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Getting a little sick of this argument. Show me a deep, engaging gaming experience on a mobile device instead of a 99 cent time waster and I'll pay attention. Until then, kindly shut the fuck up.
I remember playing with the original PSP. That was the only one I had, but I can safely say PS Vita>>>>>>>>>>>>>tablets or any other mobile garbage.
Those .99 cent games are .99 cents for a reason.
Those .99 cent games are .99 cents for a reason.
Vita definitely has to compete with mobile gaming devices, but if someone is serious about playing games on the go, the $250 Vita with it's joysticks and buttons has those things as big advantages imo. Port your angry ninja fruit bird games to the vita and you have the best of both worlds, at a lower introductory cost.
The Vita is already a day one buy for me, I have no interest in the 3DS or iOS gaming. Supply games like Uncharted: Golden Abyss and you get my money; the 3DS and tablets could never supply such an experience.
I'm going to take a wild guess that I'll be playing a lot of Vita and 3DS next year, and still spending approximately 10 minutes a week playing solitaire or scrabble on my phone.
Sick of the doom and gloom for dedicated.handhelds. Even if they lose a little market share they will always have the dedicated gamers attention and dollar. One thing he does say that.is correct is its all about content. Both Nintendo and sony have that in bucket loads. As long as angry birds is the mascot for Mobil games I think the machines will be ok.
You can get experiences on the 3DS and Vita that cannot get on any mobile or tablet device. Ever. This is really fucking annoying.
This just in, people will stop buying apples because oranges are now available at your local grocery store!
Here's what I say when it comes to these kinds of discussions: "Different platforms, different experiences, and different audiences".
There will always be people who will buy these dedicated handheld experiences like the 3DS and PSV since they offer a more dedicated experience for those looking for it. Mobile gaming and dedicated handhelds have their own different audiences, sure there's crossover but there's always room for both.
The PSV and 3DS will have their exclusive franchise brands that give experiences that the iOS just cannot replicate (especially with controls). Sure there are games on iOS that do it well enough but virtual D-pads and buttons seem to defeat the purpose of the iOS touchscreen. That's why I love games on iOS that are either simulations or just take advantage of touchscreen controls.
There will always be people who will buy these dedicated handheld experiences like the 3DS and PSV since they offer a more dedicated experience for those looking for it. Mobile gaming and dedicated handhelds have their own different audiences, sure there's crossover but there's always room for both.
The PSV and 3DS will have their exclusive franchise brands that give experiences that the iOS just cannot replicate (especially with controls). Sure there are games on iOS that do it well enough but virtual D-pads and buttons seem to defeat the purpose of the iOS touchscreen. That's why I love games on iOS that are either simulations or just take advantage of touchscreen controls.
i too, don't get how this is a valid argument. i don't see tablets/smart phones taking anything away from gamers who want mobile titles, since those gamers want to play high quality games with solid controls. seems like two pretty distinct markets to me, but hey, i'm no analyst.
@Tristix
Ditto, not trying to bash the mobile market, but there's only a handful of games that really stand out, most of the games are just $1 versions of free flash games or off-brand gaming clones. The game quality is significantly different, once the games start having the same quality, and apple releases an official add-on that allows a Dpad & button then this argument might hold steam, but for now it doesn't. Smart phones may deter some casual gamers from buying a 3DS/Vita, but people who have been gaming for a while now that there is a severe quality difference.
Ditto, not trying to bash the mobile market, but there's only a handful of games that really stand out, most of the games are just $1 versions of free flash games or off-brand gaming clones. The game quality is significantly different, once the games start having the same quality, and apple releases an official add-on that allows a Dpad & button then this argument might hold steam, but for now it doesn't. Smart phones may deter some casual gamers from buying a 3DS/Vita, but people who have been gaming for a while now that there is a severe quality difference.
I wish people would stop being so obsessed with championing social/facebook and iphone games. If it were up to some of the extremists out there in the industry every game would be free to play or 99 cents, be micro-transaction heavy, and only be on phones. I hope in a couple years this development fad will die down.
@llort het you do realize that the 3DS is killing the original DS first year numbers . Not only in units sold but in games after launch. I think your statement is ignorant and unfounded. But its hip to hate right.
I like REAL games when I travel, lay in bed or poop.
Mobiles games are only good when I poop.
Pooping takes about 5 minutes as I dedicate 1 min to pooping and wiping and 4 minutes to wrap up the mobile "game" I am playing.
Molbile games will never be on par with dedicated handheld devices, especially without buttons.
Poop.
Mobiles games are only good when I poop.
Pooping takes about 5 minutes as I dedicate 1 min to pooping and wiping and 4 minutes to wrap up the mobile "game" I am playing.
