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I don't like the idea. If they want a bigger audience, then the thing to focus on is a more robust PC port released alongside the console ones next time.
People say just don't play on easy, of course... but honestly, I think the difficulty of the first two games informed the unique area design. Difficulty comes a lot of factors - resource availability, complexity of maps, information on which items to use where... not just the health and attack patterns of the enemies.
Basically this series brought back the fun of unwelcoming 8-bit games for me. I'd rather see other games remove their easy modes, than this game add one. Poor gamers can honestly go play something else if this series frustrates them. I think we need to get rid of the idea that everyone is entitled to an easy victory in every game. Games aren't movies.
People say just don't play on easy, of course... but honestly, I think the difficulty of the first two games informed the unique area design. Difficulty comes a lot of factors - resource availability, complexity of maps, information on which items to use where... not just the health and attack patterns of the enemies.
Basically this series brought back the fun of unwelcoming 8-bit games for me. I'd rather see other games remove their easy modes, than this game add one. Poor gamers can honestly go play something else if this series frustrates them. I think we need to get rid of the idea that everyone is entitled to an easy victory in every game. Games aren't movies.
This is what difficulty-based achievements are for.
BTW Dark Souls is not very difficult at all when compared to games outside its genre. It's just that action RPGs have gotten so faceroll easy lately, Bethesda especially. The points where Dark Souls actually does approach the difficulty of hard modes in other genres, are all completely cheap. And of course, you can always just overlevel everything anyway.
BTW Dark Souls is not very difficult at all when compared to games outside its genre. It's just that action RPGs have gotten so faceroll easy lately, Bethesda especially. The points where Dark Souls actually does approach the difficulty of hard modes in other genres, are all completely cheap. And of course, you can always just overlevel everything anyway.
No. Giving this game an easy-mode is a silly, silly idea. While I understand that Miyazaki wants to appeal to a "wider audience", (those dreaded words)making this series something it's not would be the first step in becoming like Capcom, alienating your true fans and supporters. I'm looking at you, Megaman. If you want to make a more accessible line of games, why not make a new IP and have a separate team work on it? One of the best things about the Souls games is that they make you WANT to complete them, no matter how difficult the section of the game you're stuck on is. There are still plenty of gamers who enjoy difficult games such as Monster Hunter (yes I know, Capcom)or Bayonetta. If anything, they should be your target audience.
Nah, I think Dark Souls' reputation outstrips its actual difficulty. As long as you are persistant, the game is absolutely fine (even though it can be teeth-gnashingly frustrating at times)
The problem with easy mode as I see it: here's not too much of a storyline that effects players (other than killing certain NPCs), what makes it an amazing game is the skill/patience it takes to complete, and an easy mode could cause the gamers who wouldn't play it initially to write it off as lame (which it might very well be without any of the challenge), thereby lowering the overwhelmingly positive reaction that it would get otherwise; more negative responses decreases the likelihood of a continuation of the series; ergo, easy mode=probably no DS 4. The only reason to add an easy mode would be to appeal to a larger audience ($$$). No need for an easy mode, if it wasn't profitable it wouldn't garner 2 sequels like it is now. CHECK AND MATE!
The problem with easy mode as I see it: there's not too much of a storyline that effects players (other than killing certain NPCs), what makes it an amazing game is the skill/patience it takes to complete, and an easy mode could cause the gamers who wouldn't play it initially to write it off as lame (which it might very well be without any of the challenge), thereby lowering the overwhelmingly positive reaction that it would get otherwise; more negative responses decreases the likelihood of a continuation of the series; ergo, easy mode=probably no DS 4. The only reason to add an easy mode would be to appeal to a larger audience ($$$). No need for an easy mode, if it wasn't profitable it wouldn't garner 2 sequels like it is now. CHECK AND MATE!
am i the only one who thought demons' souls was fuckin ridiculous? losing all your goddamn progress is not my idea of fun. that shit pissed me off. i dont know why i still own it.
I wouldn't have a problem with a "easy mode", if it gets more people to play the game and doesn't hold their hand, then right on. Or maybe they can do "play up to a certain level, and then force the player to bump up the difficulty to continue on" that will work as well.
