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"...but it often sounds like a big brother whining that their little brother gets to have a toy at all when they get to play with the far cooler version of the toy."
Couldn't agree more. Personally, I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 on consoles.
Couldn't agree more. Personally, I'm excited about Guild Wars 2 on consoles.
I really don't see it being very playable, from a control point of view, but maybe they can pull it off.
That said, this is still pretty far from "We are releasing this game on consoles" - they've merely announced that they have a small team pursuing the possibility, and this has sorta been known for a while now. To be honest I will be very surprised if it becomes a reality.
That said, this is still pretty far from "We are releasing this game on consoles" - they've merely announced that they have a small team pursuing the possibility, and this has sorta been known for a while now. To be honest I will be very surprised if it becomes a reality.
"I can understand the concern from players whenever a PC title is going to see release on a console, but it often sounds like a big brother whining that their little brother gets to have a toy at all when they get to play with the far cooler version of the toy."
Listen when I read your article I thought COOL! But then I read that statement above. I am a designer. That means I went to school for 4 years to learn to design (as well as taught design at a university level). Anytime you take a PC based game and port it to console design aspects will fail. Anytime you take a console game and port it to PC you will aspects that fail. Plain and simple.
It ONLY makes reasonable sense that PC gamers would bitch as aspects of their game will be broken... if its ported. Plain and simple.
Your statement makes you sound ignorant. Maybe you PC game, I'm not sure but I get the impression that you don't.
I only put 100 hours into BF3... why? because it wasn't very good... and the sad thing is its the best game of its type around. I had 600+ hours in BF2 and BF2142 because they were better.
@Conrad
@ TristanMike
If you guys actually understood what PC it's history and legacy you might have different views. I'm sorry you don't understand and think that PC gamers are snobs. Its really not the case. I am sorry that you interpret things poorly. Maybe read my blog to get a better understanding of your community.
Listen when I read your article I thought COOL! But then I read that statement above. I am a designer. That means I went to school for 4 years to learn to design (as well as taught design at a university level). Anytime you take a PC based game and port it to console design aspects will fail. Anytime you take a console game and port it to PC you will aspects that fail. Plain and simple.
It ONLY makes reasonable sense that PC gamers would bitch as aspects of their game will be broken... if its ported. Plain and simple.
Your statement makes you sound ignorant. Maybe you PC game, I'm not sure but I get the impression that you don't.
I only put 100 hours into BF3... why? because it wasn't very good... and the sad thing is its the best game of its type around. I had 600+ hours in BF2 and BF2142 because they were better.
@Conrad
@ TristanMike
If you guys actually understood what PC it's history and legacy you might have different views. I'm sorry you don't understand and think that PC gamers are snobs. Its really not the case. I am sorry that you interpret things poorly. Maybe read my blog to get a better understanding of your community.
"but it often sounds like a big brother whining that their little brother gets to have a toy at all when they get to play with the far cooler version of the toy"
No... Take a look at Oblivion and Skyrim's UI to see why PC gamers have heart attacks over this sort of thing.
No... Take a look at Oblivion and Skyrim's UI to see why PC gamers have heart attacks over this sort of thing.
No PC exclusives usually get screwed up when consoles become the focus especially RPGs and MMORPGs. Granted Guild Wars 2 has a lower amount of skills than normal so maybe this will work but it still doesn't alleviate my fears. I don't mind that more people can play it but I do mind that the game will turn out worse for a different focus.
"...but it often sounds like a big brother whining that their little brother gets to have a toy at all when they get to play with the far cooler version of the toy."
Sorry but when games are designed to be played on consoles, sacrifices are made for the sake of the platform. So it's normal to be a little nervous about plans like this. I've been waiting 7 years for GW 2.
Granted I doubt NC Soft will mess this up. As long as they keep the console community separate from the PC community it'll be fine. The last thing we need are massive communication barriers and xbox live asshats ruining a teamwork focused RPG.
Sorry but when games are designed to be played on consoles, sacrifices are made for the sake of the platform. So it's normal to be a little nervous about plans like this. I've been waiting 7 years for GW 2.
Granted I doubt NC Soft will mess this up. As long as they keep the console community separate from the PC community it'll be fine. The last thing we need are massive communication barriers and xbox live asshats ruining a teamwork focused RPG.
Oh wow the world really is coming to an end. Or well at least this game is. Very sad day. Ah well honestly the more I heard about the game the more generic it's becoming. You can't even call it a true MMO. I hate NCsoft anyway.
