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Croal pulls BioWare's head out of sand: Infanticide metaphors ensue photo

N'Gai Croal of Level Up currently has a most interesting article concerning the notorious Mass Effect "Sexbox" report that disgusted videogamers the world over. Seeking an actual statement from BioWare members who have remained, in Croal's opinion, far too quiet about the affair, he got co-founder Ray Muzyka to say something out loud:

We asked Muzyka about this during the last night's D.I.C.E. Summit cocktail party. He told us that he wanted to first let the community respond to the erroneous statements made by Lawrence and other Fox News panelists (which he colorfully likened to having a complete stranger hold a gun to the head of one's newborn baby) and that he'd been heartened by the support that BioWare had received. As for why he and his colleagues didn't take the lead on the rebuttal, Muzyka not only cited the quote he'd given the New York Times, but added that there were different ways to respond to incidents such as these, and that his focus would be to continue to loudly proclaim at every opportunity that videogames are an art form deserving of serious respect.

N'Gai goes on to point out that although Fox News should rightfully be admonished for the horrendous stunt it pulled, we should also look carefully at who continues to let mainstream media outlets get away with it. Croal speaks of the ostrich-mentality of videogame creators, the artists themselves who should be in the vanguard, defending that which they have produced. While we, the gamers, and journalists like Geoff Keighley, have railed out against the unethical misrepresentations of the industry we love, those within that industry, the creative forces that drive it, are nowhere to be seen.

And the sad thing is, N'Gai is correct. Electronic Arts took a big step forward and is a shining example to all in the games industry (I know, ironic) for actually calling Fox on its nonsense. BioWare should not have kept quiet. Microsoft should have said something. The videogames industry is under attack and we're the ones fighting for it. It's time that videogames got the respect it deserves, but it needs to begin from within. The videogames industry needs to respect itself first.


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Mister Disco's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:22
Mister Disco
Amen to that, brother. Games have been media's whipping boy and scapegoat for far too long, and it's usually gamers themselves defending their pastime. Here's to hoping that when these attacks happen again (and we all know they will continue far into the future), we have some more backup from the makers themselves.
Axion22's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:25
Axion22
Great post. We're conscripts of the video game industry army. I really love how this FOX event has sparked a lot of attention on how unfairly videogames are represented by competing forms of "entertainment."
burglarize's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:26
burglarize
Consider yourself TOLD videogaming industry!
mgmgarcia01's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:26
mgmgarcia01
Word.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:32
Wedge
Ummm... Bioware is a subsidiary of EA now, so it's EA's job to be handling the PR related issues, not the developer.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:37
JamnOnTheOne
I'm not entirely certain, but did the ESRB get involved at all? Given VirtualGirl(?)'s stance that we need to be pimping out the ESRB and it's ratings system before legislation, I would think that "we" should be expecting (demanding?) the ESRB to be at the forefront of these kind of battles even before the actual publishers and development houses no? If they can hand out ratings, but not take action when those games they rate come under fire, what good are they?

I don't know about anyone else, but if "we're" fighting it's not anyone of importance. Hilary Clinton may end up being the democratic party nominee here in the states (she hates games), where were the gamers helping to prevent that? Are we comprised of too many "not of voting age" people or are "we" just not organized enough to actually make a difference?

Unfortunately, much of the outcry from the gaming media I think gets lost in the shuffle because there is no mainstream recognition for any of the "gaming media" and who they are. Who would you want to put on that pedestal as the "gaming media" icon to speak for you?
GrayFox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:37
GrayFox
You just know that deep down BioWare/EA are loving all of this attention, negative or not. It gets people talking about their product. Although it makes videogames as an artform look less respectable, I'm sure the increase in sales helps them sleep at night.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:38
Jim Sterling
Wedge: BioWare is the creative vision behind Mass Effect. It should have said something. As N'Gai points out, the writer of a book, the director of a movie, they would defend their babies. A critically slated movie would not, for instance, be defended by Paramount or Universal. The creator would step up to the plate.

Saying "it's not our job" is still ostriching.
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:45
brainderailment
RESPECK DOGG!
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 19:50
Samit Sarkar
I’m glad that N’Gai and Jim have finally come out and said this. I was very surprised that BioWare didn’t immediately spring to the defense of their “baby”, as Muzyka put it. Did they assume that just because EA said something, they didn’t need to? That’s crap. I’d say that it would’ve been even more important for BioWare, as the company that had shed blood, sweat, and tears for years on the product, to call out Fox News for its bullshit.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 20:19
ceark
that's a friggen good point.
Ritalin Twitch's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 20:20
Ritalin Twitch
If you think Fox news spreads lies and misinformation about videogames you should see their political coverage. Woof.

