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I've said it before and I'll say it again: of course the brand-new WiiU is at least as powerful as its seven-year-old competition. Even Nintendo isn't that behind the times.
Whether it's as powerful as a piece of current hardware should be the real question.
Whether it's as powerful as a piece of current hardware should be the real question.
All I care about are the games. However, the refusal to keep up with this generation crippled the Wii, meaning that plenty of popular franchises skipped the console because of it. Of course, there were still plenty of great games on the Wii (Super Mario Galaxy even has the best graphics on any system), but I won't be surprised if most developers start ignoring the Wii U, like they did with the Wii.
No one cares how it compares to CURRENT consoles, what is important is how it compares to the NextBox and the PS4.
Is this the same Crytek who keep banging on about how the current generation of consoles isnt powerful enough and we need the next generation to happen asap?
If thats the case, then by their own definition the Wii U isnt powerful enough if its only on par with a current gen 360.
If thats the case, then by their own definition the Wii U isnt powerful enough if its only on par with a current gen 360.
The lack of power relative to it's rivals didn't hurt the Wii, the DS, PS2, or the Gameboy. I just worry about the software.
@el conrado
I actually agree with you. I was really disappointed with the wii but i have high hopes for the wii u.
I actually agree with you. I was really disappointed with the wii but i have high hopes for the wii u.
I'm still buying this for hd Zelda. It's prolly not going to blow my of out of the water, and at this point the only insentive I have playing consoles is first party titles.
But the 360 doesn't have to generate two separate video outs does it?
Being as powerful as a 360 isn't great when you want it to do more than the 360.
Being as powerful as a 360 isn't great when you want it to do more than the 360.
If you want power get a PC if you want good games then you buy and play good games on what ever has them. I'm mostly a pc gamer just love the mouse keyboard comb but I still have a Wii and a PS3 (Xbox is the gf's)
and will get a WiiU day 1 cus I know good games will come :)
and will get a WiiU day 1 cus I know good games will come :)
it's probably gonna be slightly more powerful than current gen consoles and pretty far behind next gen, like the Wii itself.
Nobody's gonna care as long as it has good games.
Nobody's gonna care as long as it has good games.
He said AT MINIMUM guys. Whos to say what the games will look like near the end of the Wii U's console cycle?
Meh, I'm guessing that this was the 50% that developers had access to, and that it really is more like 2.5 Xbox 360s, which is actually not too shabby. But again, as long as a system can support a good art direction, it is good enough to me. I just hope that the talks of smaller developer support are true, then we can have a cheap, not so powerful console with a lot of neat little titles. That, and a pretty great system for college kids that will involve an insane amount of couch co-op titles. Or just free up the TV so that your roommate can watch his television based programming, that odd inhuman creature. Huh, when most people think about the Wii U, the worse it seems. But I just end up regretting my lack of friends.
And don't forget most of the games are ports right now even a top end pc will run like shit with a bad port (Thinking batman here)
@Sexualchocolate the problem is that we do not know the spec of the next xbox and PS4, but once we see what those systems can do and compare it with the Wii U, the possibility of 3rd party devs jumping off the Wii U is very high. We just have to wait and see but I predict a Wii all over again. The question that is on my mind is, will Nintendo 1st party games support the new xbox clone controller on all the way in all the games? That is the systems seller for me.
Somehow "At least as powerful as hardware that was about as powerful as a mid-range PC 7 years ago" doesn't seem that remarkable.
In any event, raw power doesn't really matter that much if no one puts it to good use.
In any event, raw power doesn't really matter that much if no one puts it to good use.
Anonymus source claims Wii U will be on par with snes. The screen on the controller is just painted on and cartridges, that can hold 64mb at max, will come back and will replace those stupid CDs.
Doompredicters are cautiously optimistic.
Michael Pachter thinks it´s the best thing since sliced bread.
It is pretty easy to be an unannounced source...wonder if someone else simply wrote bullshit out of their ass...
Doompredicters are cautiously optimistic.
Michael Pachter thinks it´s the best thing since sliced bread.
It is pretty easy to be an unannounced source...wonder if someone else simply wrote bullshit out of their ass...