"but it often sounds like a big brother whining that their little brother gets to have a toy at all when they get to play with the far cooler version of the toy"
I see no reason they need to change anything, just leave the game exactly how it is for the PC and let console users plug a mouse/keyboard into that USB port on their consoles that is otherwise largely used for nothing..... I'd be taking bets on how long it would take console users to freak the hell out about using an interface they didn't like.
What usually ends up happening is the UI takes a hit so it can be developed for both platforms simultaneously and as such is generally geared for the lowest common denominator. In most cases the PC users get to deal with an interface that ends up being somewhat unintuitive because it was designed around a controller.
To be honest tho I'd actually welcome cross platform interaction. Games keep promising it (tho I don't think guild wars 2 did) but it never happens.
I see no reason they need to change anything, just leave the game exactly how it is for the PC and let console users plug a mouse/keyboard into that USB port on their consoles that is otherwise largely used for nothing..... I'd be taking bets on how long it would take console users to freak the hell out about using an interface they didn't like.
What usually ends up happening is the UI takes a hit so it can be developed for both platforms simultaneously and as such is generally geared for the lowest common denominator. In most cases the PC users get to deal with an interface that ends up being somewhat unintuitive because it was designed around a controller.
To be honest tho I'd actually welcome cross platform interaction. Games keep promising it (tho I don't think guild wars 2 did) but it never happens.
I can see the parts where people have actual concerns over something like this, but won't having an MMO spread across more than one platform help populate the community? Thus helping the MMO game evolve and grow, which is something MMOs do need.
It's more like knowing that, if your little brother is getting a toy, your parents will just buy two of the exact same toy (maybe with yours painted black instead of blue), and they will both be aimed at the little brother's age range.
@doomknight
Its weird but that's how it is for a lot of people.
But I too share his concerns Conrad. You're one of my favorite editors (dat stsche'), but the reason PC gamers get concerned isn't because we are selfish assholes and don't want our console kin to partake, it's that in porting, some things get sacrificed that wouldn't have to be if they focused first and mainly on the PC version. If they can make it work then I think that's awesome (stuff like portal 2 comes to mind), but more often than not it's been proven that bad ports/cutting corners are the more likely outcome
Its weird but that's how it is for a lot of people.
But I too share his concerns Conrad. You're one of my favorite editors (dat stsche'), but the reason PC gamers get concerned isn't because we are selfish assholes and don't want our console kin to partake, it's that in porting, some things get sacrificed that wouldn't have to be if they focused first and mainly on the PC version. If they can make it work then I think that's awesome (stuff like portal 2 comes to mind), but more often than not it's been proven that bad ports/cutting corners are the more likely outcome
Also I'd say its more like a big brother whining that the cloths they are getting are all colors/styles they don't like because they are being coordinated so their little brother will like the hand-me-downs.
It doesn't matter that you don't like red, your brother does so shut up and wear it :P
It doesn't matter that you don't like red, your brother does so shut up and wear it :P
Alright, I think you want to pay more close attention to his next comment after some fans on the forum called him out for trying to placate the PC addicts.
"*sigh*
Let me re-post my previous statement (that is also in the first post of this thread):
We stated multiple times in public that we have a small team working on a console version, but that we are fully dedicated to make the most kickass game for PC (I think the official statement did not use the word kickass, in case someone wants to semantically disect my post ).
It is amazing how the fact that we are dedicated to make the best PC game possible is completely ignored and unfounded Angst is running rampant."
06:51 PM
We've known about a small console team since late 2010, but first and foremost, Guild Wars 2 is a PC game, so don't get your hopes up for a simultaneous release. Not to mention they have never even acknowledged the possibility of using a controller, even on the PC, an option I've been asking about at every chance I get. The developers and CM's will sometimes go on Guru to address fan concerns about new feature they've announced, or field questions at conventions that were chosen by fans by way of a messenger.
The small sect of players who've been pushing for an affirmative on controller support have gone unanswered for a long time now, so when I saw this title header, I thought it was way too preemptive, and very much jumping the gun.
"*sigh*
Let me re-post my previous statement (that is also in the first post of this thread):
We stated multiple times in public that we have a small team working on a console version, but that we are fully dedicated to make the most kickass game for PC (I think the official statement did not use the word kickass, in case someone wants to semantically disect my post ).
It is amazing how the fact that we are dedicated to make the best PC game possible is completely ignored and unfounded Angst is running rampant."