Jamn-
I would guess that there are a lot of gamers who are voting age. Unfortunately they lie within that 18-30 demographic that traditionally doesn't vote. America has horrible poll turnouts as it stands and that demographic is one of the worst. Its hard to be shocked that politicians from both sides of the aisle ignore people who wont speak for themselves.

Politically, most anti-videogame legislation seems to take place at the state level, so finding out which political district you live in and who represents you is important if your interested in gaming politics. Local reps are usually fairly accessable and a letter or three can go a long way to getting something done.
Rucksack's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 20:24
Rucksack
I think if Bioware responded immediately to the accusations leveled at Mass Effect the results would have been completely detrimental to the Gamer cause.

Nothing looks worse than someone who clearly stands to make money off of a product being the first, sometimes only, individual defending it. Anything they say would be construed as being self-interested.

It's usually best to let the general public or fan community go to bat first, because a massive popular response seems a lot more credible than a corporate one.

Bioware made the right call and it paid off.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 20:26
timtheterrible
Grow a pair, BioWare.
grrza's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 20:34
grrza
I think Rucksack is right. People and companies in the industry walk a fine line between being justifiably righteous and coming off as defensive. In some sense, they're just not feeding the trolls. I agree they should do something, but a huge call to arms might be much.
Lazerface84's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 20:52
Lazerface84
Fox is Newscorp.
Newscorp owns IGN, Gamespy, Fileplanet etc.
They do massive deals with Microsoft.
Microsoft published Mass Effect.
This is all advertising.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 21:09
Cheeburga
Fight the power!
Crumpet Lips's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 21:34
Crumpet Lips
I agree. Fuck Fox. Thank god we don't have that shite here in Aus
duhJeenyus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 21:35
duhJeenyus
@ Rucksack

You're right. It's our job to take a stand first and let the companies who gave birth to it back us and the stand we're taking. For Bioware to have done nothing so far and let EA, their new daddy take all of the credit/blame for doing so, they are guilty of that much. Seeing as how they have slaved over the game as grrza said, they could have done much more. If the intent is to make games that have more of an impact than just immediate gratification from playing one of their games, Bioware should stand the fuck up and stand with their consumers and their publisher in being united against blasphemous garbage from Fox News or whomever may slur retarded rhetoric against the medium we love.

@ Ritalin Twitch

This is why gamers have gone so far as to make petitions for things that they don't like, justified or not (DMC on 360 for example, stupid). There isn't a whole lot that our reps from our states are willing to do besides send back a letter (if we're lucky) acknowledging our discontent with a situation with a disingenuous stamp for a signature. Unless you're Jack Thompson writing letters to Hillary Clinton about the perceived dangers of videogames and their content, then our representatives most likely don't care unless it will benefit them in some way, especially in an election year.

Microsoft as a game publisher and as a company that is relying on gamers to keep their stock from sinking in the face of the horrible product they call Vista, should be spending a little more time defending something they marketed so heavily in commercials and in a special on a cable network, otherwise attacks like this will continue in the coming months with the release of a big title like GTA IV who is known to make waves in the mainstream media. I guess it's up to us to get these other companies from their corporate chairs and on the front lines with us instead of just saying that it's not their job.

United we stand, divided we fall.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 21:41
Wedge
I'm just saying I think it's stupid that you're touting EA for speaking up and Bioware not saying anything. EA is there to do the speaking for the property, that's what publishers do. Even if Bioware are the creative artists behind the game, this isn't like a book or a movie where the general public gives two shits about who the authors and directors and actors are.

At most someone may be vaguely aware of the name of development studios, but generally they associate with the publisher. They certainly wouldn't have a clue if actual names from the developer were releasing statements. I'm not saying that's a good thing, I'm just saying that's reality. If Bioware had said anything, nobody would have paid attention anyways, so get off their case.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:03
Capn Birdseye
It's all great to say that the average age of gamers is in the 30s, or whatever, but the reality is, most of these gamers might own a playstation and buy a sports game every year or something.

Unfortunately most gamers don't care, and don't pay attention to the media or what they are doing.