I remember this six years ago with the original Wii. So many fanboys were hoping that little thing would be somehow almost if not as powerful as the competition while being smaller and cheaper. This was never going to happen and yet six years later, you couldn't call the thing a failure. It has a great library and sold really well. In other words, the people that said the Wii needed to be HD were wrong.
And to illustrate how wrong they are, look how excited most of us were about Nintendo using old technology at E3 this year! Hey look! Mario in HD, Zelda in HD! PIKMIN 3! Hooray etc.
I personally don't think it will work as well for Nintendo as it did last time but the graphical limitations of the Wii U compared to current technology seem irrelevant at this stage. For a start, we haven't even seen what the competition has in store and since E3 has passed, we are unlikely to until next year. So for a while at least, Nintendo will be competing with tech at the same level or better.
And to illustrate how wrong they are, look how excited most of us were about Nintendo using old technology at E3 this year! Hey look! Mario in HD, Zelda in HD! PIKMIN 3! Hooray etc.
I personally don't think it will work as well for Nintendo as it did last time but the graphical limitations of the Wii U compared to current technology seem irrelevant at this stage. For a start, we haven't even seen what the competition has in store and since E3 has passed, we are unlikely to until next year. So for a while at least, Nintendo will be competing with tech at the same level or better.
Sorry, I meant same level or worse (unless we talk PC) when the Wii U releases. Perhaps Sony and Microsoft will do some surprise unveiling to take the wind out of Nintendo's sails. Who knows?
Don't see why the power of a console is a major issue. Played plenty enough of Wii games to say that regardless of its inferior tech to current gen were far more enjoyable to play. The only thing that held the Wii back was its lack of third-party support.
However, if a console will be backing up some hefty hardware specs. Then I rather see that power go into the games design and content rather than making the game look pretty with "zomg its realistic graphics give me a hard on!" Xenoblade showed me how an inferior console can still have amazing looking & enjoyable games.
However, if a console will be backing up some hefty hardware specs. Then I rather see that power go into the games design and content rather than making the game look pretty with "zomg its realistic graphics give me a hard on!" Xenoblade showed me how an inferior console can still have amazing looking & enjoyable games.
"From my perspective I do not understand the public's concerns that the Wii U is weaker than PS3 and 360," said CEO Cevat Yerli. "From my perspective the Wii U is minimum as powerful as Xbox 360."
Dual problems here
1- Why is a brand new system only as powerful as its 6/7 year old competition?
2- Most gamers are aware that Microsoft and Sony are going to be at least revealing their new systems probably around E3/TGS time next year, meaning the Nintendo will be at the tail end of the tech train again.
Dual problems here
1- Why is a brand new system only as powerful as its 6/7 year old competition?
2- Most gamers are aware that Microsoft and Sony are going to be at least revealing their new systems probably around E3/TGS time next year, meaning the Nintendo will be at the tail end of the tech train again.
"Pencoin
@Stealth I've never heard it put so elegantly but this is spot on."
I am good like that. I am just sick of this graphic/power talk. Not only is it boring, its not like it impacts these hardware makers sales wise or gamewise.
I for one am looking for costs to stay constant for while, and let the industry actually catch up instead of being in the brink of destruction
@Stealth I've never heard it put so elegantly but this is spot on."
I am good like that. I am just sick of this graphic/power talk. Not only is it boring, its not like it impacts these hardware makers sales wise or gamewise.
I for one am looking for costs to stay constant for while, and let the industry actually catch up instead of being in the brink of destruction
"Pencoin
@Stealth I've never heard it put so elegantly but this is spot on."
I am good like that. I am just sick of this graphic/power talk. Not only is it boring, its not like it impacts these hardware makers sales wise or gamewise.
I for one am looking for costs to stay constant for while, and let the industry actually catch up instead of being in the brink of destruction
@Stealth I've never heard it put so elegantly but this is spot on."
I am good like that. I am just sick of this graphic/power talk. Not only is it boring, its not like it impacts these hardware makers sales wise or gamewise.
I for one am looking for costs to stay constant for while, and let the industry actually catch up instead of being in the brink of destruction
I'm not interested better graphics, per se, but I'd love to see better AI this generation.
