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Go, Cevat Yerli! Unlike regular consumers and gamers lamenting the shameful faux populism practised by some of our political representatives, successful developers like Crytek have some serious financial firepower to back up their verbal complaints with...
Is this the same Crytek that said they wouldn't develop for consoles? I kid, but I'm glad to see them take a stance.
Bold move by Crytek, they're industry-leaders in a lot of aspects (nice-looking trees), so for them to kick up a bit of dust will hopefully garner some more attention on this topic from other people who feel similarly.
You go man FIGHT DAH POWA!. If this ban does happen I hope Nintendo of Europe gets a nice new cushy place too otherwise PAL regions may say goodbye to some more violent games.
Great move, Crytek. Let 'em know who their fucking with.
Cant wait for Crysis 2 on Xbox, Crysis (1) would be nice too, tnx!
Cant wait for Crysis 2 on Xbox, Crysis (1) would be nice too, tnx!
Yep. Germany doesn't want any of those pesky "jobs" that having game developers in your country creates. Maybe the German government can pay the people put out of work to goose step down streets and around public squares. Whats next, a game guide burning?
Germany's lose, some other country's gain. I just pity the poor people in Germany who have a shred of common sense and have to put up with this nonsense.
Germany's lose, some other country's gain. I just pity the poor people in Germany who have a shred of common sense and have to put up with this nonsense.
I know Germany feels bad about WW2 just jesus christ guys get over yourselves. The rest of us have moved on why can't germany. Banning shit over and over again because you think a new hitler will rise and kill a bunch of people is not very productive. It just makes you look like childish.
@JACK: Actually, violent movies have often been "indexed" in the past, meaning they can't be openly sold or advertised. Mostly horror movies, like the first two Evil Deads. That practice seems do be disappearing, though, as I haven't seen many recent movies being indexed. Could be wrong though. Still, those are alarming developments. Come over to Luxembourg, Crytek, we don't bash games here. Promise!
In their effort to reconcile their present with their violent, fascist past, Germany decides to... Limit free speech and give the government even more power in controlling not only business, but everyday life? When do they start recruiting young men to patrol the streets and make sure people aren't playing violent games?
admittedly, I'm not too fond of Crytek's games (to put it softly). however, this move is something you don't see all that often from videogame publishers, and it's definitely a desirable one. you go, Crytek!
If I would be Crytek I would leave immediately this mediocre country... mediocre books, movies, music .... don't know why anybody wants to live here. Unfortunately I have to live in this prison ... has anybody a flight ticket to donate?
Well, not to be pedantic or anything, but it's not his home country. He's Turkish. But still, absolutely fair play to the guy.
Well, they kinda have to do it if Germany actually goes through and bans violent games. I hope they follow through with this statement and give their government the middle finger. God knows they deserve it for trying to pull this shit.
Poor misunderstood Germany, why do they always take things too far. They start out with noble intentions then the next thing you know, Holocaust. If only someone would step in and teach them that a happy medium can exist between concerned and crazy.
Here's some facts from someone actually living here who knows what this is about:
- Shut up about the Nazi past. This has not a thing to do with it and in the entire discussion of the matter in Germany it has NEVER come up. Don't claim you're over it and we aren't, the fact that it's the first thing you bring up without any connection to it being there proves that.
- The bias against games has been going on for a long long time, though it had died down for a while after the rating system was revamped (it's still in the hands of an independent committee and not government linked) and generally there have been reasonable approaches to things. The rating system even features an 18 rating and a "not rated" inofficial 18 rating which still allows the game to be sold (i.e. not banned) but not being advertised or openly displayed.
- In general Germany has always been of the opinion that violence is worse than sex, with America having the exact opposite opinion. Basically germans think it's normal for a kid to have seen a breast, but not some guy being beheaded. Sadly sometimes this leads to games simply being censored (and no, the government did not enforce this, usually developers just tend to do it on their own to make sure they get a low rating, it's done just the same with "too sexy" stuff in games released in the US. I only know a handful of cases where there was an actual intervention from someone else than the developers, and it usually was the rating committee, not the government) generally by having green blood, no blood or taking violence right out. (which is IMO a logical error since I think shooting someone and he looks fine is more "reality distorting" than shooting someone and he winces in pain)
- The latest wave of bias against said games comes from the fact that we've had several school shootings in the last few years, aswell as, and here's the kicker, an upcoming election with the conservatives far in the lead, which at the moment are trying to break an almost 50/50 tie with the big socialist party they had last time.