Molbile games will never be on par with dedicated handheld devices, especially without buttons.
Poop.
I call bullshit on it needing "social connectivity" I couldn't be happier if it told facebook and twitter to fuck right off!
Mobile gaming a a step backward. Old games look bad because they are old... Mobile games just look bad.... Because they suck. They don't realize that they have brought a new audience in, they haven't taken much away from gamers who like full experiences and not waiting room time killers. I have a few games on my iPhone but they don't hold my attention for more than 4-5 minutes then I never even open them again.
Phone gaming is a completely different market to handhelds, and the comparison between the two is frankly ridiculous. You don't see anyone playing Monster Hunter on a touchscreen phone for good reason.
In terms of hardware, PS Vita is more impressive than the 3DS.
Not only does it have more power, but its got proper dual analog and hd support as well as touch screen and motion control capabilities.
However, in terms of early software, 3DS impresses me more, well at least in temrs of games being made and published by Nintendo. So far, the only title I'd want on Vita is Vanillaware's Dragon's Crown.
Not only does it have more power, but its got proper dual analog and hd support as well as touch screen and motion control capabilities.
However, in terms of early software, 3DS impresses me more, well at least in temrs of games being made and published by Nintendo. So far, the only title I'd want on Vita is Vanillaware's Dragon's Crown.
Can we vote on not reporting on these stories anymore? We get one of these multiple times a week, and their is a unanimous consensus. They are different markets, it might make sense for someone who just wants to play sudoku & angry birds to not purchase a 3DS or Vita, but if you've been gaming for a while you that mobile phones are not the same, and will most likely never be. It's good for wasting time, but deep experiences are very very scarce.
It's a different market, just because phones have decent cameras now doesn't mean that digital camera's are going to stop being made, and that professional photographers are going to stop buying high-end camera's just because their phones can take pictures. Why is everyone an analyst these days? It's obnoxious.
It's a different market, just because phones have decent cameras now doesn't mean that digital camera's are going to stop being made, and that professional photographers are going to stop buying high-end camera's just because their phones can take pictures. Why is everyone an analyst these days? It's obnoxious.
I actually think that the WiiU is more in direct competition with PSV than mobile devices. But maybe that's because I plan to buy WiiU instead, even though I really want a PSV as well. It just doesn't seem that portable, not like the 3DS, and WiiU will cover me for couch play while the girlfriend watches Glee.
How could be too late? It has no real competition aside from the 3DS. Who gives a shit about tablets and phones...they're all touch controlled which is absolutely horrible for gaming.
I think, it's better to say dedicated gaming handhelds still have a place in this market AS LONG as they start understanding digital distribution, new pricing on "smaller" games/apps as well as give us something unique, what mobile devices cannot give (apart from the normal controls).
I don't think anyone is making the argument that mobile devices can match the capabilities of a dedicated handheld. The main issue is that the average consumer doesn't view analog sticks and buttons as necessary when gaming on the go. The $0.99 games appear to be a viable alternative.
@Tristrix
Why do you need that on a handheld? Don't you have console or PC that does that for you with a bigger screen?
Why do you need that on a handheld? Don't you have console or PC that does that for you with a bigger screen?
"Getting a little sick of this argument. Show me a deep, engaging gaming experience on a mobile device instead of a 99 cent time waster and I'll pay attention. Until then, kindly shut the fuck up."
You may not pay attention, but I'd argue that you aren't representative of most people. Hell, I'm a hardcore gamer, yet even I will probably skip this generation's handhelds. Why?
I have an iPhone. Why am I going to carry a Vita around? To play deep, engaging games.. y'know, the kind I would rather play at home?
You may not pay attention, but I'd argue that you aren't representative of most people. Hell, I'm a hardcore gamer, yet even I will probably skip this generation's handhelds. Why?
I have an iPhone. Why am I going to carry a Vita around? To play deep, engaging games.. y'know, the kind I would rather play at home?
My friend's mother works at Crytek and she says that they have a gigantic slingshot that they use to launch birds at pigs.
@killias2 all you atr saying is that you don't play handheld games. I think what these people don't see is that the people who exist that enjoy handhelds like PSP and DS will still buy them. These thoughts that mobile gaming can be the only place people spend money is the part people are arguing. You think if you buy 5 free or 99 cent games on your phone, you won't have the means to buy games for a vita? Both can co exist. They different audiences. Just like music genres or brands of clothing. I think people just want some numerical proof that app stores are sharply declining portables. Which there isn't any.
@Tristrix
"Show me a deep, engaging gaming experience on a mobile device instead of a 99 cent time waster and I'll pay attention. Until then, kindly shut the fuck up."