I've never really enjoyed Nintendo's first party titles, so the WiiU would have to be something spectacular to get me to buy it. The silly controller isn't helping things.
I've never really enjoyed Nintendo's first party titles, so the WiiU would have to be something spectacular to get me to buy it. The silly controller isn't helping things.
@SephirothX Exactly. There really is no point in buying this thing at launch unless you ABSOLUTELY have to play a new Mario or Pikmin game. Otherwise you're better off just buying a 360 for like $140 and the same games this is going to have at launch for either cheaper because they're already out, or they're coming out around the same time so the same price.
If that's true, the price should at least be lower since the components that power the 360 are likely scrap cheap by now (if this is similar). It sounds like, aside from the tablet controller, most of the stuff powering this thing isn't top of the line, which makes sense for Nintendo.
It outputs in HD, which is really all I care about. The worst part of the Wii wasn't the lesser graphics, it was the horrible standard definition blur. Nintendo has been behind the curve in graphics for most of their time, I wouldn't expect them to change that now.
It outputs in HD, which is really all I care about. The worst part of the Wii wasn't the lesser graphics, it was the horrible standard definition blur. Nintendo has been behind the curve in graphics for most of their time, I wouldn't expect them to change that now.
So it's at least as powerful as 6 year old technology.
great to see them pushing the boundaries there.
great to see them pushing the boundaries there.
It better fuckin' be!
I mean c'mon, this thing is 7+ years late to the HD party. The ONLY reason I'm getting it is because I have yet to get the Wii and the library is fairly decent already and is only going to improve with the WiiU games. The tech of a system is just icing on the cake, what I really care about is what's going in that cake. Nobody wants a hollow cake.
I mean c'mon, this thing is 7+ years late to the HD party. The ONLY reason I'm getting it is because I have yet to get the Wii and the library is fairly decent already and is only going to improve with the WiiU games. The tech of a system is just icing on the cake, what I really care about is what's going in that cake. Nobody wants a hollow cake.
look it runs assassin's creed 3 as good or better then the ps360 at the beginning of its cycle while ps3 and 36O are the the end of theirs.
anyone saying that it's weaker just hates nintendo, it's pretty obvious
anyone saying that it's weaker just hates nintendo, it's pretty obvious
Yes on paper the spec looks similar but look at pc's a quad core Core2 q6600 from 2007 is no where near as fast as a quad corei7 2620M from this year 2012 Even with the same clock speed the modern Cpu will wipe the floor with the old.
KFrom what I've seen, I'd say the textures look more detailed. Also, has anyone seen the Batman Arkham City comparison screenshots? They are some quite striking differences.
With Batman Arkham City its the extra memory that will be helping them they probably havent even stared to open the tap on the cpu or gpu yet
Who really cares? The Ninty franchise crowd would buy an Apple Lisa if it came with a new Mario, Zelda or Mega Man. And more power to 'em. They have clearly ceded the "hardcore" crowd to Sony and MS. Now, when they start claiming they will compete with new console from those companies... let the lulz begin.
lol Notice how all the people with default avatars are against the Wii... Obviously Nintendo knows what they're doing, I've been researching this for a while, and most reliable resources have revealed that the Wii U is significantly more powerful than the current gen. However, theres not going to be as big of a leap between the generations graphics-wise, as there have previous years. This is okay, because Video Games cost a lot of money, and if there was to big of a jump forward it would probably be too much for game developers.
Also as for the specs concerning the Wii U; It'll be able to run 1080p at the highest compared to 1080i which is not really a big jump, however when you consider how many games were made in 1080 (Which is only like a handful, and even less of them are actually good) you realize that it's not as important. The major changes are in the GPU and CPU which are going to be around 1.5x to 3x better than the current gen. That said, this likely means you wont be able to see how good the Wii U's graphics are until it runs the new Square Enix engine or Unreal 4.
Let me repeat that: The graphics on the Wii U have looked similar to the current-gen consoles because there are no new graphical engines available to make the most of the Wii U's ability. Maybe Nintendo is still improving it's engine, so by the time it launches, there will be a noticeable difference. And when 3rd party engines the Wii U will likely be able to run them, maybe not to the extent of the other next-gen consoles, but it will be next-gen graphics no doubt.