06:51 PM
We've known about a small console team since late 2010, but first and foremost, Guild Wars 2 is a PC game, so don't get your hopes up for a simultaneous release. Not to mention they have never even acknowledged the possibility of using a controller, even on the PC, an option I've been asking about at every chance I get. The developers and CM's will sometimes go on Guru to address fan concerns about new feature they've announced, or field questions at conventions that were chosen by fans by way of a messenger.
The small sect of players who've been pushing for an affirmative on controller support have gone unanswered for a long time now, so when I saw this title header, I thought it was way too preemptive, and very much jumping the gun.
Oh and one more thing, for the last and please dear god, let this be the final time, NCSOFT IS NOT THE DEVELOPER you ignorant fools. Go look up ARENANET and become educated. Until then, keep your hands off of your keyboards. NCSOFT literally has nothing to do with the game, but to act as a publisher, and Arenanet has been given full control over the game (including the ever agonizing release date) Ask an NCSOFT employee if they know when the game will be released, they haven't got a clue. Only Mike O'Brien will ever know for sure
Honestly, I can understand. While PC's expand, consoles always stay stagnant. For example, FFXI. I loved that game to death, but 8 years later it's hit it's limit on the PS2 and because of that we missed out on a LOT of things (Like new races and classes.).
One way to avoid that outcome is to separate the PC and console servers like DCUO does, but by then what's the point? I think this is less about the PC master race, and more about not hearing those soul-crushing words "Due to PS_ limitations..."
One way to avoid that outcome is to separate the PC and console servers like DCUO does, but by then what's the point? I think this is less about the PC master race, and more about not hearing those soul-crushing words "Due to PS_ limitations..."
This game will be strange unless you can use a keyboard on the console, which I don't think you can... so be prepared to laugh at how slow everyone fights in PVP
@Conrad
I like you man, but that comment of yours is absolute shit. PC gamers freak out for a good reason. There's tons of precedent for games that go from PC exclusivity to consoles getting absolutely ruined.
It obviously doesn't have to be the case now since consoles can actually support a mouse and keyboard, but the concerns will remain because more often than not the results have been terrible for the PC side of gaming. And I'm saying this as someone who has predominantly played on a console his whole life.
I like you man, but that comment of yours is absolute shit. PC gamers freak out for a good reason. There's tons of precedent for games that go from PC exclusivity to consoles getting absolutely ruined.
It obviously doesn't have to be the case now since consoles can actually support a mouse and keyboard, but the concerns will remain because more often than not the results have been terrible for the PC side of gaming. And I'm saying this as someone who has predominantly played on a console his whole life.
PC fans,
We're giving you Dark Souls, one of the most deviously difficult and amazing games developed. You can stop you're whining while we gladly take Guild Wars 2.
Sincerely,
Console Gamers
We're giving you Dark Souls, one of the most deviously difficult and amazing games developed. You can stop you're whining while we gladly take Guild Wars 2.
Sincerely,
Console Gamers
@ibajiah
I'm fully aware of who arena net are. I have nearly 5000 hours on GW 1. That isn't the point though. Big decisions like this are made by the publisher. In this case NC Soft.
@L3ED
No deal. Dark Souls is pretty over rated anyway.
I'm fully aware of who arena net are. I have nearly 5000 hours on GW 1. That isn't the point though. Big decisions like this are made by the publisher. In this case NC Soft.
@L3ED
No deal. Dark Souls is pretty over rated anyway.
Also, clearly the fact that they are working on a port for Witcher 2 absolutely ruined the PC version. I mean everyone knows that game was pure shit and we can only blame the porting process. Oh wait, it was a good game. My mistake.
Did anyone play FFXIV. People aren't just bitching because they can there is a history of this stuff.
However assuming that they make the Console version standalone from the PC version i see no issue.
Without the 2 versions interacting there is no need to sacrifice something on either version. They can create a game that works well on consoles with controllers. And they can create a game that works well on PC with a M+Keyboard, with controller ability.
I'll be playing on PC and if the console version exists without touching it i'll have no problem what so ever.
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It may sound snobby or whatever, but console gamers bitch just as much when a game/developer goes multiplat such as FFXIII so i think it's a bit pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone is over protective of their exclusive titles. And everyone would prefer that people play their systems version of the game. Because at the very least more sales on that platform means more investment in the sequel on their platform or at least a larger focus.