I guess that depends on your definition of deep and engaging. Broken Sword, Civilization Revolution, Dead Space, GTA: Chinatown Wars, Infinity Blade, The Sims 3 and Splinter Cell are all perfectly capable, non-trash games that work quite well with the touch screen on my iPhone, and all of them get WAY more play that my PSP due to the fact that my phone is ALWAYS with me.
What exactly are you looking for?
"Show me a deep, engaging gaming experience on a mobile device instead of a 99 cent time waster and I'll pay attention. Until then, kindly shut the fuck up."
I guess that depends on your definition of deep and engaging. Broken Sword, Civilization Revolution, Dead Space, GTA: Chinatown Wars, Infinity Blade, The Sims 3 and Splinter Cell are all perfectly capable, non-trash games that work quite well with the touch screen on my iPhone, and all of them get WAY more play that my PSP due to the fact that my phone is ALWAYS with me.
What exactly are you looking for?
Yeah, this kind of talk is so tiresome. Dedicated gaming handhelds WITH BUTTONS and dpads and such will ALWAYS have a place in the market. Tablets and phones will never beat that. Sure, throw extra value onto the dedicated gaming handhelds, but at the end of the day, they are gaming handhelds first, other shit second. It's almost like all of these jerkoffs HAVE to acknowledge the sway that Apple and the rest are perceived to have in terms of handheld gaming. But as has already been stated, Final Fantasy on my iPhone is nowhere near what I would love to play for hours, like on the DS. Case closed.
@Mr Andy
Most of those you mentioned absolutely qualify. However, it's certainly the exception rather than the rule that games like that release on a mobile platform wouldn't you say?
I'm not arguing that mobile devices aren't capable of actual gaming experiences. I'm arguing that people seem disinclined to create them. Until that changes, mobile gaming isn't something I'm at all interested in.
Most of those you mentioned absolutely qualify. However, it's certainly the exception rather than the rule that games like that release on a mobile platform wouldn't you say?
I'm not arguing that mobile devices aren't capable of actual gaming experiences. I'm arguing that people seem disinclined to create them. Until that changes, mobile gaming isn't something I'm at all interested in.
I don't think the 3DS will suffer much from this issue. Realistically, 3DS is not going ot be as online-centric as the PS Vita is. On a seperate matter, I wonder how much game development has increased for 3DS and PS Vita.
The thing about the Wii U is that it benefits from having the basic functionality of mobile devices, but at the same time, it doesn't threaten the handheld game market or have to compete directly against smart phones and tablets. Nintendo's found a way around it.The apparent hardware limitations of using the Wii U controller has a portable controller actually seems to be an advantage. I imagine we could still theortetically play Wi U games on the controller in nearby rooms, but as long as it is within range of the home console and doesn't have issues with walls and doors that aren't thick. Of course, the real point of the Wii U's portability feature is to still play in the same room ,but just without having to actually use the tv.
The Wavebird used different technology, but the wireless signal would still work if you were in another room. I even tried playing outside behind my bedroom wall with the window closed once and the controller still worked without any connection issues.
The thing about the Wii U is that it benefits from having the basic functionality of mobile devices, but at the same time, it doesn't threaten the handheld game market or have to compete directly against smart phones and tablets. Nintendo's found a way around it.The apparent hardware limitations of using the Wii U controller has a portable controller actually seems to be an advantage. I imagine we could still theortetically play Wi U games on the controller in nearby rooms, but as long as it is within range of the home console and doesn't have issues with walls and doors that aren't thick. Of course, the real point of the Wii U's portability feature is to still play in the same room ,but just without having to actually use the tv.
The Wavebird used different technology, but the wireless signal would still work if you were in another room. I even tried playing outside behind my bedroom wall with the window closed once and the controller still worked without any connection issues.
"all you atr saying is that you don't play handheld games. I think what these people don't see is that the people who exist that enjoy handhelds like PSP and DS will still buy them. These thoughts that mobile gaming can be the only place people spend money is the part people are arguing. You think if you buy 5 free or 99 cent games on your phone, you won't have the means to buy games for a vita? Both can co exist. They different audiences. Just like music genres or brands of clothing. I think people just want some numerical proof that app stores are sharply declining portables. Which there isn't any."
Here's the problem: I have a PSP, and I actually like it a lot. However, I've barely touched it since I got my iPhone. I honestly don't know what the PSP is supposed to do in this situation. Not only are there plenty of good iPhone games for quick action in the car/on the bus/waiting in the doctor's office/etc., but, more importantly, it has 3G internet. What purpose does the PSP/DS serve in this situation? Exactly when will I need it when I have an iPhone?