Also as for the specs concerning the Wii U; It'll be able to run 1080p at the highest compared to 1080i which is not really a big jump, however when you consider how many games were made in 1080 (Which is only like a handful, and even less of them are actually good) you realize that it's not as important. The major changes are in the GPU and CPU which are going to be around 1.5x to 3x better than the current gen. That said, this likely means you wont be able to see how good the Wii U's graphics are until it runs the new Square Enix engine or Unreal 4.
Let me repeat that: The graphics on the Wii U have looked similar to the current-gen consoles because there are no new graphical engines available to make the most of the Wii U's ability. Maybe Nintendo is still improving it's engine, so by the time it launches, there will be a noticeable difference. And when 3rd party engines the Wii U will likely be able to run them, maybe not to the extent of the other next-gen consoles, but it will be next-gen graphics no doubt.
Doesn't matter, I'll never buy one, because there's no proper trophy or achievement system. "Not in their philosophy". Idiots.
@Cool8t wrote:
"The graphics on the Wii U have looked similar to the current-gen consoles because there are no new graphical engines available to make the most of the Wii U's ability."
I don't want to be a dick, but you have NO idea how games work or scale, or how hardware works. Frostbite 2, Cryengine 3, and Unreal 3.99 will easily scale up for the Wii U. Most games are cross-platform with PC and already have next-gen quality textures and art assets. PCs are massively more powerful that than the 360/PS3 already, far more than "1.5x to 3x". Also, 95% of PS3/360 games only run at 720p (sometimes less). 1080 is over double that resolution, so that part is a pretty big jump.
Seriously, this is why console gamers should not talk hardware. YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW.
"The graphics on the Wii U have looked similar to the current-gen consoles because there are no new graphical engines available to make the most of the Wii U's ability."
I don't want to be a dick, but you have NO idea how games work or scale, or how hardware works. Frostbite 2, Cryengine 3, and Unreal 3.99 will easily scale up for the Wii U. Most games are cross-platform with PC and already have next-gen quality textures and art assets. PCs are massively more powerful that than the 360/PS3 already, far more than "1.5x to 3x". Also, 95% of PS3/360 games only run at 720p (sometimes less). 1080 is over double that resolution, so that part is a pretty big jump.
Seriously, this is why console gamers should not talk hardware. YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW.
I'll just do the same thing I did with the Wii.
Snatch one up when its at the end of its cycle and buy most of its best games for cheap.
Snatch one up when its at the end of its cycle and buy most of its best games for cheap.
@SephirothX "Nintendo will be at the end of the tech trail again."
Only Nintendo can show brand new tech like the Wii U Gamepad and have people say their system is low tech.
I have never seen anything like it. HOW IS THE LATENCY SO LOW? Does it employ BlueTooth Bandwidth ninjas? Will we all die of cancer because it uses Xrays? I don't know!
Don't say anything about "SmartGlass" or the Vita. SmartGlass's latency will be many times the Wii U Gamepad's. Maybe, MAYBE, you will be able to have a useable inventory screen, but play your game on it? No.
With the Vita? Sounds good until you are buying the game twice. And you realize the only games that support it are games like Little Big Planet Karting.
But, of course, tech only means polygon fill rates, the number of floating point calculations per second, or the number of megamariachis per mexidecimal.
Feh! Noobs!
Only Nintendo can show brand new tech like the Wii U Gamepad and have people say their system is low tech.
I have never seen anything like it. HOW IS THE LATENCY SO LOW? Does it employ BlueTooth Bandwidth ninjas? Will we all die of cancer because it uses Xrays? I don't know!
Don't say anything about "SmartGlass" or the Vita. SmartGlass's latency will be many times the Wii U Gamepad's. Maybe, MAYBE, you will be able to have a useable inventory screen, but play your game on it? No.
With the Vita? Sounds good until you are buying the game twice. And you realize the only games that support it are games like Little Big Planet Karting.
But, of course, tech only means polygon fill rates, the number of floating point calculations per second, or the number of megamariachis per mexidecimal.
Feh! Noobs!
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