I've heard so many people say Bayonetta is a great female role model, but I'm just not buying it. She's got that ridiculously tight outfit, she's in salacious poses, and her clothes are constantly coming off. Sorry, but that's not necessarily who I aspire to be like.
I feel the same way about males being over-sexualized. Except with males, I'm more annoyed with behavior than appearance. Look at Duke Nukem. He is the epitome of the over-sexualized male. He's ridiculously buff, is in a world full of sex jokes, and is sleeping with chicks left and right. For the record, I would never find Duke even remotely "tappable." He's just waaay too much.
(I will acknowledge that I have a bit of a personal double standard. A character's over-sexed appearance AND behavior will bother me. But with females, I am bothered more so by appearance than behavior. With males, it's more behavior than appearance.)
I prefer characters that are sexual, but not overtly sexual (to the point where their sexuality is necessary to enjoy the game). I can deal with characters like Lara Croft and Nathan Drake (I'm sorry Holmes; I know how much you can't stand Uncharted). They are attractive and charming, but it's just a character description. Their sex appeal isn't what defines them in their games.
Oh, and she didn't have 'emotional powers' in SPP, the games takes place on Vibe Island, even the enemies show different emotions in that game.
. Though there considerable variation on how individual country and culture in the west react to sex , particular with American being the most reactionary idiotic and stupid and Europeans being more comfortable with sex than violence .
.. This is still a deep part of the cultural subconscious (Tendency to associate sex with evil and the baser instinct that will cause the downfall of all society and men to be like monsters who cause this. that Generic 101 Christian Cosmology and moral beliefs) It not like the Aztec Culture of the Mesoamericans who associated Sex with good health and happiness . Also associated sexuality with positive emotions that we might consider cheesy like "happiness" , Not with a baser instinct or evil and violence most folks are familiar with. , They also had a quality typically associated sex as a higher emotion and not a lower-emotion which basically alien and foreign to Judeo-Christian cultures and difficult to understand .
(I've seen people in the west who call themselves social progressives that talk about sexuality as having a higher purpose apart of life) . but it largely completely superficial talk in the face of 2000 years of calling sex evil/woman and bringing the down fall of all society. A collection of random discussion that never turn into anything concrete or influence the production of media or art.
.Anyway Thus fantasy figures of woman coveted by a Western male and female audiences ) are always suspects of potential evil/social harm because of the Judeo-Christian culture cosmology .
The thing with Bayonetta is she upset the status quo like a lot of things that belong in japan that come here, since she was created outside of Anglo-phone cultural sphere and imported and uses random bit of western pop culture. (Really honestly nothing in Japanese games story or art has ever been presented literal or realistic , it the reason there popular , wither that be a serious story or a comedy ). They have a different art culture and a different interpretation system which difficult for a lot of folks in the West to accept ,tendency to believe that if it made in the West it somehow universal and global. Didn’t require all art to be realistic the Way Americans and European do .
I think can summarize why Bayonetta hit cord with Western audience . It not that complicated
She a female character who isn't passive meaning in the context of the game she apart(The whole of her crazy character is the show and a natural part of that world in a actually well designed solid game , and she an idea .like Dante , That a very male role , Since woman are not allowed to be ideas in Western American /UK whatever culture )
I wouldn’t consider Laura croft the same light as bayonetta . Laura-croft was a hot chick in a male world . The world Laura-croft lives in is an afterthought . Bayonetta is the complete fantasy her entire universe is made for her . Down to the chesty Goddessess boss fights . Now you may not like the character, you might not like sexuality , but none of that matterthat an opinon but the fact is the world is made for her . Same way Kratos crazy ass greek world was made for him and Uncharted Drake world was made for him down to the characters and the enemies . Same way Gears of War idealized character where made for an idealized world. laura-croft she essentially the action chick in a violent male world , that is for all intended purpose a generic male violent world with a woman in it that doesn’t need laura-croft. (Even worse with the newer Laura croft with there PR about realism). Bayonetta is in a fantasy universe of her own making built and made for her personality and crazy comedy and character . Same way Devil May cry was made for Dante ,)
(She Japanese and the Sexual Repressed ,middle class Western use Japanese related material (Manga anime) to deal with sex in ways they cannot deal with in their own media for whatever reason ; Since Japanese culture didn't have a Catholic church calling sex evil for few thousand years.) I really can't see EA or any mainstream western game company ever making something like "Catherine” I can imagine EA making 50 more war games or even generic ABC movie Heavy rain ,but Can’t imagine them making Catherine or Bayonetta ever .
. Finally Bayonetta is not burdened as a female character with having to represent all “Woman on the planet “ She only has to be a character. This really hypocritical western behavior of arguing all woman character must represent the holiest political social example of Femininity. Which never applied to male character , Male / Masculinity are Characters and Avatars and Ideas , Woman character on the other hand are Virgin Mary pillar to represent all 4 billion woman on the planet of humanity, so it seems and must be politically corrected into a clone of Alyx from Half life 2 apparently to be acceptable in games .
There's a HUGE difference.
There's a huge difference between making a character men can look up to, and want to be like, that exemplifies strength, a positive "male" trait. Versus turning women into a sex object, which while glorified is never respected in our society. We treat strong men like gods, and sexualized women as disposable, cheap whores. THAT is why this is different.
I don't speak for the entire male gender, but quite frankly I find this more than a little insulting.
You can never look at anything relating to gender with the focus purely on one or the other. Demanding that others keep discussions like this focused purely on women is a crutch that I've seen used far too many times and rarely comes down to anything more than "Boys who like sex are bad".
I think the Japanese games mirror anime and manga in someways as all industrys are in a bad shape compared to their hay day 5 or more years back. With Anime in particular finding itself been increasinly niche and so more and more shows that are been made are aimed at that niche otoku market (ie ecchi / loli and all that shite).
Many old Japanese genres like JRPGs, SRPGs and shmups are becoming increasinly niche which im afraid might go the same way as anime. Just take the shmup Deathsmiles which apart from been a great game, has you playing as sexualised 13 year old girls, which also happens to be the devs Cave's biggest selling game this genereation and the only game to be localised in the west.
P.S. Quick question Holmes, what kind of software do you use to create the voices of the characters?
Alos thanks for mentioning how women are either cutesy or nice or super sexy vixen types. I get so tired of these 2 depictions. It's like there are no gray areas for women in games. It's ridiculous. Instead of cute and sexy can't a girl just be damn cool? That's all I'd want. Just a girl defined by a splendid attractive personality that blows shit up but isn't totally lost on her humanity or self control either. I mean sheesh, the challenge or writing or creating for something that that hould be a welcome challenge for someone. If only someone would take it on.
Any fanservicey images or works you come across are fanart and do not represent how the creator draws or portrays his characters.
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My thoughts:
I think it sort of comes down to the whole idealised woman thing, it's like you said about Peach needing to just go poop. It's a crude way to put it but it basically gets to the point that women in videogames are generally depicted as unrealistic, two-dimensional caricatures of what real women are like. I think you've basically said everything I want to say already, so apart from agreeing with that I'd just say that I think what we really need is to get to a point where a female character in a game can in one scene seem very asexual (i.e. like a mother or a daughter) then in the next be sexual and express her sexuality without there seemingly being any contradiction in the shift, and without it being a 'big' thing that the female character said something sexual in the first place (since games do tend to signpost/highlight anything female characters say that may be sexual).
We do have a fair way to go before we start to get realistic female characters in games but I think things have changed slowly over the years.

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