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WE CAN KILL PEOPLE FIGHTING FOR THEIR FREEDOM IN THE FIRST GAME, BUT KILL A FEW INNOCENTS AND IT'S MEDIA TIME.
Killing is killing. I hope this doesn't spiral into something it shouldn't.
Killing is killing. I hope this doesn't spiral into something it shouldn't.
Wouldn't it be funny if while viewing a movie like, "Air Force One" for instance, a disclaimer appeared that said:
Dear Audience,
If you might find yourself offended by the sight of Gary Oldman smearing an innocent woman's brains on the wall, please leave the room for the next ten minutes.
It just astounds me how far we have to go the appease these idiots.
Dear Audience,
If you might find yourself offended by the sight of Gary Oldman smearing an innocent woman's brains on the wall, please leave the room for the next ten minutes.
It just astounds me how far we have to go the appease these idiots.
YES! Hopefully there will also be women to rape and houses to pillage! "I curb-stomp your baby in the name of Allah!"
...will be banned in Germany, that's for sure.
Good thing I can still probably get it at my favourite games shop.
The scene is truly gut-wrenching, but I think this is how storytelling for adults should be.
Good thing I can still probably get it at my favourite games shop.
The scene is truly gut-wrenching, but I think this is how storytelling for adults should be.
I still don't get why this matters in an 18+ game. The only complaits I ever hear are "I don't want my children playing this!" when they shouldn't be in the first place.
Won't someone please think of the children?!
Meh, hopefully the potential media backlash won't go on for too long.
Meh, hopefully the potential media backlash won't go on for too long.
I can't really say I feel good about the stage and the context. I don't care all the "its just a game", or "hypocrecy of killing people instead of soldiers", well duhh... Nor does it helps establish "the depth of evil and the cold bloodedness" of terrorists, considering you are forced to play as one while slaugthering a bunch of people. If something, it creates a great sense of detachment in a series that is famous for its inmersion.
You fear the shitstorm from FOX News? I fear more the shitstorm of juvenile players claiming "MW2 is awesome, it let's you enter an airport and shoot people. Some would even crawl away when I stuck a nade... it was hilarious". You know its coming, and its doing nothing to help establish the medium as something more than kids games.
You fear the shitstorm from FOX News? I fear more the shitstorm of juvenile players claiming "MW2 is awesome, it let's you enter an airport and shoot people. Some would even crawl away when I stuck a nade... it was hilarious". You know its coming, and its doing nothing to help establish the medium as something more than kids games.
It's a compromise, I guess.
Anyone remember the entry-level quests of the Death Knight in World of Warcraft? One of the problems with any form of literature, video games included, is that you can't (or shouldn't) always be the good guy.
I'm not sure how much controversy this is going to generate once somebody points out that this takes place in a EUROPEAN airport. Make the level take place in France, and FOX might even applaud it. (I kid, of course.)
Anyone remember the entry-level quests of the Death Knight in World of Warcraft? One of the problems with any form of literature, video games included, is that you can't (or shouldn't) always be the good guy.
I'm not sure how much controversy this is going to generate once somebody points out that this takes place in a EUROPEAN airport. Make the level take place in France, and FOX might even applaud it. (I kid, of course.)
@akathatoneguy
Not at all. There are definitely grown adults who, even though they purchased an M-rated title, might not want to play through such a jarring sequence. Not to mention otherwise-well-informed parents tentatively buying the game for their kids based one the rest of the content, which isn't particularly "gory" compared to a lot of games. The fact that this isn't being censored from the game entirely is a surprise, lets not press our luck.
Not at all. There are definitely grown adults who, even though they purchased an M-rated title, might not want to play through such a jarring sequence. Not to mention otherwise-well-informed parents tentatively buying the game for their kids based one the rest of the content, which isn't particularly "gory" compared to a lot of games. The fact that this isn't being censored from the game entirely is a surprise, lets not press our luck.