- Germany's games industry isn't about action games. It never was. Germany's top games were stuff like The Settlers, the X: Beyond the Frontier series by Egosoft, Ascaron's stuff including Sacred 1/2 and a lot of football games, even more RPGs like Divine Divinity which just released another sequel etc.
That said, no, CryTek isnt particularly influncial here, neither will the loss of those jobs really be noticed since right now we're struggling to keep far far bigger employers alive.
Right now videogames here are as much a media scapegoat and political leverage platform as they are in the US, but instead of allowing violence and prohibiting sex it's the other way around, and to me it seems the outrage mainly stems from everyone else being used to having as much violence as possible and just having sexy bits censored.
- Shut up about the Nazi past. This has not a thing to do with it and in the entire discussion of the matter in Germany it has NEVER come up. Don't claim you're over it and we aren't, the fact that it's the first thing you bring up without any connection to it being there proves that.
- The bias against games has been going on for a long long time, though it had died down for a while after the rating system was revamped (it's still in the hands of an independent committee and not government linked) and generally there have been reasonable approaches to things. The rating system even features an 18 rating and a "not rated" inofficial 18 rating which still allows the game to be sold (i.e. not banned) but not being advertised or openly displayed.
- In general Germany has always been of the opinion that violence is worse than sex, with America having the exact opposite opinion. Basically germans think it's normal for a kid to have seen a breast, but not some guy being beheaded. Sadly sometimes this leads to games simply being censored (and no, the government did not enforce this, usually developers just tend to do it on their own to make sure they get a low rating, it's done just the same with "too sexy" stuff in games released in the US. I only know a handful of cases where there was an actual intervention from someone else than the developers, and it usually was the rating committee, not the government) generally by having green blood, no blood or taking violence right out. (which is IMO a logical error since I think shooting someone and he looks fine is more "reality distorting" than shooting someone and he winces in pain)
- The latest wave of bias against said games comes from the fact that we've had several school shootings in the last few years, aswell as, and here's the kicker, an upcoming election with the conservatives far in the lead, which at the moment are trying to break an almost 50/50 tie with the big socialist party they had last time.
- Germany's games industry isn't about action games. It never was. Germany's top games were stuff like The Settlers, the X: Beyond the Frontier series by Egosoft, Ascaron's stuff including Sacred 1/2 and a lot of football games, even more RPGs like Divine Divinity which just released another sequel etc.
That said, no, CryTek isnt particularly influncial here, neither will the loss of those jobs really be noticed since right now we're struggling to keep far far bigger employers alive.
Right now videogames here are as much a media scapegoat and political leverage platform as they are in the US, but instead of allowing violence and prohibiting sex it's the other way around, and to me it seems the outrage mainly stems from everyone else being used to having as much violence as possible and just having sexy bits censored.
Is Germany even allowed to ban action video games on the grounds of the EU's common market policies?
This definately seems like an awesome case to take to the ECJ.
This definately seems like an awesome case to take to the ECJ.
@ Kaalinn
You may not like Crytek but is a respected developer (at least of new technology). And hi-tech jobs are high tech-jobs, is not only one developer leaving the country, is the image that action does on the country record. Next time you wont get a developer to install or do anything in Germany.
Hey! They can come to Uruguay! they would have a lot of uruguayans who would love to work for a videogame company.
You may not like Crytek but is a respected developer (at least of new technology). And hi-tech jobs are high tech-jobs, is not only one developer leaving the country, is the image that action does on the country record. Next time you wont get a developer to install or do anything in Germany.
Hey! They can come to Uruguay! they would have a lot of uruguayans who would love to work for a videogame company.
Yes, most likely Germany would not be allowed to go through with the ban due to EU treaties anyway. But this was never considered. Because this was never as serious as it's made to sound here.
It's an election, it's been a media and political scapegoat for a while, so everyone tries to capitalize on it. If you read the link in Jim's article you'll see a petition went up and through and basically got the message across that "if you fuck with games you will lose the election". Democratic process prevailed.