If you're against giving other people an option at getting this game when it would never affect your own time, you're a dickhead.
You're also probably a Nazi who is into that Hitler guy, and also a racist.
And you like to touch children.
That's what you are, you Nazi pedo guys, you.
You're also probably a Nazi who is into that Hitler guy, and also a racist.
And you like to touch children.
That's what you are, you Nazi pedo guys, you.
The "hardcore" nature of the world of Dark Souls (and Demon Souls) is what attracts me to it. It truly is one of the most satisfying games I've played. Mix this with its vague narrative which is open to all kinds of interpretations, you truly feel you are stepping into a world much bigger than yourself. It feels like a world that was living before you got there and will be alive long after you're done.
Personally when I play any game I like to explore every bit of it, and not just environment wise, but combat wise, stats, back story. I liked finding out the best skill set for my playing pleasure, or which weapon suits me.Plus I think the Souls games are "hard" until you figure out how to handle whatever they through at you.
I had a friend who watched me play it once and was all like " o that looks easy enough" then he took up the controls and got pwnd by a gang of rats.
Plus because I went over certain areas of the game over and over, the Souls Games are a few of the games that I really know every nook and cranny of.
Personally when I play any game I like to explore every bit of it, and not just environment wise, but combat wise, stats, back story. I liked finding out the best skill set for my playing pleasure, or which weapon suits me.Plus I think the Souls games are "hard" until you figure out how to handle whatever they through at you.
I had a friend who watched me play it once and was all like " o that looks easy enough" then he took up the controls and got pwnd by a gang of rats.
Plus because I went over certain areas of the game over and over, the Souls Games are a few of the games that I really know every nook and cranny of.
The truth? I'd play it if it had an easier difficulty. I like hard games, but have been staying away from this franchise because, as an adult, I have limited game-playing time an don't wanna spend it frustrated After making little or no progress. The games look amazing though, and I would love to experience them.
If it was easier more people would play it. I know a few gamers who won't touch it due to the difficulty.
I can only imagine the butthurt here stems from the fact that more people playing it would somehow diminish the sense of achievement people had from completing the first two games. Its no longer a *secret game for teh hardkore* and you're no longer spesheal.
Grow up. Its an option. It shouldn't matter to anyone with half a fucking brain.
I can only imagine the butthurt here stems from the fact that more people playing it would somehow diminish the sense of achievement people had from completing the first two games. Its no longer a *secret game for teh hardkore* and you're no longer spesheal.
Grow up. Its an option. It shouldn't matter to anyone with half a fucking brain.
"I wont eat at a Mexican restaurant if they offered mild versions of their spicy dishes! That dumbs down my spicy experience!"
Hell no. I'm completely fine with other games having a range of difficulties, but the difficulty of Dark Souls *is* the appeal of the game. Anyone who says otherwise kinda missed the point of the game. Its the eerily beautiful, but distinctly dangerous nature of Lordran that makes it so appealing. A game that was easy would kind of ruin the very thing that defines the game.
If there is an easy mode, make it the equivalent of playing a free-to-play game. You can experience parts of the game, but you will NEVER have the full experience without going on to the true difficulty. Maybe restrict the weapons and armor they can get, as well as cut out parts of the story. And definitely bar them from any online interaction whatsoever. Like, no messages, no phantoms, no invasions. Oh, and of course, it would be impossible to transfer what you've earned on easy mode to the true mode. Then, I think it would be acceptable to have an easy mode. That way after playing it once on easy, you can try and play the game as it was properly meant to be.
If there is an easy mode, make it the equivalent of playing a free-to-play game. You can experience parts of the game, but you will NEVER have the full experience without going on to the true difficulty. Maybe restrict the weapons and armor they can get, as well as cut out parts of the story. And definitely bar them from any online interaction whatsoever. Like, no messages, no phantoms, no invasions. Oh, and of course, it would be impossible to transfer what you've earned on easy mode to the true mode. Then, I think it would be acceptable to have an easy mode. That way after playing it once on easy, you can try and play the game as it was properly meant to be.
Realism is art.