Oh god... Why put this in there when it is only going to create backlash? The media is obviously going to jump all of this. When FOX highlighted Mass Effect for its "Hardcore Sex," they are going to have a field day with this one when it actually shows people gunning civilians down. If they know it is disturbing, maybe it is best to back off.
What an interesting narrative tool to use in a game. I wonder if they pull this off will it lead to other companies trying such a bold thing. I hope so. Also looking forward to the various media outlets crucifying this. It makes me chuckle. Also that reminds me, Nancy Grace is a massive twat.
Hmm.. so by purchasing Modern Warfare 2, you presumably know that there is a bunch of killing going on. But then we have to sit through a confirmation message to tell us when to expect exactly what we should have been expecting from the get-go. I would expect this in the Australian version, but not here in the good ole US of A.
Political correctness is way out of hand.
Political correctness is way out of hand.
Looking forward to the raping simulators and baby killing levels in the next installment. /sarcasm/ IW just caused the whole industry to get regulated more... watch
If a major terrorist attack happens between now and the release of MW2 then this game will be edited or canceled.
I fail to see how this is worse then terroists killing civilians in movies?
My reasons for not buying this game lies elswhere. :p
My reasons for not buying this game lies elswhere. :p
@Scion of Mogo:
No, it couldn't be a cutscene, because IW doesn't do cutscenes. The Call of Duty games are very similar to Half-Life in that respect.
@Arianol:
The terrorists are Russian, not Arab.
No, it couldn't be a cutscene, because IW doesn't do cutscenes. The Call of Duty games are very similar to Half-Life in that respect.
@Arianol:
The terrorists are Russian, not Arab.
Yeah, I can't say I really agree with this. Seems to me like it just adds unnecessary shock value. Again, this could have been a cutscene. That said, I don't deny it's right to exist either. I'll still play the game (after release, used (boycotting act-evil-vision)) but I will definitely opt to skip those scenes.
Also, I suspect playing through that part will be very different from watching somebody else play through it.
@ Jim - "try telling that to the legions of reactionary Americans who are just waiting in the wings to get offended by this rather touchy imagery."
The fact that this level doesn't bother you and other says more about you/others than anything else. Stop accusing people who try to do the right thing of being evil. That is what under the guise of snarky humor you are doing.
"accusations of tastelessness and trivialization that FOX News and the other mainstream vultures will predictably launch into".
You know why you can predict that? Because this part of the game is irresponsible, and people in their right mind should be bothered by this. I realize that you get paid and have made a name for yourself on being crass and shocking, but this video is Irresponsible and Disgusting. You Jim are just a vulture on the other side of the issue. This time you are wrong.
@Magnalon - In the army it's normal to fight and sometimes although hopefully not (based on the tales from my many good friends who have been in the Marines in Iraq/Afghanistan) kill combatants who are on the opposition. There is no circumstance in the army where you mow down hundreds of unarmed people in a public place, there is no need for this simulation.
What's the next simulation?
A 911 plane simulator game - "Hey thats edgy, bravo to them for pushing the limits"
A child molesting game - So we can finally understand how wrong it is, "thats so great someone is finally sharing the truth of the horror of it".
A Columbine reinactment game - so that way it will never happen again when people see how terrible it was, and how it permanently ended and ruined 100's of lives.
The fact that so many of you are trying to brush this off as trivial is disturbing. What in your brain says this is not horrific to watch, why are you so detached that this doesn't bother you? That is the issue that needs to be discussed.
This is the first time I've felt this way about anything in games. When something is making people sick just watching it tells you something. As an American I want to fight for freedom, the freedom of kids being untainted of this filth. This is the same as the faces of death. Simply irresponsible and disgusting.
The fact that this level doesn't bother you and other says more about you/others than anything else. Stop accusing people who try to do the right thing of being evil. That is what under the guise of snarky humor you are doing.
"accusations of tastelessness and trivialization that FOX News and the other mainstream vultures will predictably launch into".
You know why you can predict that? Because this part of the game is irresponsible, and people in their right mind should be bothered by this. I realize that you get paid and have made a name for yourself on being crass and shocking, but this video is Irresponsible and Disgusting. You Jim are just a vulture on the other side of the issue. This time you are wrong.