It's these clauses and checks in the german laws and constitutions that will ALWAYS prevent bullshit like this. It was the same for every outrageous idea in my entire lifetime. Maybe people are scared because in the US it could actually work, I don't know.
The irony in all this is.... CryTek guy here is doing EXACTLY the same as these politicians here. No one in Germany (as opposed to the internet) cares about what he says, I'd be surprised to even see it in the newspapers. He's merely going for a cheap attention grab and PR, and it's working since you all are going "Yeah CryTek! Stick it to the man!". He had nothing to lose doing it, so he did.
It's an election, it's been a media and political scapegoat for a while, so everyone tries to capitalize on it. If you read the link in Jim's article you'll see a petition went up and through and basically got the message across that "if you fuck with games you will lose the election". Democratic process prevailed.
It's these clauses and checks in the german laws and constitutions that will ALWAYS prevent bullshit like this. It was the same for every outrageous idea in my entire lifetime. Maybe people are scared because in the US it could actually work, I don't know.
The irony in all this is.... CryTek guy here is doing EXACTLY the same as these politicians here. No one in Germany (as opposed to the internet) cares about what he says, I'd be surprised to even see it in the newspapers. He's merely going for a cheap attention grab and PR, and it's working since you all are going "Yeah CryTek! Stick it to the man!". He had nothing to lose doing it, so he did.
You do it Crytek. Germany doesn't deserve you.
I hope the government realize all the nice £ they are losing with this.
I hope the government realize all the nice £ they are losing with this.
They ought to be banning Uwe Boll's movies. His work does more to damage the German people than violent video games.
Im with Jack of No Trades on this one, are they banning ALL forms of violent media?
Movies, internet sights.....etc videogames are not decendants of the devil or anything....geez.
Movies, internet sights.....etc videogames are not decendants of the devil or anything....geez.
Fairplay to Crytek. Any developer, willing to think with their feet like this, will get my support. Don't stand for this long knife bs.
Being from the U.K, they'd try the same crap here too, given a chance, yet see fit to spend the money that the games industry brings in.
Being from the U.K, they'd try the same crap here too, given a chance, yet see fit to spend the money that the games industry brings in.
As a huge Crysis modder I commend this. I have been long pissed off by the German laws not allowing things like ragdoll corpses in games. Fuck you Germany!
I don't know if I'd go so far as to call it a "brilliant" move on Crytek's part--it's more of a matter of survival.
If I ever enter the gaming industry, I would not allow any of my games to be released in any region that would censor me at this level. The only way for people in regions like Germany to get my games would be to pirate them.
The caption made me spurt ginger ale through my nose.
Stinging nostrils aside, go CryTek. I mean, it's reasonable, why stay in a place that censors you? It's like living at home with parents who insist you eat red meat when you're trying to go veg, it's just awkward and it doesn't belong.
CryTek is a disgruntled teenager who wants to be accepted for who he is in his parents' home, and we all know what happens when parents drop the whole "our house, our rules" stamp, the disgruntled teen is out of there.
...or he cuts some kind of deal and festers in their basement... hope this made any kind of sense, anyway, back to eating my oatmeal.
Stinging nostrils aside, go CryTek. I mean, it's reasonable, why stay in a place that censors you? It's like living at home with parents who insist you eat red meat when you're trying to go veg, it's just awkward and it doesn't belong.
CryTek is a disgruntled teenager who wants to be accepted for who he is in his parents' home, and we all know what happens when parents drop the whole "our house, our rules" stamp, the disgruntled teen is out of there.
...or he cuts some kind of deal and festers in their basement... hope this made any kind of sense, anyway, back to eating my oatmeal.
Hey, look Germany is much more different than America. You need to look at it both ways. It's really in the BRD's (look it up if you don't know the acronym) best interest to want to second guess the games they're adopting. Kaalinn brings up a very good viewpoint. I agree that the situation isn't being handled properly, but they have nothing else to look at with the recent school violence. On another note, if you look at germans as stubern nazis... you need to think after the past. They persecute nazis for war crimes!
this is where it starts, then they'll start slandering jews and ask the citizens to boycott jewish stores, then.......fuck germany, racist piece of shit country, we should have nuked them as well in ww2.
cevat yerli is god !!!u gave me crysis when i had no hope from videogames no more , id say the german hypocrites will be at ur feet, u deserve it , u rock 5x more than guitar hero
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