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"Alice: Madness Returns and Star Wars: The Old Republic are also going to be digital exclusives to Origin."
Well EA just lost a sale.
Well EA just lost a sale.
But but Competition in the market and all that...
NO. Competition sucks when almost everyone competing (not Valve) are greedy self centred corporations for whome the end user is the last priority.
Fuck yall EA. Fuck your couch and your Origin.
I just want corporations to place more value on the end user experience than they do, at least I have Valve to cuddle at night.
NO. Competition sucks when almost everyone competing (not Valve) are greedy self centred corporations for whome the end user is the last priority.
Fuck yall EA. Fuck your couch and your Origin.
I just want corporations to place more value on the end user experience than they do, at least I have Valve to cuddle at night.
well that sucks, i have just made room in my backlog to play crysis 2 and was going to be purchasing it. i will definitely not be getting it off of origin (i like having my steam account be my central gaming hub). also, was planning on purchasing alice for the nostalgia factor (gameplay does not look like an improvement over the first), but with it being an origin exclusive they have made it easy for me to pass it up.
I know its good to have competition, but the fact they just pulled it from steam is dickish. I hope they don't do this with ME3. They should just have free Origin exclusive DLC for their games or something. I wouldn't even mind, EA DLC is usually terrible.
People still use GWFL?!
LOL jk, as much as I hate this dick move on EA, it's great to see more DD services take on Valve and prevent them on having a monoply on the market.
LOL jk, as much as I hate this dick move on EA, it's great to see more DD services take on Valve and prevent them on having a monoply on the market.
It doesn't really bother me.
I already had an EA download manager account, so nothing changes for me. When it comes down to it, I'd rather be able to play good games than refuse to download one extra tiny program out of spite and miss out on them.
As for having to remember usernames and passwords...
Yeah, they're dicks for pulling Crysis off of Steam, but what's a person to do? I guess I might be bothered if I bought it off of steam. But I bought the boxed copy, which required me to use the EA download thingy anyways.
Sure, this opens the door for everybody and their grandma to start a DD service, but they could have done that at any time. Plus, I think Activision hates PC gamers so we don't have to worry about that for the time being.
I already had an EA download manager account, so nothing changes for me. When it comes down to it, I'd rather be able to play good games than refuse to download one extra tiny program out of spite and miss out on them.
As for having to remember usernames and passwords...
Yeah, they're dicks for pulling Crysis off of Steam, but what's a person to do? I guess I might be bothered if I bought it off of steam. But I bought the boxed copy, which required me to use the EA download thingy anyways.
Sure, this opens the door for everybody and their grandma to start a DD service, but they could have done that at any time. Plus, I think Activision hates PC gamers so we don't have to worry about that for the time being.
@Epic-KxDtoid
Is it so bad that Steam almost has a monopoly? Do they need competition? Do they? I mean look at them, they have steam sales almost over month of some sort, and for holiday season, they always have some completely absurd sale on literally everything on Steam. I bought the entire star wars collection for 5 dollars. Thats amazing.
The point is, Origin is freaking pointless. Steam already does it so well, that there is no reason for Origin to exist.
Also, Battlefield 3 IS a Origin exclusive. That's why you can't pre-order on Steam.
Personally I'm frustrated that I have to make ANOTHER account just to get BF 3. In BC2 my friends and I use Steam chat to speak to each other. Now we wont have the overlay and have to use BF3's in game mics, or vent. That's annoying.
Is it so bad that Steam almost has a monopoly? Do they need competition? Do they? I mean look at them, they have steam sales almost over month of some sort, and for holiday season, they always have some completely absurd sale on literally everything on Steam. I bought the entire star wars collection for 5 dollars. Thats amazing.
The point is, Origin is freaking pointless. Steam already does it so well, that there is no reason for Origin to exist.
Also, Battlefield 3 IS a Origin exclusive. That's why you can't pre-order on Steam.
Personally I'm frustrated that I have to make ANOTHER account just to get BF 3. In BC2 my friends and I use Steam chat to speak to each other. Now we wont have the overlay and have to use BF3's in game mics, or vent. That's annoying.
@sirninjaface yes we have to get the picket signs out once more an hate on EA , but they make it so easy to want to hate them.
I'd like to see how taking a game off the most popular digital distribution service currently available will somehow turn into MORE sales for its publisher.
I think EA's going to test the waters with a few games over Summer and if they're not selling well, then we're going to see them back on Steam without too much fuss.
@Katherine
"The point is, Origin is freaking pointless. Steam already does it so well, that there is no reason for Origin to exist"
The same can be said for Direct2Drive, GoG, OnLive, GWFL....Although they do exist, and succeed.
think about it: what's the point of trying to do something unique and original in the DD Service if Steam has a monopoly in the business. What if some publishers (Microsoft Game Studios, for one) don't like steam's approach to the service?