Once the old guard die off, video games will command the same attention and respect as other media formats, just like TV for the generation before us, and comics for the generation before them.
Ritalin Twitch's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:09
Ritalin Twitch
-duhjeenyus

If internet petitions are the extent of gamer activism, small wonder no one listens. Unfortunately a big part of activism is activity, and until the bitching leaves the internet and takes to the street no one will notice.
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:25
mourning orange
From the article-

"As for why he and his colleagues didn't take the lead on the rebuttal, Muzyka not only cited the quote he'd given the New York Times,"

Anyone know what Muzyka told the times?
Origim's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:30
Origim
Awesome piece and something I fully agree with. The gaming industry is experiencing the same attacks that T.V., movies and music have experienced in the past. How we respond to it will determine how long it continues and how severe it gets.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:37
Im OK
I can kind of see the reasoning behind waiting and not saying anything, at least at first. As he said, let the community start to raise an uproar first if they're going to do so, so that they don't have to do it themselves. Besides, what if they'd come out swinging and then the community had said "Whoa, hold up dude, FOX has a point there"? We all know that wouldn't have been the case, but the possibility, however remote, was still there. It was smart of them to sniff the air and see where the smoke was blowing before saying anything.

However, with all of that said, they shouldn't have waited this long, and they shouldn't have waited for someone to ask them. Especially since EA themselves jumped into the fray, Bioware should have been right there at EA's side, throwing fists left and right.

@Wedge

Honestly, when EA came out in support of Mass Effect, my initial gut reaction was "That's nice and all but why is EA saying anything about Mass... oh... right, they own Bioware now. Huh. Well how about that. I guess that makes sense. Would've been better if Bioware had come out in support of Mass Effect, but oh well."

If Bioware had said anything, nobody would have paid attention anyways, so get off their case.

If everyone who has the potential to stand up against bullshit took that kind of attitude, we'd be eyebrow deep in bullshit by now. Saying that if Bioware had said something it would have been ignored therefore it was okay that they didn't say anything is, itself, bullshit. Sure, they obviously didn't have to say anything, since the rest of us pretty much said it for them, but it would have been nice if they'd, you know, chipped in a little bit here and there. If nothing else, it would have just made the overall chorus just a little bit louder.

Of course, there was the quote in the New York Times, I suppose.... ....but I honestly don't recall there even being a quote in the New York Times until it was pointed out in the article above, personally. What was this quote and what did it say? Why wasn't it repeated and shouted to the heavens like the EA supporting Mass Effect stuff was?

Hmm, maybe you do have a point about them just being ignored if they said anything, after all.
liquidninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:38
liquidninja
The big reason games get all the flak for violence and sex is that the most vocal parents in the world suck at taking responsibility for their kids actions.

"It's not my fault little Jimmy started a crime syndicate. He was copying off of Assassin's Creed."
gideon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 22:59
gideon
Microsoft did comment on the story and are quoted. They mention the parental controls on the system - controls which could make the game completely unplayable on the system - to which the host, Martha, said, "..It always makes me laugh to hear this.....the Pandora's box is open..."

I was so disappointed in Fox News. Normally, they provide people a more sensible alternative to the ultra left-wing media (and, thusly, are the #1 cable news network), but they completely went off their rockers on this one and lost SERIOUS amounts of credibility.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 23:01
Qraze
if you create something and someone bashes it, its your responsibility to stand up, not big brother, not daddy, you are supposed to defend your creation or don't make it if you are too pussy to set things right. i'm a carpenter and if i built a house perfect and someone said oh there's a problem with the deck and their ain't, you better believe i would find out what the problem is and if there weren't i would say its perfect,i there was i would fix it but also fox is having a war on video games because not as many are watching it anymore.that's why.they see a game like halo or mario and the money being made and are mad they aren't getting a piece of it.i would rather play something that is evolving, and tv and movies are still stuck in a suspended animation they aren't evolving any besides how you watch it but you are still only watching it, a game you have to make it progess or be stuck at level one.tv and movies the story is explained to you, no choice how it will end.a game makes you decide to end it.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 23:18
Necros
Bioware should have said something significant, but at least EA was there to stand up on its behalf.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 23:25
mistic
we need no longer be silent!

REVOLUTION!

rise up against the non-gamers, grab your torches and pitchforks!

time for some rampage!!!!


/takes another happy-pill/

aaaaaaaah all good again... lets STFUAJPG!
Etelmik's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/07/2008 23:38
Etelmik
I think you're forgetting basic PR principles. When a company gets defensive it just ends up with more coverage for your enemies. Sometimes the best thing is to ignore it. I doubt this report had a big effect on sales.

The industry should do something, but just because Bioware didn't say anything doesn't mean they suck. For all we know, company infrastructure may not have allowed it.