I've never looked at Demon's/Dark Souls as difficult games for the sake of being difficult. Part of the immersing quality of the games is that the difficulty makes the gameplay realistic. I don't feel immersed in the game while playing Kratos; I don't identify with Kratos. I do feel immersed playing my character in Demon's/Dark souls because I actually feel like "I" am there because the odds are realistically daunting. The gameplay is actually integral to the artistry of the game!
I've never looked at Demon's/Dark Souls as difficult games for the sake of being difficult. Part of the immersing quality of the games is that the difficulty makes the gameplay realistic. I don't feel immersed in the game while playing Kratos; I don't identify with Kratos. I do feel immersed playing my character in Demon's/Dark souls because I actually feel like "I" am there because the odds are realistically daunting. The gameplay is actually integral to the artistry of the game!
The impossible difficulty really scared me away from the franchise so far. Having an easy (easier anyway) difficulty option would go miles toward getting me to buy a copy.
If you summon people to help you in the game it's really not hard at all, you can breeze through the game. It only becomes really hard if you really don't know what you're doing or you're going totally solo.
You can NEVER have too many easy options. As a disabled gamer, in this day and age, it should be mandatory.
Around 1 in 5 people have some form of disability, and if it can be helped by easying things up, then it's only going to sell more product.
I've been playing games for over 35 years, and it frustrates me immensely when I can't play a game as well as I used to, and there's no easier option to go to. Thankfully it is fairly rare for me.
However, it doesn't just end with "easy" modes. There should be adequate closed captioning for the hard-of-hearing and good options for changing colour usage for the masses of people who are colour-blind too.
So, I repeat, you can never have too many "easy" options. If they're not for you, you don't have to use them.
Around 1 in 5 people have some form of disability, and if it can be helped by easying things up, then it's only going to sell more product.
I've been playing games for over 35 years, and it frustrates me immensely when I can't play a game as well as I used to, and there's no easier option to go to. Thankfully it is fairly rare for me.
However, it doesn't just end with "easy" modes. There should be adequate closed captioning for the hard-of-hearing and good options for changing colour usage for the masses of people who are colour-blind too.
So, I repeat, you can never have too many "easy" options. If they're not for you, you don't have to use them.
@geeman
What a fantastic idea. Whilst we are at it why not reduce the amount of characters and their move sets in street fighter if you play on a lower difficulty.
Like first person shooters but you're not very good? Tough shit, you're only getting half the weapons and your character has cataracts.
Your comment is the second dumbest I've read in this comment section.
The star prize goes to sweet surrender who has convinced himself that the playing a difficult game is akin to studying art and then sellotaping the Mona Lisa to the inside of his eyeballs. "you can't appreciate the game like me if you're playing it on easy!!!1;1"
Grow up you elitist lump of cock cheese.
What a fantastic idea. Whilst we are at it why not reduce the amount of characters and their move sets in street fighter if you play on a lower difficulty.
Like first person shooters but you're not very good? Tough shit, you're only getting half the weapons and your character has cataracts.
Your comment is the second dumbest I've read in this comment section.
The star prize goes to sweet surrender who has convinced himself that the playing a difficult game is akin to studying art and then sellotaping the Mona Lisa to the inside of his eyeballs. "you can't appreciate the game like me if you're playing it on easy!!!1;1"
Grow up you elitist lump of cock cheese.
the problem with easy mode is how will impact the online component?
someone playing on easy mode shouldnt have access to the same items and drops someone playing on the regular mode does.
otherwise you will be getting invaded at lvl 10 by a bunch of people that rush through the game in easy mode and have all the best items in the game.
if you wanna troll newbies in dark souls you need to be really good at the game to be able to keep your level low and progress far enough. Easy mode would make it so everyone would be trolling noobs with twinks in invasions.
someone playing on easy mode shouldnt have access to the same items and drops someone playing on the regular mode does.
otherwise you will be getting invaded at lvl 10 by a bunch of people that rush through the game in easy mode and have all the best items in the game.
if you wanna troll newbies in dark souls you need to be really good at the game to be able to keep your level low and progress far enough. Easy mode would make it so everyone would be trolling noobs with twinks in invasions.