Not trying to sound like a dick, but a business like DD needs competition, regardless on how much awesome steam is to the pc community.
"The point is, Origin is freaking pointless. Steam already does it so well, that there is no reason for Origin to exist"
The same can be said for Direct2Drive, GoG, OnLive, GWFL....Although they do exist, and succeed.
think about it: what's the point of trying to do something unique and original in the DD Service if Steam has a monopoly in the business. What if some publishers (Microsoft Game Studios, for one) don't like steam's approach to the service?
Not trying to sound like a dick, but a business like DD needs competition, regardless on how much awesome steam is to the pc community.
@Katherine
Competition in the marketplace is always always always good. I don't care how lovely you think the monopoly-holder is, that's always always always bad. Simple economics 101.
If no one competes against Valve, the only thing keeping them honest, driving innovation and spurring them on to improve is themselves. That will only ever get you so far. Complacency happens. Competition combats complacency. It's a fact!
Competition in the marketplace is always always always good. I don't care how lovely you think the monopoly-holder is, that's always always always bad. Simple economics 101.
If no one competes against Valve, the only thing keeping them honest, driving innovation and spurring them on to improve is themselves. That will only ever get you so far. Complacency happens. Competition combats complacency. It's a fact!
I was really looking forward to BF3 and the new Alice. Oh, well. I guess they did my wallet a favor. Thanks, EA.
Don't make it a better deal on Origin with DLC or a bundle or lower price or anything. Just make it the only option, well done EA.
I wouldn't mind this, if the Oringin experience was comparable to the Steam experience. As it is not, I will still not buy anything from Origin unless it's a single player title under massive discount, my same policy for GFWL.
After finding out that BF3 will be origin exclusive, I'm kinda okay with it and annoyed.
Ill gladly shell 60 bucks to support a new jack in the business, but they just lost a fucking huge chunk of sales in the PC Division.
Origin better have great stuff to bring the ruckus to lure gamers out of their steam trance.
I'm talking "free EA game" stuff.
(Like Mass Effect 2)
(Hint.)
Ill gladly shell 60 bucks to support a new jack in the business, but they just lost a fucking huge chunk of sales in the PC Division.
Origin better have great stuff to bring the ruckus to lure gamers out of their steam trance.
I'm talking "free EA game" stuff.
(Like Mass Effect 2)
(Hint.)
Yo guys, you know those deals of the day/week/month that Valve do.
Ask yourself how many of those are for Indie games, games over 3 years old or Valve titles.
Chances are that I've encompassed the vast majority of them.
STEAM HAS DEALS! Yes; on shit that should be at that price anyway. Or Steam has sales and screws naive Indie devs who, bless their souls, have no idea about marketing, out of tonnes of money.
Steam is NOT the best service it could be. You're delusional if you think so. If Valve had real competition on the market, do you think that Railworks expansion 33 would be on deal every other day?
Ask yourself how many of those are for Indie games, games over 3 years old or Valve titles.
Chances are that I've encompassed the vast majority of them.
STEAM HAS DEALS! Yes; on shit that should be at that price anyway. Or Steam has sales and screws naive Indie devs who, bless their souls, have no idea about marketing, out of tonnes of money.
Steam is NOT the best service it could be. You're delusional if you think so. If Valve had real competition on the market, do you think that Railworks expansion 33 would be on deal every other day?
@JamnOnTheOne You are not a PC gamer... are you?
You can't resell a pc game because you get a single use cd-key when you buy the game. What you could do is resell your game account, but nobody does that, it's not safe at all.
You can't resell a pc game because you get a single use cd-key when you buy the game. What you could do is resell your game account, but nobody does that, it's not safe at all.
Is it really that much of a hassle to have another account? That's a serious question, I don't use PC game downloading services so I really don't know. From the outside looking in, it's like you're complaining about the PSN store because you already have an XBL and Wii account and you don't want to be bothered with another option.
Meh, if you want to entice customers to your service offer slightly better prices for your product than Steam. Making it exclusive just makes me less interested.
This is EA trying to monopolize digital distribution of their games. It is not "more competition." When you could get EA games from GFWL, or Steam or wherever -- that was competition. This is the opposite.
Their IP, their right to do this, I suppose. But it's unlikely to make things better for us.
Their IP, their right to do this, I suppose. But it's unlikely to make things better for us.
Just going to chime in and say its not really competition when EA doesn't let the other competitors sell their products anymore.
I was waiting for a sale on Crysis 2 on Steam, and now I guess I'll be waiting a bit longer, because I refuse to buy it any other way...
I already have Steam and Impulse. That's enough. And I certainly don't want to oblige EA on this. If they make Mass Effect 3 exclusive to Origin...well let's just say I'll assume direct control...
