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Command & Conquer 4 DRM: Lose Internet, lose all progress photo

Seems Electronic Arts has not only joined Ubisoft by forcing gamers to stay online while playing Command & Conquer 4, it's gone one step worse. The folks at PC Gamer have tinkered around with the game's DRM to find out just how insidious it is, and things look grim. Turns out that if you lose your connection for even a moment, you can kiss your game progress goodbye. 

When the connection drops, players will be allowed to continue their game, but they won't be able to save anything. Once the connection comes back online, players will be booted to the main menu, having lost everything since their last save. Apparently, you can quickly save and quit out the very second your connection drops, but you'll have to be on the ball to do it. 

This is what supporting a publisher with your money gets you. I'm so glad EA considers its PC customers as less than pond scum. 

Here's exactly what happens if you're disconnected while playing C&C4 [PC Gamer]








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Alasdair Duncan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:22
Alasdair Duncan
So how the fuck is this meant to discourage pirates? Seriously? "I'd better not download a torrented version, otherwise I'll miss out on this bullshit..."
Piellar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:22
Piellar
I was wondering, how long does a Command & Conquer game typically last?
Because losing 30+ minutes of gameplay is really LOLZOID.
As in, F--- that I'm gonna pirate the game.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:25
Kaspar
Looking forward to this and AssCreed being pirated up the arse.
watermanx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:28
watermanx
I think I will wait till Starcraft 2.
Guncannon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:36
Guncannon
So, all they've done is give the pirates a few extra days of delay while they create a hack that removes the DRM. Then even more people will go and pirate the game.
zod000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:38
zod000
Wow, and C & C's DRM made it the first game in their series that I did not own, I had hoped they would fix it next time, but no they decided it would be better to see just how far they can push us. Way to go EA, you have completely lost touch with reality.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:38
Excel-2011
And they were doing so well in rebuilding their image, too.

Oh well. So much for that.
mario actually's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:39
mario actually
OMG. Fuck, I hate it, but this really makes me condone illegal activities. I hope Blizzard/activision isn't planning such Shennanigaanegans for Starcraft 2. This would really piss me off.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:45
Excel-2011
@mario actually:
Not only will you have to stay connected to the internet even while you're not playing, you'll have to re-enter your serial number every other week or the authorities will be alerted.
Sassafrass's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:52
Sassafrass
I don't have a reliable internet connection at home, which means that this restriction leaves me no legal way of playing this game without insane frustration. Thanks, guys!
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:53
-PL-
Wow. I am not getting this game.
superdsblog's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:56
superdsblog
I would like to point out that due to a complete f--- up on behalf of British Telecomms I am without broadband for upto 2 weeks. This kind of DRM is really really not how this should be done.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 08:56
Nicojay2
I've said it before and I'll say again.
Lost sale here.
maybekun's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:03
maybekun
DRM is the reason why I don't play PC games.
I damn hate it.
Jos Pardilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:07
Jos Pardilla
This DRM crap is getting ridiculous.. It only slaps costumers in the face and in the end it will get even more people to pirate the game.
Sean Daisy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:08
Sean Daisy
That's just messed up. Huge middle finger to people with internet connections that aren't 100% reliable ie everyone.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:09
Sexualchocolate
If i had a PC that could play any C&C newer than Generals (which I'm loving right now) I would just pirate this bitch and avoid this bullshit.

It goes without saying, but DRM like this is fucking ridicutarded.

Off topic - Jimbo! Where you been?! I've missed you the last day or so.
It was like drop controversial, yet honest and entertaining review, then have to justify your position and show some of the stupid fucking hate you got then poof, Jim's disapeared! i was like, who are these posters? Oh yeah, it's the OTHER dtoid writers.

Welcome back there is only one fat Princess. Much love bigman. x
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:10
pokota
I will not buy this game because of this DRM. Not only does my DSL sometimes hiccup at night, but it's the principle behind it, as well. They are loudly proclaiming that they are perfectly wiling to make life difficult for honest customers as long as it also makes life difficult for pirates--even though many of those pirates will crack the DRM, meaning the honest customers will suffer more. I will look else-where for my Strategy needs. I hope EA is pleased that their efforts to annoy pirates will cost them actual loyal and honest customers.
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:15
RIMoonlight
I'm seriously hoping EA smartens up about this bullshit soon and patches it out or something. I seriously don't want to deal with obtrusive DRM. To think I assumed EA learned it's lesson after the SecuROM debacle...
Xelviar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:17
Xelviar
And EA takes about 100 backwards steps instead of gaining ground... I'm absolutely shocked AND appalled by what it does if you disconnect accidentally (as the PCGamer UK testers were doing), so I for one will NOT be playing or even buying this game.