Dark Souls difficulty has more to do with mechanics than inflated health pools unlike most games "difficulty" settings rely on. Once you start to use your brain a bit the challenge is a lot of fun, but a lot of people dont want to think when they play games - which is fine, you get home from a stressful game and Dark Souls probably isnt what youre looking for to blow off some steam.
I dont think "Souls" games need to be made easier because you do not need to make something for everyone... But I get and agree with what Hidetaka Miyazaki would like to do, which is present the idea behind the difficulty to more people, but at the same time I dont think it can be done simply by making the game easier.
What they coulnd instead do is work on making the community a larger part of normal gameplay so that players could help eachother out more, then that would go a long way to helping people get the hang of a Souls game. The player notes and semi-coop help a ton, but they could expand on the community integration and multiplayer a bit more, and then let the community do its thing. IMO that would be a far better way to make the game "easier" without making it easier and losing the charm.
I dont think "Souls" games need to be made easier because you do not need to make something for everyone... But I get and agree with what Hidetaka Miyazaki would like to do, which is present the idea behind the difficulty to more people, but at the same time I dont think it can be done simply by making the game easier.
What they coulnd instead do is work on making the community a larger part of normal gameplay so that players could help eachother out more, then that would go a long way to helping people get the hang of a Souls game. The player notes and semi-coop help a ton, but they could expand on the community integration and multiplayer a bit more, and then let the community do its thing. IMO that would be a far better way to make the game "easier" without making it easier and losing the charm.
There is no reason why this shouldn't happen. I really like the atmosphere and art design of the games and wish I could see more of them. Unfortunately, I don't have the time and patience required to go through endless bouts of trial and error.
The difficulty of these games is the main reason I never purchased them outright. I love everything else about them. And no... people aren't "doing it wrong" if they don't care for masochistic experiences. I think it is an incredibly ignorant stance to take by saying, "If you can't handle the difficulty, don't play."
This is being suggested as an option... if having the bragging rights to how "hardcore" you are is your main concern, then don't choose to play it on the Easy difficulty... better yet... if that is your main concern, you should probably just kill yourself.
The rest of us would like to experience the game for other reasons. If you love the games that much, why wouldn't you want other people to experience them in their own way?
Some people don't find that kind of challenge entertaining at all. I'd really like to just see all of the different environments and enemies in the games and have a good time doing it, but the lot of you shouting at people like me, and basically calling us pussies, is extremely elitist and ignorant. It's a video game. It's not like someone just suggested dumbing down qualifications for the Olympics for fuck's sake.
The difficulty of these games is the main reason I never purchased them outright. I love everything else about them. And no... people aren't "doing it wrong" if they don't care for masochistic experiences. I think it is an incredibly ignorant stance to take by saying, "If you can't handle the difficulty, don't play."
This is being suggested as an option... if having the bragging rights to how "hardcore" you are is your main concern, then don't choose to play it on the Easy difficulty... better yet... if that is your main concern, you should probably just kill yourself.
The rest of us would like to experience the game for other reasons. If you love the games that much, why wouldn't you want other people to experience them in their own way?
Some people don't find that kind of challenge entertaining at all. I'd really like to just see all of the different environments and enemies in the games and have a good time doing it, but the lot of you shouting at people like me, and basically calling us pussies, is extremely elitist and ignorant. It's a video game. It's not like someone just suggested dumbing down qualifications for the Olympics for fuck's sake.
As long as they don't touch the game mechanics, easy mode will still be insanely difficult for most people since they can't grasp the way this game plays thus give up.
They just need to add more checkpoints in the game.
I don't have time to lose an hours progress in a game. The only thing I learn when that happens is I learn how to eject that disc and use it as a frisbee.
I don't have time to lose an hours progress in a game. The only thing I learn when that happens is I learn how to eject that disc and use it as a frisbee.
@Geeman
I agree with Bakewell; you are a massive lump of cock cheese. And probably a Nazi. Punish people for wanting to play on an easier mode? I'm ever so grateful idiots like you will never work in the games industry.
Dark Souls is a difficult game and some people derive pleasure from getting to grips with that and feeling a sense of triumph or whatever in overcoming that. But then there are morons like yourself who feel you're part of some elite crew that are playing the game 'properly'.