Wow, the level of hatred on these forums is amazing. Regardless of anybody's personal feelings towards EA, how is anything they did wrong? Why is EA demonized for wanting to control the distribution channel for their online sales?
People it is business, plain and simple. They aren't being evil, they are trying to increase their revenue shares by eliminating the middle man. I am shocked that more major developers aren't doing it already. Is it wrong for evil Microsoft to only allow you to buy Halo games on the 360? No, of course not, because they own the IP and the system it plays on. Seems to me EA wanting you to buy the game from them directly is well within their rights.
Folks seem to have this entitlement mentality about how they deserve things. Like you somehow deserve or have the right to tell a company like EA how to do business. You want to make them suffer for whatever reason? Don't buy their products, plain and simple. Every time they do something new in their business it is followed by vile and vitriol from folks who continue to buy their products.
While it is annoying to have yet another application to run, it really is not that big of a deal. Anybody who needs counseling for having to double click on a new app in order to buy or play digital EA products let me know and we can try and start a support group.
People it is business, plain and simple. They aren't being evil, they are trying to increase their revenue shares by eliminating the middle man. I am shocked that more major developers aren't doing it already. Is it wrong for evil Microsoft to only allow you to buy Halo games on the 360? No, of course not, because they own the IP and the system it plays on. Seems to me EA wanting you to buy the game from them directly is well within their rights.
Folks seem to have this entitlement mentality about how they deserve things. Like you somehow deserve or have the right to tell a company like EA how to do business. You want to make them suffer for whatever reason? Don't buy their products, plain and simple. Every time they do something new in their business it is followed by vile and vitriol from folks who continue to buy their products.
While it is annoying to have yet another application to run, it really is not that big of a deal. Anybody who needs counseling for having to double click on a new app in order to buy or play digital EA products let me know and we can try and start a support group.
It's amazing how quickly Crysis 2 for PC when from sure buy to (after initial round of PC issues) future buy to (after this) no buy. Honestly, any enthusiasm I had is gone. The sad part is I played through Crysis and Crysis Warhead a few months back to prepare myself. However, it was fun, and it's not like it took me long. I literally think I beat both games in one sitting.
"I know its good to have competition"
It's not competition. In fact, it's the opposite! When a game can only be purchased from one outlet, it is monopoly....
"I know its good to have competition"
It's not competition. In fact, it's the opposite! When a game can only be purchased from one outlet, it is monopoly....
Well, I might have eventually bought crysis2, but now I will not. I'm tired of getting another dig dist service for every game publisher.
Are we really bitching about creating new accounts for programs?
I probably create 2-3 accounts a month for the random website and/or program. Last I checked, Steam makes you create an account...so obviously hating EA for the same thing is flawed logic. Steam was created with exclusive content as its driving force, eliminating others from offering Half-Life and other Valve titles for download. So this is about as hypocritical as it gets.
Jim says jump, and up you guys go...
I probably create 2-3 accounts a month for the random website and/or program. Last I checked, Steam makes you create an account...so obviously hating EA for the same thing is flawed logic. Steam was created with exclusive content as its driving force, eliminating others from offering Half-Life and other Valve titles for download. So this is about as hypocritical as it gets.
Jim says jump, and up you guys go...
@Epic-KxDtoid
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@Tristrix
Yeah okay that's fair. ;P I'll concede to those points.
Still...Its just something about EA themselves. They just make me feel nervous. Regardless of what they do with Origin I'm sticking With Steam for any PC related purchases. I'll get BF3 at retail.
Mass Effect 3 I'm getting at retail too. I play those on 360.
I definitely agree though; Battlefield 3 not being on Steam is going to lose them a lot of business. Its weird considering how personal and public they've made their quest to top Activision's Call of Duty sales. Now that just seems impossible. Even more so than before.
@Natural 20
Something you forgot about your, "STEAM HAS SALES" rant is that, in spite of the sales making the games cheaper and more appropriately priced for age and relevancy, at least the have sales. Nobody else makes any attempt to make their games cheap. Ever. So frankly I don't care what you say on that subject. Sure it's not perfect and has room for improvement, but I'll be damned if that makes it not good in its present state.
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@Tristrix
Yeah okay that's fair. ;P I'll concede to those points.
Still...Its just something about EA themselves. They just make me feel nervous. Regardless of what they do with Origin I'm sticking With Steam for any PC related purchases. I'll get BF3 at retail.
Mass Effect 3 I'm getting at retail too. I play those on 360.
I definitely agree though; Battlefield 3 not being on Steam is going to lose them a lot of business. Its weird considering how personal and public they've made their quest to top Activision's Call of Duty sales. Now that just seems impossible. Even more so than before.
