I think the more important message is how to cure the ignorance surrounding games and parenting.
To add, big boss was not anyone's father snake and the rest were clones of him. Also big boss never raised them. Is the final part of you video meant to convey the idea that we should stop our current method of conception and turn completely to cloning? But even if this is the case he still shared the same parenting techniques as king of the cosmos. Actually no he didn't. Although both fathers were completely emotionally distant and rarely made it to their school plays, is it not true that the king of the cosmos never tried to kill his son?
Also, @mxdirector: If you pay attention, especially in the blogs, it seems that there is a much lower concentration of kids than you'd think. Tambien, that wasn't big boss, it was Papa Burch. (I don't know if you were serious about that one, sarcasm doesn't translate well online)
... this was an incredibly awesome read... and one that every parent should read (in fact I'll send a link to my brother and sister... both of whom are parents).
Video games can be a wonderful bonding and learning experience for kids... if the parents are interested enough to involve themselves in their childrens lives. My brother was never a fan of what video games could do until I bought the first Lego Star Wars games for my nephews when they were younger... and my brother used to watch them play. He saw the two boys (who had been growing apart due to the 4 year age gap) all of a sudden joining together again and working cooperatively. They enjoyed many happy hours playing the game with Dad "helping" in the background.
I think you nailed it with the point that a kid's interest in a particular game says more about the kid than the game.
Again... this is one of the very best articles I've read here on Dtoid - absolutely wonderful!
@Holmes This was a great and, dare I say, powerful read. I too had plenty of repressed/unresolved anger that distanced me from others and made it hard for people to like me. Since I was a kid even I had fantasies about hurting my classmates or others and sometimes would do so but not to the extremes I dreamt about. I went through most of my life in and out trouble at school and at home. And yes, my parents are wonderful people. It was all me not wanting to make that connection with them no matter how many toys I got from them. I was just an angry, shitty kid and I'll admit it till I die. Now, where's the "video games helped me out" speech right? They didn't. I played all the classic violent games growing up but never made the connection in my brain that killing bad guys was a good outlet for my anger issues. It wasn't until Halo 2 came out when it hit me like a ton of bricks, "killing things really mellows me out man." Everything has been pretty peachy since then. And still is as I'm currently playing through Bulletstorm after long days of work and school and loving it.
I'm not saying video games are the best outlet (music/art, being active, and driving are great also) but it works for me and my tight schedule these days. And whether or not parents care about what their kids play isn't going to affect who they are, I think it's up to them to decide. But that's just me.
Thanks Holmes.
Although I was being sarcastic, I did believe he meant "big boss", I now see the error of my ways.
As for your other comment. When I used the term "kid" I meant it in the most board and vague way possible. With in this context a kid to me is someone who really isn't old enough to have many of these issues effect them. I hope I cleared that up.
A lovely constructoid and discussion. Oh, I hope little sister appears again with drill spinning angry Big Daddy. That made me smile.
My mom didn't always like how much time I spent in front of the games as pre-teen/teenager but since I had an active social life hanging out with my friends and going to high school sporting events she didn't really think much of it.
My mom tried taking away my games once when I was getting bad grades. Though, when she saw it didn't help she let me have my games back. (thats the super short version cause I didn't want to bore anyone to death)
I got lucky that my parents were so supportive and even encouraged me to play video games. I will always appreciate my mom taking the time to come watch the opening scene for FFVII even though she had no real interest in the game. I always made my poor mom watch my favorite FMV sequences back in the original PS days.
I have a little one of my own now (just under one year) my wife agrees that playing video games is a valid pass-time for children and teenagers with age appropriate games. We're going to do our best to encourage her to explore a wide range of interests, though, so that she can continue to show the world that gaming is just another part of being a well rounded individual.
I know as a child, my parents didn't encourage violent video games, but they did express interest if I ever asked for a violent game. The fact that they expressed an interest in my interests was a very positive influence on me growing up. I didn't like a lot of violent video games, so maybe the fact that I had such a great upbringing is the reason...
I don't have any children yet, but I do live with my five-year-old cousin. He and my aunt have been living with my family for several years, and we all take part in his upbringing. Ya know, "it takes a village" and all that.
He's very big on games, and I suppose we have me to thank for that. I introduced him to a lot of my favorites as a young one, like Sonic, Mega Man, and Mario. I couldn't be happier that he is enjoying the same games that I once played.