Note: I'm kinda curious though, assuming the game doesn't get enough steam to launch alongside it's PC counterpart(GW2 has been promised as this year) Is it really the best plan to be releasing something like this on a set of system which only have 2-3 years of life left at best. Generally an MMO is a long term thing. And if MS goes the way of Software backwards compatibility there is no assurance it will run well anymore, and who knows what sony will do.
However assuming that they make the Console version standalone from the PC version i see no issue.
Without the 2 versions interacting there is no need to sacrifice something on either version. They can create a game that works well on consoles with controllers. And they can create a game that works well on PC with a M+Keyboard, with controller ability.
I'll be playing on PC and if the console version exists without touching it i'll have no problem what so ever.
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It may sound snobby or whatever, but console gamers bitch just as much when a game/developer goes multiplat such as FFXIII so i think it's a bit pot calling the kettle black.
Everyone is over protective of their exclusive titles. And everyone would prefer that people play their systems version of the game. Because at the very least more sales on that platform means more investment in the sequel on their platform or at least a larger focus.
Note: I'm kinda curious though, assuming the game doesn't get enough steam to launch alongside it's PC counterpart(GW2 has been promised as this year) Is it really the best plan to be releasing something like this on a set of system which only have 2-3 years of life left at best. Generally an MMO is a long term thing. And if MS goes the way of Software backwards compatibility there is no assurance it will run well anymore, and who knows what sony will do.
@Iron Dragon
NCSoft really doesn't have any control whatsoever over GW2. They've given ArenaNet complete autonomy for the past five years. That hasn't changed.
Seriously, guys. Pay attention.
ANet is making a PC game. They aren't sacrificing shit. If they even manage to successfully make a console version (it's still in the planning/experimental stages with a small internal team of people) it will likely not be very good, as the game is being designed 100% to be a top notch AAA PC title beginning to end.
Honestly, anybody who has been following the company and the franchise knows that this isn't the end of the world. The only people getting upset are the ones who know very little about this game, still call NCSoft the developer, probably was never interested in GW2 to begin with but are just crying about consoles possibly getting a cool game.
I really enjoy a good PC game experience but I swear to Lyssa "PC gamers" are the absolute worst.
NCSoft really doesn't have any control whatsoever over GW2. They've given ArenaNet complete autonomy for the past five years. That hasn't changed.
Seriously, guys. Pay attention.
ANet is making a PC game. They aren't sacrificing shit. If they even manage to successfully make a console version (it's still in the planning/experimental stages with a small internal team of people) it will likely not be very good, as the game is being designed 100% to be a top notch AAA PC title beginning to end.
Honestly, anybody who has been following the company and the franchise knows that this isn't the end of the world. The only people getting upset are the ones who know very little about this game, still call NCSoft the developer, probably was never interested in GW2 to begin with but are just crying about consoles possibly getting a cool game.
I really enjoy a good PC game experience but I swear to Lyssa "PC gamers" are the absolute worst.
Gorescream and MythArcana are examples of what happens with zero reading comprehension and zero common sense.
Honey Badger don't give a shit he takes what he wants, and so do console gamers. SO suck it and play master race.
GW2 got watered down long before a console port became an issue. Not that I'm saying it'll be necessarily bad, but quite a few features have been gimped or deprecated from GW1 long before the console version was announced.
@Gene Rozen
Nothing is "gimped" or "deprecated". GW2 isn't an expansion of GW1. It's a completely different game with a completely new system of gameplay.
Nothing is "gimped" or "deprecated". GW2 isn't an expansion of GW1. It's a completely different game with a completely new system of gameplay.
My general rule of thumb is that if that game is designed on the PC then ported to other platforms, I'm not going to worry. In general, to focus on the PC as the primary version means that it is most likely to get the full treatment and that the console versions will be gimped. (And I don't support the notion at all that PC-developed games should be PC exclusives. That's just idiotic.)
However, the reverse of that - developed for consoles then ported to the PC - is usually when the developers probably shouldn't even bother because few of them modify the game when it would be appropriate to take advantage of the horsepower of modern PCs.
However, the reverse of that - developed for consoles then ported to the PC - is usually when the developers probably shouldn't even bother because few of them modify the game when it would be appropriate to take advantage of the horsepower of modern PCs.
This is not good for a demanding genre like an mmo. You don't want an open world mmo confined the the limitations of console ram. Now the game is effectively capped to be no better than what a 360/ps3 can make of it.
"often sounds like a big brother whining that their little brother gets to have a toy at all when they get to play with the far cooler version of the toy."
Actually more often than not it's more like the big brother getting denied the cooler toy so that the parents can give both of them the cheaper one.