That is all.
rockbeatspaper's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 00:17
rockbeatspaper
*tears up* God bless America! The 4th of July is my favorite holiday! No school and it's not freezing cold and the sky turns into purty colorful shines all around.
rockbeatspaper's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 00:17
rockbeatspaper
haha wrong story
Holiday's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 00:18
Holiday
Really though the Fox News bit was so ridiculous it's not even worth responding to.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 05:47
Jim Sterling
I can't believe some people still cling to the "higher ground, say nothing," theory. The games industry has been "ignoring" the insulting mainstream press since Mortal f'n Kombat. Yeah, taking that moral high ground has really shut 'em up so far.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 09:10
LordRegulus
@Jim

To be honest, I'm not so sure it's imperative that we shut them up, at least not when the accusations leveled against the industry are as absurd as they are. Anyone gullible enough to fall for Fox's sensationalism without some thorough fact-checking does not represent the intellectual ground we're supposed to be fighting for. Those people are a lost cause.

It's much more important that we maintain the appearance of sanity. The people who really matter will know who's in the right once they take a look at both sides of the "debate."

Speaking of debates, I never got a rebuttal from you...

Anyway, if we continued trying to "shut 'em up," that would make us look too defensive. After all, how can anyone outside our community be expected to look at the issue holistically if we're so eager to keep our enemies quiet? Let them spew all the bile they want; rational individuals will see the full scope in due time.

These are growing pains. I think patience is the best course of action.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 10:49
Samit Sarkar
@lemon, Im OK: Here’s the quote from the New York Times article that Muzyka was referring to:

By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”

I’m still concerned for BioWare because they didn’t take the initiative and come out on the offensive; they only said something when asked by the Times.
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 12:53
JamnOnTheOne
I still can't believe people are using the words "we need to do". What is it that people propose "we" do and more importantly who is "we"?

As I said, your average gamer is going to do NOTHING except sit in front of his/her computer and bitch relentlessly on message boards and blogs about how "we" need to do something.

What are you actually proposing "we" do Jim?
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 16:00
Im OK
By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”

Hmm, well, I don't know what more Bioware could have or should have said on the subject, honestly. He basically said that it cheeses them off that retards are saying bullshit about a game that they haven't actually played, except he said it in a much nicer manner than that. And this came out in a timely manner, so it's not like he's just now getting around to saying anything. Therefore, I don't know where all of this "Bioware didn't say anything in defense of Mass Effect" stuff is coming from, aside from the fact that this wasn't widely reported that I can recall, or if it was I just didn't see it for whatever reason. And if it was widely reported and I just didn't see it, again, where is all this "Bioware should not have kept quiet" stuff coming from then? Either the ball was dropped because this wasn't widely reported, or the ball was dropped because nobody paid any attention to it. In either case, are we now just giving Bioware a bunch of undeserved shit over this? At this point, I'm beginning to think so.
Summon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 16:16
Summon
The big problem with saying nothing is the lack of information the mainstream has about video games and video gamers. They seem to always be hearing stories like this and instead of using common sense and reasoning it out for themselve, they are going to believe this nonsense. The High ground saying only works when the public is fairly well informed and can figure out for themselves that Fox is just plain being retarded. However since for most people video games fall into the "There be dragons" category they are just going to accept the News Reporting of a giant mega corp because they have no other experience in that field. We as gamers and the Game creators have to get out there and show them we are sane and normal people and that things like this are being completely fabricated for the creation of Bad Shock News.
Summon's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 16:23
Summon
As for what "we" can do, I frequently write my local news stations. In Oklahoma it might as well be Fox News's worse 24/7. But on occasion I have gotten my comments in on the nightly news about issues like this. Also I take the time almost every time some idiot Employee at Gamestop misrepresents a games content or substance and try and help others see in my Daily life the merit of games as art. I also have written several of my congress men about some rather draconian legislation pertaining to Independent film and games. Though I'm not sure they can read "sigh". Trust me even in Oklahoma I find people who are willing to listen to our side of the story. For those of you living in the more Civilized parts I can guarantee you can make a little difference just speaking up, in class, at work or even just out and about. It dosnt have to be soap box rhetoric just prove we arent sex crazed demon spawn after their children.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 19:06
Eschatos
Fight the power!
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/08/2008 20:25
Jim Sterling
JamnOnTheOne: You're going to have to wait for my upcoming article on the subject of what I propose needs doing.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 05:18
Im OK
@Jim Sterling

Will that article be similar to this one?

Personally, what I propose "we" need to do is to stop bitching and moaning and complaining, every single time there is a post like this, about how there's nothing we can really do and about how we should just ignore everything and about how we are not going to do anything anyway and about how we should just sit around and wallow in apathy. At the absolute very least, that is what "we" should do. Beyond that, however, I am open to suggestions.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/09/2008 19:03
Fading Star
"And the sad thing is, N'Gai is correct. Electronic Arts took a big step forward and is a shining example to all in the games industry (I know, ironic)"

Lol. Great job Jim.
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