For your fix, just play C&C The First Decade, Red Alert 3 and C&C3.
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:24
psycho terror2
geez it was bad enough before...

are they trying to kill PC gaming?
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:25
whormongr
maybe I am a bit daft on all of this but can someone explain to me how not being connected to the internet at all times while playing a game encourages piracy in any way shape or form? It's like: is the game legal?- ok it is....now is the game legal?.....ok it is...now? etc. etc.
it seems like the people that developed this form of DRM are like the kid that sits in the back of the car and constantly asks if "we are there yet"
ZRB's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:29
ZRB
this is just bullshit, there is no doubt about it. No one can make excuses about piracy or anything, this is pure 100% customer only torture straight from the developers and publishers.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:31
pokota
I'm loving the hate-train on Amazon. C&C 4 has 35 reviews and an average rating of 1 star. I think I'll add my own venom to the list.
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:31
RIMoonlight
Because this kind of DRM only punishes the paying customer. This 'you need to be connected to the internet to play' bullshit is something pirates don't need to deal with, yet the consumer does. And that consumer will ask why they're paying for the game when they can get for FREE and with less hoops to jump through.
This is idiotic and counterproductive. Plain and simple.
Schmo0zle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:32
Schmo0zle
Why the fuck do they even bother with this? Pirates just work their magic and totally remove this shit from the game or circumvent it or whatever they do, and then people who actually buy it are stuck with a load of trash.

They're giving people a reason to actually pirate their game. Amazing logical fail.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:33
Spaz
@Xelviar: Yeah i have both :).

Yeah these are the reasons that made me cancel my SP: Conviction pre-order, not only the $10 price jack but this too.

ah well, i may pick both up when they become $20, or not at all.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:34
Ganjookie
IDK you wouldnt just buy the game and then crack it open when teh hackerz take care of it ZeroC00l style, to remove this "feature".
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:36
DF
Seriously, who saw Ubisoft's DRM scheme and thought "Oh hey, that's a GREAT idea let's add it to our games ASAP!"? Look at the backlash this is receiving in the community. Is there even one site singing the praises of this DRM?

I understand it's effective. At least, until you consider the pirates. Then the game's off and all you're doing is hurting your customers. Sure, the same can be said of all DRM, but even Ubisoft's wondrous device puts your game in a suspended state of play where you can pick up where you left off (er, right?). Who was behind the bright idea to have it wipe your current progress even in SP?

I know you're supposed to save often, but this is outright ridiculous. The best part is that this doesn't affect me at all. I have no interest in C&C, and even if I did, my computer certainly could not run this at all. But boy do I fear when this thing starts becoming the norm instead of the shunned outcast.
ZRB's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:36
ZRB
@Ganjookie

True, but how does that send a message to EA? They dont give a shit what you do with your copy so long as you bought it, so its a win situation for them, which means they will continue to use it
Xelviar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:38
Xelviar
Adding to what @pokota said maybe we should *cough* invade IGN and GameSpot and give it 1.0 (or even 0) out of ten there!
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 09:41
-PL-
@psycho terror2

I think you're on to something. Maybe they really are trying to kill PC gaming. I mean, that's more potential console game sales if PC isn't an option.
Poe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:07
Poe
Anyone remember the old days when you could buy a game and just play it?
measurements's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:12
measurements
I spent more on my graphics cards than a console would have cost. I'm starting to really regret that move. Thing is: I don't want a console. I like PC's, you get to customize, to choose and to tinker. You get the editors and the unpackers and god knows what other fun adaptations, mods, ui hacks (not in a multiplayer-cheating way but in a fixing-stupid-designs way). I want to be able to give developers and designers my money for making great games. I want to be able to play all the games out there on one platform (exclusives: wtf? You just limit sales). I want piracy to fuck off, sure, because I think paying for someones hard work is a reasonable request but, based on the rocky history of drm in many spheres I can only conclude that ubisoft and now EA do not share my ideals. They want PC gaming dead. Kaput. Gone. Like I said, I'm really regretting spending money on graphics cards.
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:14
Gorescream
Westwood, forefathers of the RTS, and now look what they get. Trashed by EA, spat on by EA, and regarded as trash.