If as some people have said, they love the game for the character design, the atmosphere and whatever the fuck they want to enjoy it for beyond the difficulty, who the hell are you to deny them that? Or want to strip the game down, essentially forcing them to play on the difficulty they don't want to play on?
This guy made a great game beyond the difficulty, and if as a fucking BUSINESSMAN and creative type, he wants more people to enjoy that, what the hell is your problem?
"True mode?" Saying the difficulty IS Dark Souls? I think YOU are the one missing the point. The fact that you're alright with other games having different difficulties shows that you are an elitist douchebag who wants to be HARDKORE.
Big lump of cock cheese indeed. It's an OPTION. You don't need to take it, it's not going to hinder your experience at all, dafuq is your problemo bro?
@Achromatis
"Once you start to use your brain a bit the challenge is a lot of fun, but a lot of people dont want to think when they play games"
That's a bit insulting isn't it? I think this just proves the point that a lot of fans of Demon/Dark Souls are just idiots that like to think they're part of some hardcore following, that like to "think" about the game they play and that somehow makes them better than others. Get the fuck over yourselves.
Sure, the 'challenge' might be fun, but again, giving others the OPTION(!) to ease into the franchise and make it more accessible, how the hell is that a bad thing? There are plenty of people out there that "think" when they play games that would be up for an easier difficulty. Maybe they have less time to play games and constant dying, finding your dead body, trial and error isn't for them, but they still want to explore the world, see the enemies and generally enjoy the game beyond the difficulty?
I know one guy on Youtube who has tons of subscribers and videos gave up on the game because after DAYS of recording he seemed to be moving at a snail's pace through the game. Which yeah, maybe you like to sink time into after getting back from work everyday - and I'm not going to knock that as if you're some virgin who locks himself up and just plays video games, what you do is your business - but others might not be able to do that or prioritise.
I personally don't have all the time in the world for that, but I really like several other aspects of the game. I don't lump it down to being AWESOME HARD MODE MOTHERFUCKER, and from what it sounds like, the bloody CREATORS of the game don't want it to boil down to that either.
He said SATISFYING game. An easier mode won't stop you being satisfied and you sure as hell can't determine whether it won't be satisfying for anyone playing on easy.
"I dont think "Souls" games need to be made easier because you do not need to make something for everyone..."
No, but as a creator you WOULD want more people to play it. As a businessman you would want more people to buy it. Trying to cater to all you hardcore hard mode hardsters who play hard and work hard when you're playing on hard is not the only way.
I'm not saying dumb down the game for everyone. I'm saying giving people OPTIONS is never a bad thing.
And if you disagree with me, you are totally a Nazi and have dreams of moving to North Korea where you will use the remains of Stalin to create a clone that you can make out with every night until the early hours.
I agree with Bakewell; you are a massive lump of cock cheese. And probably a Nazi. Punish people for wanting to play on an easier mode? I'm ever so grateful idiots like you will never work in the games industry.
Dark Souls is a difficult game and some people derive pleasure from getting to grips with that and feeling a sense of triumph or whatever in overcoming that. But then there are morons like yourself who feel you're part of some elite crew that are playing the game 'properly'.
If as some people have said, they love the game for the character design, the atmosphere and whatever the fuck they want to enjoy it for beyond the difficulty, who the hell are you to deny them that? Or want to strip the game down, essentially forcing them to play on the difficulty they don't want to play on?
This guy made a great game beyond the difficulty, and if as a fucking BUSINESSMAN and creative type, he wants more people to enjoy that, what the hell is your problem?
"True mode?" Saying the difficulty IS Dark Souls? I think YOU are the one missing the point. The fact that you're alright with other games having different difficulties shows that you are an elitist douchebag who wants to be HARDKORE.
Big lump of cock cheese indeed. It's an OPTION. You don't need to take it, it's not going to hinder your experience at all, dafuq is your problemo bro?
@Achromatis
"Once you start to use your brain a bit the challenge is a lot of fun, but a lot of people dont want to think when they play games"
That's a bit insulting isn't it? I think this just proves the point that a lot of fans of Demon/Dark Souls are just idiots that like to think they're part of some hardcore following, that like to "think" about the game they play and that somehow makes them better than others. Get the fuck over yourselves.
