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Could retailers be dropping the 360? Euro analyst thinks so photo

Analyst Nick Parker has shot a warning at the Xbox 360, stating that declining European sales could lead to a delisting in some territories. He was speaking at the 2008 Nordic Games Conference when he spoke of the potential trouble.

"The trouble with Xbox 360 is it hasn't managed to shake off this urban, irreverent adult male feel; so it hasn't gained traction in the more casual gaming markets of mainland Europe such as France, Spain and Italy, where it's stalled," Parker stated. "And there are already rumours of Xbox 360 being delisted from certain retailers."

Parker later explained to Spong that "There were rumours a couple of months ago from people who know that region - Spain and Portugal - that some retailers were looking at de-listing. If you had to create space for those things that were going to make profit, Xbox 360 could be a candidate. It's what you'd expect in any markets where products are slow moving. Independent sales data is indicating that sales in certain regions are proving to be a challenge."

Is the Xbox 360's marketing inherently a problem? Is it really so wrong to find a stable demographic and market to it? With Nintendo capturing the hearts of mainstream audiences and likely keeping them for a while, surely it's actually a good idea to stick with the market you know and put out the games they want to play. Just because Nintendo had massive success with the Wii, it doesn't mean other companies will have the same success if they copy it, or need to do so in order to survive. it's not like the young males are a dying breed. There will always be a market for so-called "hardcore" games. When Grand Theft Auto games are unable to sell, that's when I'll worry.


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linuxguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:09
linuxguy
even japanese retailers haven't dropped it yet.But I'm sure that's just for collection purpose
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:16
Cowboy TTop
These game analysts, their business is pure speculation at best.
I take anything they say with a spoon, not pinch of salt.

I doubt he has considered, the 360 games on the way at all in this equation.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:27
GuitarAtomik
It's always weird to see how different cultures latch on to different platforms and styles of gaming. If it's only taking up space, I can't blame them for taking it off the shelf.
DOOM's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:29
DOOM
Thats RETARDED!
Bazel's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:34
Bazel
Before delisting the 360 entirely, they should consider dropping the core and elite and just sell the pro. Then retailers wouldn't need to commit as much self space displaying multiple SKUs and there wouldn't be any consumer confusion over the different versions.
BlackSheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:36
BlackSheep
well if they got rid of the PSP games...

those crazy wanks would do anything.
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:38
wonky360
This may be the case in Europe but I doubt it. Geographically video games get played less in warmer countries, 360 fans must be Blazing. Globally the 360 sales have double the ps3 with the ps3 selling as a primary video player to some this figure isnt even accurate.
Am I bad if I dont care about another country.
MmhmBeer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:42
MmhmBeer
No you aren't bad at all we're American citizens that's what we do. If the Euro's want to get rid of it who cares let em.
Merry Ho's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:46
Merry Ho
I don't think Microsoft has anything to worry about
Rucksack's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:50
Rucksack
If they're already not selling in those markets, it shouldn't really matter if they remove the 'box or not. How is this consequential?
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:53
aborto thefetus
This sounds like a load of bullshit if you ask me. Why would companies delist a console? I can understand a particular game that sells bad but not a console from this generation.
Cyberxion's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:53
Cyberxion
If retailers in the US have not yet dropped the PS3, why should Europe drop the 360? I don't know that trends are going to be similar between regions, but much like the PS3 here, there's always the chance that 360 sales could pick up there, making the console worthwhile to stock.

It seems a litte premature to drop it at this point, but what the shit do I know? I'm not an analyst.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 08:55
Takeshi
I don't like to see the 360 leave our stores. Multiple developers and their consoles are good for a competitive market. It's stupid to only think about your own country. MS makes a lot of money in other countries as well. They use that money to create stuff for you.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:00
Timmeh
No Jim, there's nothing wrong with identifying who your customer is and marketing to them. Apparently it isn't enough to know your audience any more though, you have to release 10 tons of shitware a week and add superfluous features to your games because they are current 'buzzwords'. Case in point being Battlfield:Bad Game.

If this is the trade off for not having Halo Kart, Halo Party, Dr. Halo, Halo RPG and 1,982 other shamelessly whored out titles so be it.

Then there's the fact that Spain & Portugal, I would think, weren't huge console markets anyway.
Narishma's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:02
Narishma
"There will always be a market for so-called "hardcore" games."

The problem is that those hardcore games are buying PS3s and not 360s. At least in those countries listed.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:10
wardrox
A 360? Never heard of it.

I just felt a huge tremor in the force. As if millions of fan-boys cried out but were suddenly silenced.
KamikazeTutor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:14
KamikazeTutor
As a Portuguese I can say that the LIVE structure doesn't work very well with our internet service providers.

We do have amazingly fast internet (24Mbits and growing) but we also have traffic limits. If we want unlimited downloads, we need to pay extra. There are others that even limit the uploads.

Our country was first a place of success for Sega until Sony jumped into the market.

Nintendo and Microsoft lack image here, I don't even know how the RROD problems are going here, but I can guess that getting warranty is as complicated as everything else.
For Nintendo, I blame it's representative here, Concentra, whose website has been like this for more than five or six years.
Also there's only ONE person that repairs consoles for Nintendo users, and if he doesn't know how to, he ships it to Spain.
But I digress.