@Magnalon - In the army it's normal to fight and sometimes although hopefully not (based on the tales from my many good friends who have been in the Marines in Iraq/Afghanistan) kill combatants who are on the opposition. There is no circumstance in the army where you mow down hundreds of unarmed people in a public place, there is no need for this simulation.
What's the next simulation?
A 911 plane simulator game - "Hey thats edgy, bravo to them for pushing the limits"
A child molesting game - So we can finally understand how wrong it is, "thats so great someone is finally sharing the truth of the horror of it".
A Columbine reinactment game - so that way it will never happen again when people see how terrible it was, and how it permanently ended and ruined 100's of lives.
The fact that so many of you are trying to brush this off as trivial is disturbing. What in your brain says this is not horrific to watch, why are you so detached that this doesn't bother you? That is the issue that needs to be discussed.
This is the first time I've felt this way about anything in games. When something is making people sick just watching it tells you something. As an American I want to fight for freedom, the freedom of kids being untainted of this filth. This is the same as the faces of death. Simply irresponsible and disgusting.
People are weenies. I just got done reading the IW forums where people are saying, "I don't know if I will be able to fire the controller!". Seriously? You're buying a game where the sole purpose is to shoot people. Playing COD4 did you feel any remorse for shooting the middle eastern people? Of course not. This isn't real. I don't understand it. It's sad that these days all us Americans do is bitch, moan, complain, and whine. I hope i never see any of you fruitcakes on COD:MW2.
@jesusninja
I'm sorry you're offended. I'll be having a blast playing this sick twisted sh*t.
It's just a game, if you honestly think things like this should be stopped, then go talk to your government and stop the real killing and evil going on..
damn hippies
I'm sorry you're offended. I'll be having a blast playing this sick twisted sh*t.
It's just a game, if you honestly think things like this should be stopped, then go talk to your government and stop the real killing and evil going on..
damn hippies
Let them bitch and let them moan. In the end it only accomplishes one thing. Publicity. Sure 10 people might get offended and not buy the game, but 100 more gladly will.
1 more thing, this is America right here. Screw all you Nazi book burning mofos who want this stopped. Whether it's right or wrong Ima love the fact that I have the right to play this.
Fools! Now if they'd emulated Virtua Cop's block like 3D innocents who have the most atrocious voice acting EVAR nobody would bat an eyelid. As long as one didn't get shot by the enemy one had could shoot two innocents (Start with three life points, lose one for being hit or shooting innocents) without repercussions. Acceptable loss of innocents well handled.
Stupid attempt at (ptoo) immersion by Infinity Ward is to have enemy kill innocent after a disclaimer. Infinity Ward want to push the envelope in the current social climate of namby-pamby, but why bother if it's in this manner. That's what I think anyway.
Stupid attempt at (ptoo) immersion by Infinity Ward is to have enemy kill innocent after a disclaimer. Infinity Ward want to push the envelope in the current social climate of namby-pamby, but why bother if it's in this manner. That's what I think anyway.
@TheJesusNinja26
Prepare to be crucified. Personal attacks, blind rage, all that good stuff.
Personally, I see this as the purely for shock value stunt that it is. I'm not looking forward to it and I probably will skip it every time after playing that part once. But hey, IW definitely has the right to do it and it probably will get them the exact response that they are looking for.
IW has the right to do it, those of you that support the decision have the right to applaud it, and those who think that it's tasteless have the right to condemn it. No one is right or wrong in this situation.
Prepare to be crucified. Personal attacks, blind rage, all that good stuff.
Personally, I see this as the purely for shock value stunt that it is. I'm not looking forward to it and I probably will skip it every time after playing that part once. But hey, IW definitely has the right to do it and it probably will get them the exact response that they are looking for.
IW has the right to do it, those of you that support the decision have the right to applaud it, and those who think that it's tasteless have the right to condemn it. No one is right or wrong in this situation.
