.
Could be worse, they could have tried remedying that the way Blizzard did with WoW - make people wait in a virtual line so they could wait their turn to have the honor of actually playing the game.
That's a non-issue now, but damn it was kind of pathetic how people put up with it.
This thing with Dark Souls? Not even worth the Amazon bomb.
Then again, online games aren't that big of a deal in Japan, so I guess that's why there's the rage. They're not used to this yet.
This is unacceptable. Why do we allow game companies to ship broken unfinished games? Don't get me wrong, I love FROM Software and their games, but they should have these things working before sending out the discs.
Who in the fuck said the game was unfinished or broken? A server problem has nothing to do with the game.
Goddamn, fuck the Destructoid community.
Goddamn, fuck the Destructoid community.
The nerd rage that comes from delays > the nerd rage from bugs.
Plus ship dates are an important deadline even if they are somewhat unreasonable. Release dates in the fall mean everything and it's important to publishers and developers that these deadlines are met.
If the game were delayed the amount of whining would be greater than or equal to this. Gamers are the whiniest bunch.
Plus ship dates are an important deadline even if they are somewhat unreasonable. Release dates in the fall mean everything and it's important to publishers and developers that these deadlines are met.
If the game were delayed the amount of whining would be greater than or equal to this. Gamers are the whiniest bunch.
Freezing and requiring a patch sounds fucking broken and unfinished to me. That doesn't sound like a "server" problem which has nothing to do with the game.
Goddamn, fuck the people who have no idea what they're talking about.
Goddamn, fuck the people who have no idea what they're talking about.
@TehTonyM
So its that they failed to properly create an online infrastructure and to code their game to fail gracefully when said failed infrastructure failed?
So its that they failed to properly create an online infrastructure and to code their game to fail gracefully when said failed infrastructure failed?
The game isn't broken guys, the servers are. They were overloaded, which considering how small of a game demon soul's was at launch to how large of a launch dark soul's is, they just weren't ready for it. I'm sure they knew they needed more then what they previously did, but they still under shot it, shit happens. Take a chill pill.
@UJn Hunter
I agree, fuck the people that don't know what they're talking about. Like you for example.
I've been playing the game and it runs flawlessly in offline mode. The reason it freezes and crashes in online mode is because the servers are overloaded. Hence it being a server problem and not a case of them putting out an incomplete game.
I agree, fuck the people that don't know what they're talking about. Like you for example.
I've been playing the game and it runs flawlessly in offline mode. The reason it freezes and crashes in online mode is because the servers are overloaded. Hence it being a server problem and not a case of them putting out an incomplete game.
@ anyone saying the server is broken not the game. Yeah you're right it's the Consumers fault. Damn those gamers who run out to buy the game and god forbid want to play it right away. They should know better.
Well they better hurry and exorcise the demons from the servers. I'm still hyped as fuck for this game.
Man, those rose-tinted goggles you guys are wearing sure look fashionable.
Games have been releasing broken for as long as the game industry has been around. Does anyone remember ET for Atari? That game was nowhere near complete and it was released anyway. The game was so broken and such a failure it's often said to have caused the video game industry crash of 1983.
How often did Nintendo games just lock up out of nowhere, potentially killing hours of progress, most often without a save option? PSX games locking up and destroying entire memory cards. PC games have always had CTD type bugs. Etc.
Games always release with bugs of varying severity. ALWAYS. It's literally impossible to quash them all. The difference now is that companies can actually fix bugs after release. Are QA practices slacking now because of this? Maybe in some companies, but it's not an industry sweeping problem by any means.
Personally, I'm happy that companies take the time to fix their games after release. They have absolutely no obligation to do fuck all once the game goes gold.
Games have been releasing broken for as long as the game industry has been around. Does anyone remember ET for Atari? That game was nowhere near complete and it was released anyway. The game was so broken and such a failure it's often said to have caused the video game industry crash of 1983.
How often did Nintendo games just lock up out of nowhere, potentially killing hours of progress, most often without a save option? PSX games locking up and destroying entire memory cards. PC games have always had CTD type bugs. Etc.
Games always release with bugs of varying severity. ALWAYS. It's literally impossible to quash them all. The difference now is that companies can actually fix bugs after release. Are QA practices slacking now because of this? Maybe in some companies, but it's not an industry sweeping problem by any means.
Personally, I'm happy that companies take the time to fix their games after release. They have absolutely no obligation to do fuck all once the game goes gold.
@ragnar
Good points. And well said. Y'know with Auto save and all that these days, maybe it is just us gamers who have become spoiled.
Good points. And well said. Y'know with Auto save and all that these days, maybe it is just us gamers who have become spoiled.
I plan on dying quickly so that no one will have a chance to invade me for the first few hours as I cut my teeth. :)
@Ragnar
Good points. I would also add that gaming technology is infinitely more complex than when many of us cut our teeth in the 80s and 90s. Hence, problems with bugs--although this does seem like a server issue to me--tend to be more complex.
Good points. I would also add that gaming technology is infinitely more complex than when many of us cut our teeth in the 80s and 90s. Hence, problems with bugs--although this does seem like a server issue to me--tend to be more complex.
This is the one upcoming game that I wouldn't mind if the servers had a few hiccups at the start. I wouldn't want to summon right away and most certainly wouldn't want any BPs.
Kind of a shame about the Amazon bomb. In a few days it should be just fine.
Kind of a shame about the Amazon bomb. In a few days it should be just fine.
thats one good thing about getting the game a couple of weeks later bugs like this should already be squashed
@Scuffles STFU nublet till you get some gaming under your belt, consoles games that don't beta test online gaming are not under the umbrella of ship it and forget it. Almost a majority of console games are not beta tested like they are with PCs, so they have a pass when they come out and it gets a huge hit of players playing and they over look something.
Hell this is why a lot of Japanese games come out in Japan first, to "test" them, before they hit the actual major markets like the US.
So to say they don't test them is a load of donkey balls to your face.
Hell this is why a lot of Japanese games come out in Japan first, to "test" them, before they hit the actual major markets like the US.
So to say they don't test them is a load of donkey balls to your face.
As far as I know, this is the only problem Japanese were having with the game. It is likely that this wasn't causght because From Software did not have the chance to test the online features of the game, or it was stress related.
And people getting upset: Making a game is hard. There is a lot that goes into making a game, and sometimes bugs just show up that you didn't manage to catch. That's all there is to it. Almost every game ever releases has had a few bugs at some point, and some of them were game breaking.
And people getting upset: Making a game is hard. There is a lot that goes into making a game, and sometimes bugs just show up that you didn't manage to catch. That's all there is to it. Almost every game ever releases has had a few bugs at some point, and some of them were game breaking.
Never even went online with Demon's Souls. The feeling of loneliness in the world added to the experience! :)
I was about to get mad and yell some things, but people have already made my point for me.
Shit happens, console games generally aren't stress tested because they can't without betas.
Shit happens, console games generally aren't stress tested because they can't without betas.
I've seen around 8 hours of Japanese streams of Dark Souls. Go pre-order the game right now, it is fucking amazing. It's what you would get if you combined Demon's Souls with Metroid.
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