Sure, the 'challenge' might be fun, but again, giving others the OPTION(!) to ease into the franchise and make it more accessible, how the hell is that a bad thing? There are plenty of people out there that "think" when they play games that would be up for an easier difficulty. Maybe they have less time to play games and constant dying, finding your dead body, trial and error isn't for them, but they still want to explore the world, see the enemies and generally enjoy the game beyond the difficulty?
I know one guy on Youtube who has tons of subscribers and videos gave up on the game because after DAYS of recording he seemed to be moving at a snail's pace through the game. Which yeah, maybe you like to sink time into after getting back from work everyday - and I'm not going to knock that as if you're some virgin who locks himself up and just plays video games, what you do is your business - but others might not be able to do that or prioritise.
I personally don't have all the time in the world for that, but I really like several other aspects of the game. I don't lump it down to being AWESOME HARD MODE MOTHERFUCKER, and from what it sounds like, the bloody CREATORS of the game don't want it to boil down to that either.
He said SATISFYING game. An easier mode won't stop you being satisfied and you sure as hell can't determine whether it won't be satisfying for anyone playing on easy.
"I dont think "Souls" games need to be made easier because you do not need to make something for everyone..."
No, but as a creator you WOULD want more people to play it. As a businessman you would want more people to buy it. Trying to cater to all you hardcore hard mode hardsters who play hard and work hard when you're playing on hard is not the only way.
I'm not saying dumb down the game for everyone. I'm saying giving people OPTIONS is never a bad thing.
And if you disagree with me, you are totally a Nazi and have dreams of moving to North Korea where you will use the remains of Stalin to create a clone that you can make out with every night until the early hours.
One of the few games around these days that actually tests skill to some degree is going to pussy out like all the others? Come on.
The original marketing for Demon's Souls did not advertise it as a difficult game. The difficulty became the marketing (by marketers, not developers) to distinguish it from the pack.
Nevertheless, people with anger management issues should not be playing these games! lol.
Nevertheless, people with anger management issues should not be playing these games! lol.
I really don't see any problems with this idea. I suppose I'm just here to express my opinion then; any thoughts of mine have already been stated, practically. Damn, benefits of being one of the first few to post a comment I guess.
i dont have as much time for games so maybe if they did something where u coulda just enjoy the story i would hit that games where you get stuck on something for hours arent realy for gamers who have lives outside of games NUFF SAYD
If it already exceeded expectations, why get greedy? Isn't it ok for some games to just be hard, especially one with a reputation of high difficulty? The mechanics of the game lends itself so well to dying not being from difficulty per se, but from making bad decisions.
I dunno, I mean go ahead and do it, and I know it's silly in the grand scheme of things, but what about the concept of "sacred ground"?
I dunno, I mean go ahead and do it, and I know it's silly in the grand scheme of things, but what about the concept of "sacred ground"?
I'm up for a difficulty mode similar to God Hand. The better you perform, the more difficult things get. The worse you perform, the less difficult things get.
**** NO! MAKE THE GAME HARDER! THIS isn't panzies game! We need a dark mode or world tendency to make things difficult when you die. This game is too damn easy!
An easier mode for more casual players? Sure, why not.
But remember, whatever you do, DON'T CALL IT GIRLFRIEND MODE!!! Lots of people get angry-face when you do that.
But remember, whatever you do, DON'T CALL IT GIRLFRIEND MODE!!! Lots of people get angry-face when you do that.
I'm undecided, DS isn't THAT hard once you learn to play, and I have a feeling that many of the ppl who found it hard at the beginning but overcame the steep learning curve would have just wussed out with the easy mode if it was given to them.
I think it would be better to make 2 completley different versions of the game that ppl can buy, and ballance it out so we can all pvp in a special arena together.
I think it would be better to make 2 completley different versions of the game that ppl can buy, and ballance it out so we can all pvp in a special arena together.
The thing is, the game isn't impossibly hard and the single difficulty makes the online much more interesting. When you see the shade or bloodstain of another online player, you know what they're doing. Easy mode would ruin that atmosphere.
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