"They different audiences. Just like music genres or brands of clothing. I think people just want some numerical proof that app stores are sharply declining portables" - You may be onto something here, but most of the gamers I know have gone sharply over to their smartphones. I honestly don't know a single person who has a 3DS, plans on getting a 3DS, or plans on getting a Vita. Maybe games will change that, but I seriously doubt it. Keep in mind, these are the same group of people who have multiple PSP and/or DS iteration, and who have at least 2 current gen consoles in their houses.
Here's the problem: I have a PSP, and I actually like it a lot. However, I've barely touched it since I got my iPhone. I honestly don't know what the PSP is supposed to do in this situation. Not only are there plenty of good iPhone games for quick action in the car/on the bus/waiting in the doctor's office/etc., but, more importantly, it has 3G internet. What purpose does the PSP/DS serve in this situation? Exactly when will I need it when I have an iPhone?
"They different audiences. Just like music genres or brands of clothing. I think people just want some numerical proof that app stores are sharply declining portables" - You may be onto something here, but most of the gamers I know have gone sharply over to their smartphones. I honestly don't know a single person who has a 3DS, plans on getting a 3DS, or plans on getting a Vita. Maybe games will change that, but I seriously doubt it. Keep in mind, these are the same group of people who have multiple PSP and/or DS iteration, and who have at least 2 current gen consoles in their houses.
I'd also like to note that I'm actually quite impressed with the Vita. The technology is amazing. The price.. well... the price is just out-of-this-world amazing. I think Penny-Arcade said it best (some 5 months before the price was announced!): http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/1/31/
Also, like I said, I have a PSP, and I actually like it a lot. Regardless, I just don't see exactly when and where I'm supposed to use these things anymore.
Also, like I said, I have a PSP, and I actually like it a lot. Regardless, I just don't see exactly when and where I'm supposed to use these things anymore.
Tablets and phones usually are big on casual games. The Vita is for core and hardcore gaming. Theres a pretty big difference!
@Tristrix
Fair enough. But, just like with the Wii, the fact that there are a million shovelware games doesn't mean that there aren't dozens of quality games as well, same as any other system. You just have to work a little harder to sift through the garbage and find them.
Fair enough. But, just like with the Wii, the fact that there are a million shovelware games doesn't mean that there aren't dozens of quality games as well, same as any other system. You just have to work a little harder to sift through the garbage and find them.
sony and nintendo dont know it yet, but the ipad, the iphone and the ipod are going to dominate the mobile market in the future, nobody can beat the app store,look at the online store of nintendo 3ds, its shit compared to the app store. its happening, everyone who thinks different is an ignorant fanboy.
I've yet to find a reason to use a smart phone or tablet as my primary mobile gaming device. But I suppose it is the choice of the overwhelming masses (*picture: giant blob*) that makes the difference.
@killias2 I see your point. But I do think they can both exist without people saying one will get rid of the other. There are 6 billion people on this planet. But I know what you're saying for sure.
@THEvalrog
The word "dominate" is a curious word, rooted in ambiguity. Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Windows XP, Internet Explorer and Budweiser all 'dominate' their respective markets but it doesn't give an accurate depiction of their individual quality, does it?
The word "dominate" is a curious word, rooted in ambiguity. Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Windows XP, Internet Explorer and Budweiser all 'dominate' their respective markets but it doesn't give an accurate depiction of their individual quality, does it?
While I will eventually get a 3DS, I'm already sold on an iPhone for my next device. The mobile gaming market is stepping up and it's nice to have a device that plays games and does phone calls.
I still believe there will always be a market for dedicated handheld games, but it's going to shrink very soon.
I still believe there will always be a market for dedicated handheld games, but it's going to shrink very soon.
I can't really comment on ios games as I have an HTC Hero & there are virtually no decent games on the Android market, especially for a phone so underpowered. As much as I despise Apple, I'm gonna have to bite my lip & dip my toe into the black pit of shame when my long awaited upgrade comes around at the end of the year. I need to see what all the fuss is about, for research purposes you understand.
As for the Vita, I think I need to get a PS3 first.
As for the Vita, I think I need to get a PS3 first.
There's no doubt that tablets and smart phones are great for casual gaming, but I'm not a casual gamer, and therefore will be buying a Vita as soon as I can. I have yet to find a $.99 game that can really get me engaged like even PSP games can. I don't think the people who bought the DS and the PSP last handheld Gen are really going to be satisfied by the smartphone and tablet games that come down the line. There will be a lot of money made in the Angry Birds market no doubt, but there's still another 200million + people who have the appetite for real handheld games.
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