There aren't many solely gaming-related shops and while GAME and GameStop are finally arriving, the previous main providers of such entertainment, hypermarkets and toy shops, have always the PlayStation hardware on a pedestal and the rest, white as ghosts, blended with the white walls, inside a glass closet, within a cluster of non gaming related junk.
Miguelcar808's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:28
Miguelcar808
Just to give some prespective from some one that lives in Portugal:
At my local retailer there's a "Halo (1)" still in it's wraper from it's original release at a reduced price.
szhlibrary's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:37
szhlibrary
@KamikazeTutor: MaxSoft is not much better than Concentra =\ Check out the broken links!

And hey, I never realised there existed a place where the PS3 outsold anything other than Japan...
Aurvantoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:37
Aurvantoid
"I doubt he has considered, the 360 games on the way at all in this equation."

He probably considered it and then realized that there are other consoles out there with better line-ups on the way.
niacin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:38
niacin
Another sign of the death of the brick and mortar retailer? Well it's not like the internet retailers need to worry about shelf space in their giant warehouses.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:45
DrNutt
CONSOLE WARS GO!

But seriously, Spain and Portugal? Of course they're not buying 360s, their countries are filled to the brim with hot, non-obese women and sexy men. They obviously have better things to do.
Rifter01's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:48
Rifter01
Having worked in retail (in USA) this doesn't surprise me. I think there have been close calls in the USA with retailers wanting to drop 1 of the 3 for quite some time due to lack of supply and various other 'rationale'. And, I think retailers being out of touch with gamers is probably always going to be a constant (besides the obvious wanting to clear more shelf space so something delightfully tacky can be in its place) no matter what the country. But image (and consumer's attitudes towards PC's OS's [Win/Linux]) is definitely a factor.
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 09:57
njsykora
The problem with the demographic that he mentions is that its likely approaching saturation, therefore no more sales or slower sales.

There's also the point that Nintendo have made the look of the Wii and the Wiimote into extremely recognisable, possibly iconic items. With those so burned into the public consiousness its highly unlikely that this 'Newton' controller for the 360 is ever going to make any headway if the people they're chasing with it decide as soon as they see it that its just a knockoff of the Wiimote just from its look.

So I think he's right, not necessarily about the 360 being taken off shelves but certainly about its current perception problem.
Quest's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 10:17
Quest
Cyberxion
06/06/2008 08:53
If retailers in the US have not yet dropped the PS3, why should Europe drop the 360?

because the PS3 is selling ok enough in US and the 360 not at all in europe that's why
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 10:19
deiga-the-semivaliant
This is kinda like how Babbage's dropped a console: the PC.

I remember 10 years ago when they had just a tiny section dedicated to console gaming.

Now it's Gamestop and it's a fucking TUMOR.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 10:22
B-Radicate
Fuck 'em.
Kif 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 10:22
Kif
Why are people surprised that a 3 year old console is starting to slow down in sales?
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 11:49
MechaMonkey
Senseless analyst blathering is senseless.
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 12:16
TrailerParkJesus
Well who cares about Europe really?
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 12:36
brainderailment
LOL @wardrox.

I doubt MS will let this happen, they only have one major territory left, they have to at least stay available in the others. Thus, why they are still in japan.
Gott's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 12:38
Gott
All it says is there were rumors of it being delisted. THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN RUMORS OF THE PS3 BEING DELISTED!

Rumors are rumors. I heard a rumor the xbox 360 spring update would bring netflix to xbox live. I heard a rumor that there is going to be a blu-ray 360. I heard a rumor...blah blah blah.
TempyMcTemp's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 13:06
TempyMcTemp
Makes sense really. This isn't about EUROPE as a blob like entity dropping the console. This is about certain regions where the 360 is selling like ass dropping console.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 14:13
Volomon
Basically Xbox360 = Child In Mans Body PS3 = Hot chicks
Cyberxion's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 16:37
Cyberxion
@ Quest

The PS3 wasn't exactly doing that great in the US for awhile there, and retailers stuck with it. Now it's doing alright. So is the 360 really doing all that badly, and if so, has it been doing badly for a long enough time for this to make any sense?

I really would like to know, and can't be bothered to look the info up for myself, being at work and not actually caring as much as it might seem.

@ Volomon

Analogies have to make sense to be good. Just so you know.
GOLD5's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 18:20
GOLD5
urban, irreverent adult male feel; - i.e. dorks. The men in those countries can still get laid if they buy a Wii but Xbox puts you securely in the no-biscuit zone..
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/06/2008 18:27
DrNutt
Yeah, as soon as I got my 360, my girlfriend stopped putting out.

Go figure.
Drunken Haze's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/07/2008 04:32
Drunken Haze
A while back it looked like the 360 had a chance in europe and what did microsoft do: spend loads of resources on trying to win over the Japanese market and left europe as if it was a given. WTGFYITA microsoft.
LarkOhiya's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/07/2008 14:12
LarkOhiya
hmmm. silly microsoft.
Batthink's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/08/2008 07:10
Batthink
No way. I mean, just because the 360 isn't selling/being profitable at the moment, it won't mean it won't sell bucketloads in the future.

If a 360 exclusive like Gears of War 2 helps sales, then it could rip that theory to shreds.
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