However, another problem has sprung up unrelated to his desire to play inappropriate games (of which he has none, yet). It's that videogames have become his only source of entertainment, his ONLY outlet for creativity. When I was young, my parents were better able to devote plenty of quality "together" time, and I had plenty of friends in the neighborhood with whom to play outside. Our household is extremely busy and hectic, so we don't play with him as much as we should, nor do we do much to foster an interest in other activities than games. There also aren't many young ones in the neighborhood anymore. As a result, he wants to play games every chance he gets.
We've been able to limit his play time to weekends only, but then that's all he'll want to do on weekends. It's a very difficult situation. On one hand, he shouldn't be so glued to the machine. On the other, what else can he do? He needs more interaction with others. It's not as simple as "turning off the games" as inexperienced people would tend to say.
In any case, this all is providing me with plenty of valuable life experience. When I do have kids of my own, I'll have a leg up on new parents who don't have direct experience with adolescents and toddlers.
The Wii has re-kindled my relationship with both of my parents love it. It is great to see people who did not understand at one point finally realize how important video games were for me. You don't really have to understand completely what your kids play but being involved in their lives is the biggest part.
Just a question to you Mr.Holmes do you plan on having kids or have kids of your own?
Great Post!
I was half way though typing out a lengthy reply until my browser refreashed automatically (I dont know why but my browser IE8 really hates this site like reporting on every page a stack overflow at line 9, sometimes not loading my comments up or taking a minute to do so with double posts been a common thing)
I really should use my secondary browser Mozilla FF when visiting here. (ill type it out again after ive grabbed a drink
@ Everybody- Thanks for being so nice everybody! I want to add more to the discussion, and I probably will in a few hours, but first I really have to get on this Bit.Trip FLUX review.
The work never ends around here, but I love it.
I admire you for tackling such a huge topic. You're such an interesting person and with you background, it's lovely to see your stance on things like this.
I'm only 21, so I can only comment on the receiving side of this, but last night as my mom yelled at me because I "sit in my [computer] chair all day" I really wish she realized that playing games (especially BIT.TRIP.RUNNER, which I was playing) are what I truly enjoy in life and they define me as a person. I have a very active social life (hanging with friends playing video games no less) and I maintain a healthy body, so what if I enjoy videogames in my spare time?
Loved the video/write-up. Your sprite skills are top notch! I look forward to these every week!!
I was a giant fuck-up at school and didn't really like my parents. I kept getting in trouble all through elementary school and middle school, referrals, suspensions, child psychologists, the whole deal. I wound up going into the county's "last chance" school in 7th grade, my dad suddenly died of a heart attack while I was in 8th grade, and then wound up getting booted out of the county's "alternative learning" high school and being visited by some special needs teacher on a weekly basis for 9th grade.
Then I somehow was allowed to go to a high school across the county and do 9th grade over, and wound up getting in less serious trouble, but still wound up with ~15 minor referrals a year. I was at least developing a social life at that point. My mom died in 11th grade, and I lived under the care of my aunt from that point on. I started doing better, I made a good deal of friends and acquaintances in high school, and surprisingly went to college and got a technical degree. I have a really good job now, working on software somewhere in the defense industry.
I played video games the whole time, dunno if it's true but it seems to me that my bad influence was parenting.
As for connecting, I have to agree with this article. My dad almost never plays videogames at all, but he loves cars and everything concerning them. When I finally got him to play Gran Turismo 4 with me, it was awesome. We both enjoyed it for different reasons, but the time flew (even though we're both horrible at the game) and three hours of multi-player later I felt much closer to him. Great article and episode of Constructoid, Holmes!
But I am a member of the shmups forum which been an retro genre most members are adults so that the topic of kids and shmups/ retro pops up now and again. Basically many members encourage their family to play shmups/ retro with them, while a big reason for doing so is due to them been hardcore shmup freaks who like jusuit missionarries try to convert souls into the one true faith that is 2D arcade shooters. Theyalso relise that shmups have some good benefits if played in the right manner, IE no creditfeeding but playing for score / 1CreditCompletion or someother goal that is very challenging to accomplish but is immensely rewarding when all your hard work pays off (maybe too rewarding making addrenaline junkies out of many of us when we first catch the shmup bug)
Imo the biggest plus for anybody playing them is that it helps get the person into the work hard play hard habit due to effort they put into the game is payed back in pleasure of overcoming the hurdles, just like sports or anything else that is healthy competative.
In this day an age where kids are schooled that its not winning that matters its the taking part BS thats so anti competative. I think kids who in RL might be introverted, not very good at sports and doesnt have anything else they can excel at benefit from playing video games in a "challenge gamer" style.