@ Hermes - You are 100% right. I taught high school and middle school kids and that is precisely the conversations that will occur. The argument that this is an "M" game kids shouldn't play it...duh! How many little kids are on LIVE/PSN for COD4 and CODWaW? Lots!
@ CRKFIEND - "It's sad that these days all us Americans do is bitch, moan, complain, and whine. I hope i never see any of you fruitcakes on COD:MW2."
You question someone's manhood when they are the ones standing up for what is good/right, and your floating down the stream with the other numb spineless jellyfish. The real men in the world are the ones who fight to protect the innocent, not kill them as you imply by mocking those who "are weenies" because they can't pull the trigger. I think some self examination is in order.
@ CRKFIEND - "It's sad that these days all us Americans do is bitch, moan, complain, and whine. I hope i never see any of you fruitcakes on COD:MW2."
You question someone's manhood when they are the ones standing up for what is good/right, and your floating down the stream with the other numb spineless jellyfish. The real men in the world are the ones who fight to protect the innocent, not kill them as you imply by mocking those who "are weenies" because they can't pull the trigger. I think some self examination is in order.
@ Sylvan
"This is america right here"
No, Amercia is just one country. In fact, I beleive that the original leaked footage was french. Shut the fuck up with your elitist bullshit.
"This is america right here"
No, Amercia is just one country. In fact, I beleive that the original leaked footage was french. Shut the fuck up with your elitist bullshit.
I think TheJesusNinja has it right, though I'm sure he's going to get bashed to all hell about it.
Just because something CAN be made doesn't mean it SHOULD, and just because people are touchy about it doesn't mean they are "weenies."
If I played this game (not buying from Activision, but might pick it up used in a few months) I don't think I could shoot the people, and honestly I don't know if I could watch that scene. There is a distinct difference between shooting enemies who are armed and out to kill you and innocent civilians in an airport.
Yes, it's just a game, but as stated before: IW won't make it a cutscene, because the want the game to be so immersive it draws you in. Doesn't that cancel out the "its just a game" option? You are drawn into games because you are "doing" cool, exciting, testosterone pumping things. If I'm really getting into it, gunning down innocent civilians for the sake of immersion, especially in this situation, is just plain wrong.
I think they can keep it in there, that's fine. But I think people need to stop insulting the gamers who think this is a bad idea or is offensive to them. I knew people who were on the flights that happened in 9/11. That was real, a real tragedy, and people actually died. Sure, this is "edgy" and "a step forward" to some people, but why on earth would we want to relive, and even take part in recreating such a horrible catastrophe?
Again, they have the freedom to make whatever they want, but that doesn't mean it's in any form of good taste.
Just because something CAN be made doesn't mean it SHOULD, and just because people are touchy about it doesn't mean they are "weenies."
If I played this game (not buying from Activision, but might pick it up used in a few months) I don't think I could shoot the people, and honestly I don't know if I could watch that scene. There is a distinct difference between shooting enemies who are armed and out to kill you and innocent civilians in an airport.
Yes, it's just a game, but as stated before: IW won't make it a cutscene, because the want the game to be so immersive it draws you in. Doesn't that cancel out the "its just a game" option? You are drawn into games because you are "doing" cool, exciting, testosterone pumping things. If I'm really getting into it, gunning down innocent civilians for the sake of immersion, especially in this situation, is just plain wrong.
I think they can keep it in there, that's fine. But I think people need to stop insulting the gamers who think this is a bad idea or is offensive to them. I knew people who were on the flights that happened in 9/11. That was real, a real tragedy, and people actually died. Sure, this is "edgy" and "a step forward" to some people, but why on earth would we want to relive, and even take part in recreating such a horrible catastrophe?
Again, they have the freedom to make whatever they want, but that doesn't mean it's in any form of good taste.
I didn't have much of a reaction to the Youtube video because the vid quality was bad BUT I can see myself feeling pretty icky after playing this level.