I'll never forget those miserable curs for doing that. I enjoyed all C&C games, up to Uprising, but after playing C&C 4 yesterday, it was the most lamest campaign I've ever had. Fishy huh? how they make all these mind-ofusing changes at the end of the game. Way to fucking go to devour and shit out the once Legendary Title of Command & Conquer, EA.

You're not getting my 2 cents.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:25
fetusmilk
glad i play console games now. old days of just having the CD was enough, then cd keys came out, now this. pc gaming isnt so appealing anymore. to many issues involved just to play a damn game you paid for.

im not crapping on pc gaming loved it back in the unreal tournament/ castle wolfenstine days. so please dont yell at me for commenting. im not trying to hate on anything anyone likes.
Brolsen's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:37
Brolsen
Not paying for this game. The lack of customer friendly logic behind this is just astounding. I hope pirates raep the shit out of this game :)
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:48
Maurice Tan
I don't think even pirates care much for C&C 4.
EnigmaticHarle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:50
EnigmaticHarle
Why do they continue to think this is ok? They are oblivious to the fact that their customers are their number one priority. This kind of thing better not make it around to every platform in the future for the sake of "profit" or any other reason.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:55
EdgyDude
@Poe: wow, you remember those too? how about the ones when you payed for the whole game instead of the alleged "whole game" only to have to pay more for stuff that's already on the disc, or was chopped out of the game to be sold later as extra content.
ShadowKirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 10:58
ShadowKirby
Know the sad part guys. If it got to this point, that pretty much means that both Ubisoft(the publisher) and EA pretty much gave up on PC gaming as something lucrative. Once the sells drop and piracy on their game goes up, they may just as well drop PC gaming altogether and focus on consoles where piracy is less of an issue.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 11:06
Corak
Wow makes me sad for the PC gamers out there.
Vrynix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 11:23
Vrynix
I´m not intimately familiar with EA´s policies, but can´t the DRM as used at this point of time be considered a tool to protect the initial sales?

The backlash from the community will always be there, but as seen by games released earlier, the DRM usually lightens up after a couple of weeks.
As I understand it the first couple of weeks are the time frame where you shift the most units, repurchases of the same product are rare in this industry so those first week(s) are the lifeblood and subject to the power law distribution model as seen in normal retail. When it's only a temporary measure I don't really see any harm.

But then again everything is based on presumptions and suppositions, so perhaps they're just being "agressively defensive" i.e. inconsiderate profiteering commercialists.
wormguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 11:23
wormguy
You know, I buy my PC games. With cold, hard cash. And THIS is how I get repaid? Fuck you, publishers. I'm not supporting your shit. I hope this madness doesn't continue for long, because if it does, you're not going to see my money.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 11:42
Velt
This is a slap in the penis.
I mean, Im a pc gamer, I feel outraged by this. I buy my games on STEAM, but I dont want and I didnt ask for this crap. I get "grounded" because I pay for the game?
Whgo thought this was going to change anything?
Who thought they were going to change the landscape of piracy with this?

Pirates will find a way around this one, as they allways do. Maybe they will remove the DRM in a later patch, but until then this is a no buy for me, I will pay my money to another developer who deserves it. No someone who is screwing with me.

They are going to loose sales, a lot of sales, more sales that without the DRM. Pirated dont buy games in the first place.
Waquan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 11:53
Waquan
Eh, well pirates started it, really. But publishers are obviously not the best competitors out there.
destructony's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 11:55
destructony
This madness will require legislation to protect the consumer. Much like the trans fat situation.
KupoCheer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 12:23
KupoCheer
Why don't you just stop making PC games altogether? This is a joke and an insult, and if there has ever been an actual reason to boycott a product, this is it.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 12:35
lewness
Seriously? I thought this would pass off as a bug, but this was intended? Fuck.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/19/2010 12:40
hpv
It's amazing how publishers seemed to be learning the right lessons on DRM for a while and suddenly they've decided to all throw away that learning at the same time. Oh well, good thing I don't like playing games on my computer much anymore.
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