It doesnt have to be shmups (although imo they really are at the top rung) but any other game that is challenging and difficult to master where the the gamer isnt allowed to stay in their comfort zone but must allways push themselves to succeed. Which I guess the correct word im after is nintendo hard which is an antithesis to many modern games that are post jrpg games that most gamers think of as hard. ie the WOW/rpg grinding or random based difficulty that doesnt need any twitched based skill to beat aslong as theyve killed enough rats to get their exp level up.
Super Meat Boy is a great example of theright game due to it been very hard but bearable do to the short bitesized stages. (thats why shmups are so short in length, I hate it when reviewers slag them off for been so) Due to the light and dark worlds / bandage collection the gamer is able to play it their own skill level. And very importantly it has perfect precise controls where any mistakes been made are the players fault. Having a system thats complex but water tight for its fairness is needed for a decent challenge game as there's nothing more disconcerting that putting effort into beating a game when crap gamers can cheat, cheese or glitch their way to the top just like broken leaderboards, xbox achievements and gamerscore (thats why i love Cave)
anyway enough of my ranting, I know its a bit long winded but because many gamers arnt the challenge / twitch gamer type I felt I needed to go into detail. I know you Holme been a lover of SMB will "get" what im saying
As for my dad hes 65 next week and has been a PC gamer for the last 10 years which is a very cool thing, hes not into hard games for like Bioshock, The Witcher on easy plus management games like theme park and theme park hospital. One bad aspect though is that he often gets mad at the game if its too difficult for him and is a very ignorant person when hes concentrating on the game. I hope to get him into online co-op gaming when Diablo 3 releases and we can play together in a 2 party team
The next generation of parents will understand games on par with how our parents understood movies - and playing games together can be an awesome family experience. As we hear the franchises we grew up with of our franchises hit on their 25-30 year anniversaries, we see more and more parents who have been exposed to video games their entire lives and have the experience to be able to judge what's age appropriate and fun to play as a group.
"but first I really have to get on this Bit.Trip FLUX review. "
-can't wait to read it =D
My middle child (an especially avid gamer already) actually wants to take it to the next level and start designing our own video games! We have downloaded Gamemaker and have started our first project together.
I think more "middle-agers" need to understand that, like it or not, videogames are going to be a part of your child's life. You can either make that yet another way in which you don't "get" your kid or you can embrace it and use it as a means to bridge the gap to your kids.
Anywho . . . Loved the vid and article. Keep it up Holmes.
Great Constructoid, and a timeless one at that! It's amazing that these discussions have been going on for 20+ years. A generation of gamers are starting to have kids, so hopefully we won't have to have this discussion in years to come.
Point is, more attention should be focused on the why than on the what.
Also: On a side note, I think that it's very healthy keep a child's interests going in lots of directions rather than on just one thing. Video Games can really be a plus for kids, but not if that's the only thing that they do. Physical exercise (sports), reading, exercises in learning about the world around them are invaluable. Ok. That's my 2 cents. Thanks again, Holmes for making our culture a little bit better one Constructoid at a time.
Ah, whatever. How can I complain? I'm not paying money for it. It's all free. Any Holmes is good Holmes. Same goes for Sterling and D: The Show hosts.
I'm 25 and have played games my entire life. My parents have not played a videogame since my older half-brother was given the original NES as a kid. They have no idea what games today are like and think of it as a childish habit I should outgrow. But some fun has come from it.
The other day I was sitting through a cutscene for Assassin's Creed 2 and my dad walked through and thought I was watching a movie, until I took control of the character and continued on my mission. He was very confused and impressed by it all. Unfortunately he still refuses to learn anything about gaming beyond the fact it is visually much better than it was in the 80s.
I think it is more a fear on their part of learning something new. For instance, "kids" pick up new games quickly, even with different control schemes across different systems, whereas a lot of their parents have trouble using the TV/DVR remote. Somewhere between the generational gap of current parent and child, there was a huge jump forward that they completely missed and that you see younger parents tending to handle a bit better bc they grew up with videogames and computers. Hopefully this problem will just completely fade into obscurity with time... as it did with rock music and everything else perceived as evil in its own time.
I once was playing shadow of the colossus with one of my friends who loved the game more than life itself, which is easy enough, its one of the mostbeautiful and poetic, but also incredibly epic games ever made.
But when I gave him ICO, he called me he next day, literally furious that I had given him "such a lame piece of garbage"
..i don't think he ever made the connection.
I once was playing shadow of the colossus with one of my friends who loved the game more than life itself, which is easy enough, its one of the mostbeautiful and poetic, but also incredibly epic games ever made.
But when I gave him ICO, he called me he next day, literally furious that I had given him "such a lame piece of garbage"
..i don't think he ever made the connection.

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