Hahaha fuck off JesusNinja, either you're trying to troll poorly or you are truly ignorant. The game is not for children and if real parents existed in America they would not be buying this for their spoiled brats, this is a game rated at least M I'm sure.
@TheJesusNinja26:
[i]"What's the next simulation?
A 911 plane simulator game - "Hey thats edgy, bravo to them for pushing the limits"
A child molesting game - So we can finally understand how wrong it is, "thats so great someone is finally sharing the truth of the horror of it".
A Columbine reinactment game - so that way it will never happen again when people see how terrible it was, and how it permanently ended and ruined 100's of lives. "[/i]
Since when is Modern Warfare 2 a simulator? Last time I checked, Russian terrorists never attacked an airport by pushing buttons on gamepads. Also, last time I checked, Modern Warfare 2's story was fictional. They even say so in the damn press release!
Those "people" players kill aren't real. They're bits of computer code. I know that, everyone else with half of a cerebrum knows that. Anyone who plays through that scene and actually thinks they're killing innocent people is either a fucking moron or insane, in which case they shouldn't be allowed to play the game anyway. The Grand Theft Auto series is based entirely around the idea of going around and randomly killing people, but there's no outcry about that from anybody intelligent.
[i]"What's the next simulation?
A 911 plane simulator game - "Hey thats edgy, bravo to them for pushing the limits"
A child molesting game - So we can finally understand how wrong it is, "thats so great someone is finally sharing the truth of the horror of it".
A Columbine reinactment game - so that way it will never happen again when people see how terrible it was, and how it permanently ended and ruined 100's of lives. "[/i]
Since when is Modern Warfare 2 a simulator? Last time I checked, Russian terrorists never attacked an airport by pushing buttons on gamepads. Also, last time I checked, Modern Warfare 2's story was fictional. They even say so in the damn press release!
Those "people" players kill aren't real. They're bits of computer code. I know that, everyone else with half of a cerebrum knows that. Anyone who plays through that scene and actually thinks they're killing innocent people is either a fucking moron or insane, in which case they shouldn't be allowed to play the game anyway. The Grand Theft Auto series is based entirely around the idea of going around and randomly killing people, but there's no outcry about that from anybody intelligent.
First of all, I am really sick of hearing all of the Fox News bashing, Jim. Granted, they may run a story on this that is way off base and quick to an incorrect conclusion about the game (Mass Effect?) but that doesn't neccessitate calling them out specifically. At least they aren't sucking up to the Obama's every 5 seconds like every other news outlet.
Secondly, I cannot imagine Infinity Ward presenting this level as a tasteless way to shock people. I think we should wait and see how they present it and what purpose it serves and I think it will only enhance the story in the end (much like the execution scene at the beginning of COD:MW 1). In fact, after seeing this video I am even more excited to play the game. Not because I have any desire whatsoever to kill innocent civilians. But because I think this will really enhance the narrative of the campaign and let us play something we will never likely forget.
Secondly, I cannot imagine Infinity Ward presenting this level as a tasteless way to shock people. I think we should wait and see how they present it and what purpose it serves and I think it will only enhance the story in the end (much like the execution scene at the beginning of COD:MW 1). In fact, after seeing this video I am even more excited to play the game. Not because I have any desire whatsoever to kill innocent civilians. But because I think this will really enhance the narrative of the campaign and let us play something we will never likely forget.
Sometimes in games I will shoot someone (friendly) to see what happens. If that person dies I feel like a creep and maybe even restart the game.
@Ruben Hanssen - "I fail to see how this is worse then terroists killing civilians in movies? My reasons for not buying this game lies elswhere."
Because it's become more then a story being told, now it is you doing it in first person. Two very different things. You will be making the choice to kill innocent people via a controller.
If this was a short cut-scene done in 3rd person and not 5 minutes of straight massacring innocent men, women, children. Then maybe I could see this driving the point home. But this is horrific.
Because it's become more then a story being told, now it is you doing it in first person. Two very different things. You will be making the choice to kill innocent people via a controller.