Actually more often than not it's more like the big brother getting denied the cooler toy so that the parents can give both of them the cheaper one.
Now that many factors have forced me to move to using a Mac, I'm glad for any form of console release. I've never been more hyped for a game than I have been for GW2, but sadly I'm just no rich enough to have both a Mac and a gaming PC and the Mac helps gets bills paid.
Anyway, nobody needs to be worried. They're just starting on a console version of GW2 now; the PC version of GW2 has been in development for years. It's safe to assume they're not goign to fuck over the PC version in favour of a later version with a smaller audience.
Anyway, nobody needs to be worried. They're just starting on a console version of GW2 now; the PC version of GW2 has been in development for years. It's safe to assume they're not goign to fuck over the PC version in favour of a later version with a smaller audience.
Conrad, that comment was completely unnecessary. Don't discredit a bunch of people just because you put either no thought into it or have no clue about the topic.
Fact is, they will make a PC game and maybe a console version second. But what I don't think is that they will put it out in this console generation. Also, NCSoft has signed an exclusive deal with Sony. So seeing a NCSoft/ArenaNet game on the XBox is next to non existent.
http://kotaku.com/277499/ncsoft-signs-exclusive-deal-with-sony
And why the fuck isn't this information in the actual news? Instead we have a shitty news article with no info, a whiny personal comment and confused people in the comment section.
Man DTOID, get your shit together. I never expected professional news but at least news from amateurs or fans who have a clue.
Fact is, they will make a PC game and maybe a console version second. But what I don't think is that they will put it out in this console generation. Also, NCSoft has signed an exclusive deal with Sony. So seeing a NCSoft/ArenaNet game on the XBox is next to non existent.
http://kotaku.com/277499/ncsoft-signs-exclusive-deal-with-sony
And why the fuck isn't this information in the actual news? Instead we have a shitty news article with no info, a whiny personal comment and confused people in the comment section.
Man DTOID, get your shit together. I never expected professional news but at least news from amateurs or fans who have a clue.
all former PC games going to console gets ruined. best example dragon age 2 !!! console guys will always say this is bullshit and PC guys will always whine about it. where is not a single scenario where a console version could be better than PC version. not a single one. i dare you to find one. a game being a bad port doesnt count because in perfect conditions PC version is always better than console.
Really don't believe that bringing it to the consoles is such a good idea, at least not to the 360. Microsofts infrastructure is shit, and I have a hard time not believing this game won't be dropping you out every few minutes. The biggest, over arching flaw that could be had, really will be how it connects to the games servers.
Beyond that, we've seen far too few MMO's in a "to consoles" transition state, but generally speaking the controls for such games on consoles are... Usually pretty shitty. I can see why PC gamers would complain, if this was an area they forsaw to complained about.
DCUO was an action MMO, the game was made for a gamepad. It may respond well to a keyboard/mouse set up, but its just weak overall because of its roots on a controller.
Then theres FFXI, which -from personal experience- felt watered down when controlling with a controller, compared to a keyboard. PC gamers are going to quickly note that a controller will omit the amount of skill it takes to play such a game -and Guild Wars players pride themselves on skill, I doubt Guild Wars 2 will be any different.
@josmeister
He really didn't say anything wrong. Also have a hard time determining who needs that award more when a person names an award after themselves.
Beyond that, we've seen far too few MMO's in a "to consoles" transition state, but generally speaking the controls for such games on consoles are... Usually pretty shitty. I can see why PC gamers would complain, if this was an area they forsaw to complained about.
DCUO was an action MMO, the game was made for a gamepad. It may respond well to a keyboard/mouse set up, but its just weak overall because of its roots on a controller.
Then theres FFXI, which -from personal experience- felt watered down when controlling with a controller, compared to a keyboard. PC gamers are going to quickly note that a controller will omit the amount of skill it takes to play such a game -and Guild Wars players pride themselves on skill, I doubt Guild Wars 2 will be any different.
@josmeister
He really didn't say anything wrong. Also have a hard time determining who needs that award more when a person names an award after themselves.
Controlling it on a console is more than possible enough, using that as an excuse is silly. That, and if you'd actually look at how the game plays it'd be completely intuitive with a control pad if given the proper amount of thought. Look at Amalur for a good example.
The only things I'm worried about is how control skill comes into play and all the young kids who like to curse to the high heavens.
i just want to know if there would be crossover connections with the pc versions great idea to get non mmo players that our interested i really hope they find a way to do this
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