@Natural 20
Something you forgot about your, "STEAM HAS SALES" rant is that, in spite of the sales making the games cheaper and more appropriately priced for age and relevancy, at least the have sales. Nobody else makes any attempt to make their games cheap. Ever. So frankly I don't care what you say on that subject. Sure it's not perfect and has room for improvement, but I'll be damned if that makes it not good in its present state.
@spuhgeddi, @Frogboss: agreed, totally not competition.
@Natural20: I imagine that many indie devs that publish through Steam would disagree. Valve has shown that games can sell MORE units the weekend after their Steam weekend deal. Valve offers one of the best publishing models for indie devs, and that's coming from the devs themselves.
On Deals: Steam has already had a deal on Dragon Age 2, admittedly it was a measly 15%. Of course you aren't going to get ridiculous deals on new (< 1 year old) games, people would just wait for this ridiculous deals instead of buying the game when it comes out.
On Railworks: Really?!? That's your example? A game that abuses Steam's Specials tab to promote their game to the front page.
@Natural20: I imagine that many indie devs that publish through Steam would disagree. Valve has shown that games can sell MORE units the weekend after their Steam weekend deal. Valve offers one of the best publishing models for indie devs, and that's coming from the devs themselves.
On Deals: Steam has already had a deal on Dragon Age 2, admittedly it was a measly 15%. Of course you aren't going to get ridiculous deals on new (< 1 year old) games, people would just wait for this ridiculous deals instead of buying the game when it comes out.
On Railworks: Really?!? That's your example? A game that abuses Steam's Specials tab to promote their game to the front page.
While it is certainly within EA's right to try and compete with Steam, I will now no longer be buying Crysis 2 (despite having plans to do so once I had the funds) and there's a pretty good chance that I'm not going to bother trying The Old Republic right away if at all (again, despite having plans to do so. Though on this front I'd be willing to pick up a hard copy maybe).
Fact of the matter is, I prefer Steam being the method in which I purchase nearly every PC game I own. That personal preference alone wins out.
Fact of the matter is, I prefer Steam being the method in which I purchase nearly every PC game I own. That personal preference alone wins out.
@Scamp115
Thank you. I agree on all points.
@lAboMbA
Jim doesn't have to say it first. I didn't like the Origin since it was announced. Yes you need an account for steam, but I made that 7 years ago. This is just another account to add to a increasingly huge list, and it's a minor annoyance that I wouldn't have to deal with, if they just used Steam.
They could offer incentive.
For example, that awful plan they have for the Physical Warfare pack? Make it Origin Purchasable to cool peoples jets on that. Or make it related to an Origin pre-order instead of just a few UK retailers. Or make BF3 10 bucks cheaper on Origin. But removing Crysis and other EA games is Silly.
Thank you. I agree on all points.
@lAboMbA
Jim doesn't have to say it first. I didn't like the Origin since it was announced. Yes you need an account for steam, but I made that 7 years ago. This is just another account to add to a increasingly huge list, and it's a minor annoyance that I wouldn't have to deal with, if they just used Steam.
They could offer incentive.
For example, that awful plan they have for the Physical Warfare pack? Make it Origin Purchasable to cool peoples jets on that. Or make it related to an Origin pre-order instead of just a few UK retailers. Or make BF3 10 bucks cheaper on Origin. But removing Crysis and other EA games is Silly.
The funny thing is, TOR is already destined to fail due to the overwhelmingly negative response to every bit of leaked footage, and they just go an make their market even smaller by pulling this shit. I know quite a lot of people who have opted to pirate Alice: Madness Returns because they simply do not want another client installed on their PC that's doing sod-all.
At least there's a silver lining. They aren't stupid enough to have announced BF3 is Origin exclusive. Let's hope it stays that way (though if it didn't, I'd just get it retail instead.)
At least there's a silver lining. They aren't stupid enough to have announced BF3 is Origin exclusive. Let's hope it stays that way (though if it didn't, I'd just get it retail instead.)
Here's an idea for EA: Have the game on all platforms but massively discount it on Origin. You keep your Steam-sales and customers can get in on your new bs if they want the game for cheap. Everyone's happy.
But that probably would not dickish enough.
But that probably would not dickish enough.
Unless EA does something to make Origin worth it, looks like I won't be buying of their PC games anytime soon. Seeing as EA has slowly gone back to their old ways of dicking customers, I can't see this new service having any specials or sales that make it so easy for people to buy games off steam. Really expect them to mark one of their best selling games or series of games down to $5, when they have so few other games to offer at the same time? No thank you EA, I was planning to buy Crysis after I upgraded my computer next week, but oh well... Guess it's Portal 2 instead... Wait... Doesn't EA have some hand in distributing that game now?! o_O
Yea...this is kinda why I like buying games on disc. There's less bullshit to deal with. Just add a disc check and call it a day.
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