If this was a short cut-scene done in 3rd person and not 5 minutes of straight massacring innocent men, women, children. Then maybe I could see this driving the point home. But this is horrific.
Why are the terrorists Russian? Why be PC when innocent people all over the world are being killed by actual terrorists from actual groups? I want to shoot me some Pakistani extremists and Al-Queda goons. Might as well be historically accurate if we're going to simulate real, modern war.
@ TheJesusNinja26
War is war, if you assume that innocent people have not been murdered in Iraq/Afghanistan or any other historical conflict for that matter than you are a naive fool. The thing that really pisses me off about your statement is that fact that you are telling people that they should feel disgusted by this segment when the entire purpose of COD is to murder people. War is disgusting and pathetic, sorry that this strikes a nerve with you, but this is the reality and I applaud the makers of the game for brining it to light.
War is war, if you assume that innocent people have not been murdered in Iraq/Afghanistan or any other historical conflict for that matter than you are a naive fool. The thing that really pisses me off about your statement is that fact that you are telling people that they should feel disgusted by this segment when the entire purpose of COD is to murder people. War is disgusting and pathetic, sorry that this strikes a nerve with you, but this is the reality and I applaud the makers of the game for brining it to light.
First off this is my first post reading the posts on here have almost forced me to sign up and post. I normally just browse the site at work/home but this has me riled.
Yes, i can understand how people could take offence to this video. The first time i watched it, my stomach turned a little bit. And that was with the video muted.
But seriously guys,some of this stuff is way over the top. Its quite simple,if you dont like it, either dont buy the game or skip this mission. IW obviously realised this mission would upset some people and has added the option of not playing it. Yes it does bare a resembelince to the happenings in Mumbai, but that also just goes to show how hard IW are trying to push home the message. They are not glorifying war or violence, they are giving a representation of it that is supposed to make you wonder about certain things in life. The game is no different to a scene from a film where the same thing happened. Just because you are seeing it through the perspective of someone responsible makes the whole thing 100 times more hard hitting.
The fact is that some people are going to run through the level shooting everything that moves, whilst others wont shoot unless they have to. If you dont want to play the mission,skip it. If you disagree with the game, dont buy it. It has an 18+ certificate for a f*king reason!
P.S The game is called "Modern Warfare" and as far as i can see, this is a very modern and realistic occurance(Unfourtanetly).
Yes, i can understand how people could take offence to this video. The first time i watched it, my stomach turned a little bit. And that was with the video muted.
But seriously guys,some of this stuff is way over the top. Its quite simple,if you dont like it, either dont buy the game or skip this mission. IW obviously realised this mission would upset some people and has added the option of not playing it. Yes it does bare a resembelince to the happenings in Mumbai, but that also just goes to show how hard IW are trying to push home the message. They are not glorifying war or violence, they are giving a representation of it that is supposed to make you wonder about certain things in life. The game is no different to a scene from a film where the same thing happened. Just because you are seeing it through the perspective of someone responsible makes the whole thing 100 times more hard hitting.
The fact is that some people are going to run through the level shooting everything that moves, whilst others wont shoot unless they have to. If you dont want to play the mission,skip it. If you disagree with the game, dont buy it. It has an 18+ certificate for a f*king reason!
P.S The game is called "Modern Warfare" and as far as i can see, this is a very modern and realistic occurance(Unfourtanetly).
Also, I seem to remember a large amount of people on here defending all the rape games that were popping up a while ago. So rape simulation is okay, but murder simlation isn't?
If they really wanted immersion, couldn't they cast you as a person at the airport instead of the people actually killing innocents? Not being behind the gun would have a huge impact on the scene, and make it seem less of "ha ha die innocents" and more of "run for your life! this is horrific!" which the latter is what I'd (assume) they are trying to get across. Fleeing for your life in the face of heartless terrorists/russians/whatever would be more impactful and far less controversial then the current scene. As it stands it seriously looks as if they are doing it just to get a rise and press, which is REALLY disrespecting people who have died in acts of terrorism such as these.
Just my two cents.
Just my two cents.
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