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Yeah Rupert Murdoch owns several news stations, and news papers. And this is what we Americans call fair and balanced news.
Uh oh, Jim's going to anger the people who think we should bury our heads in the sand and hope this all goes away. Bad Jim no scone. I did like how GamePolitics called the post a tabloid, which is exactly what that piece of trash is.
I just find it interesting that, despite the constant bashing of video games, News Corp. (Murdock's company) owns IGN.
I repeat: FOX OWNS IGN.
I guess as long as he's not getting in on production, bashing the medium is ok.
I repeat: FOX OWNS IGN.
I guess as long as he's not getting in on production, bashing the medium is ok.
If he would go on a killing spree if off meds, then he shouldn't have been in public (hello asylum?). Face it, he was a crazy moron. Can't blame anything but crazy.
@Upgrayedd
It's about making money. Fox news appeals to mainly republican christens who already dislike video games. So they are going to spin the news in a way that gets them viewers from that audience. By purchasing IGN, they are able to appeal to a different group of people and still profit. Murdock himself is only going to care about whatever fills his wallet.
It's about making money. Fox news appeals to mainly republican christens who already dislike video games. So they are going to spin the news in a way that gets them viewers from that audience. By purchasing IGN, they are able to appeal to a different group of people and still profit. Murdock himself is only going to care about whatever fills his wallet.
As a European I simply don't understand HOW THE EFF THIS GUY GOT ANY WEAPONS IN THE FIRST PLACE?
Maybe just maybe the US really should ban weapons for citizens? Hmmm?
If the dude couldn't buy weapons... he wouldn't have had the chance to shoot people.
Maybe just maybe the US really should ban weapons for citizens? Hmmm?
If the dude couldn't buy weapons... he wouldn't have had the chance to shoot people.
In the game, players use imaginary money to buy shotguns, pistols and other equipment they need to move around an imaginary world in which they're constantly under threat of being killed by roving terrorists.
So are they describing Counter-Strike, or are they describing the paranoid version of the "news" that Fox et al constantly shove down our throats? Seriously, why doesn't the news ever come under fire for inciting violent behavior? Oh yeah, cause they're the ones on the witch hunt...
So are they describing Counter-Strike, or are they describing the paranoid version of the "news" that Fox et al constantly shove down our throats? Seriously, why doesn't the news ever come under fire for inciting violent behavior? Oh yeah, cause they're the ones on the witch hunt...
@jpitner
Well it has not been mentioned what his mental condition was. Seeing how there's been some mention of anti-depressants, it may have been simply some form of depression. That kind of illness in particular generally is not so dangerous that time in asylum is necessary; the likelihood of something like THAT happening was not predictable, seemed unlikely to go and do something like that. Yes he had a mental illness, but that does not mean that the doctors diagnosed him as "dangerously psycotic" and thought something like this would happen if he stopped taking his meds; if they did see him as dangerous without his meds he would have still been in a hospital until he became balanced enough that he wasn't considered dangerous.
Not to mention he can't be put away if no one thinks to report his behavior... in hindsight, his roommate probably wishes he told someone that the guy stopped taking his meds. Afterall, while it was unpredictable that he would have lashed out in this manner, he could have had any number of other negative reactions stemming from his depression; depression has led some people to self-descruction, such as makig them anti-social, or shut ins, and in worse cases leading to suicide (difference here being that he decided to lash out first)
Well it has not been mentioned what his mental condition was. Seeing how there's been some mention of anti-depressants, it may have been simply some form of depression. That kind of illness in particular generally is not so dangerous that time in asylum is necessary; the likelihood of something like THAT happening was not predictable, seemed unlikely to go and do something like that. Yes he had a mental illness, but that does not mean that the doctors diagnosed him as "dangerously psycotic" and thought something like this would happen if he stopped taking his meds; if they did see him as dangerous without his meds he would have still been in a hospital until he became balanced enough that he wasn't considered dangerous.
Not to mention he can't be put away if no one thinks to report his behavior... in hindsight, his roommate probably wishes he told someone that the guy stopped taking his meds. Afterall, while it was unpredictable that he would have lashed out in this manner, he could have had any number of other negative reactions stemming from his depression; depression has led some people to self-descruction, such as makig them anti-social, or shut ins, and in worse cases leading to suicide (difference here being that he decided to lash out first)
There is no happy medium here and nothing is going to change either way(at least for now) but the fact that shit like this influences how people perceive an industry is just sad...
"I repeat: FOX OWNS IGN." - Upgrayedd
AHA! So the ineptitude of Fox News infiltrates even IGN? Perhaps that is why IGN PS3 gave Dynasty Warriors 6 a 5.9.
Also, Crazy Person + Guns + Isolation - Meds = Violence. Clearly the biggest part of that equation, Video Games, are to blame.
AHA! So the ineptitude of Fox News infiltrates even IGN? Perhaps that is why IGN PS3 gave Dynasty Warriors 6 a 5.9.
Also, Crazy Person + Guns + Isolation - Meds = Violence. Clearly the biggest part of that equation, Video Games, are to blame.
I've played Counter-Strike once in my life, for about an hour, I'd guess. So if I decided, for some whacked out reason, to go on a killing spree, I'm guessing they'd still try and find a way to link Counter-Strike to it. But, then again, I do own other "ultra-violent" video games such as Manhunt 1 & 2, various GTAs, various Mortal Kombats, various Dooms, etc. So they'd probably have a field day with that and ignore everything else that happened in my life up to when the incident may have happened.
It's sad that these assholes keep trying to make these connections. I could probably blame it on pants if I used numbers the way these people do.
It's sad that these assholes keep trying to make these connections. I could probably blame it on pants if I used numbers the way these people do.
I really don't know what to do about the media. They get away with these blatant lies and truth bending all the time and no one seems to mind. The industry lets the media beat on them while we collectively express our distaste for them on forums and blogs
I think the industry leaders should pursue legal action against them whenever they can. For instance, the Mass Effect fiasco could've flown in court. Valve should make a claim as soon as they take it too far with Counter Strike.
I'd suggest we get a community protest together but then they'd bend that too. "Thousands of blood-thirsty gamers demand blood at protest...modeled after manhunt."
@Grrza
I really like how you compared the quote to the society they want us to believe we live in. It was really insightful of you
@Jim
We in the US are crazy about guns for some reason. One of our constitutional amendments states that we have a right to them. People feel like there's some kind of war going on where you can be attacked by criminals in the streets and you NEED guns for your self defense. It's an aspect of this country I really dislike and people will always argue using blatant fallacies as a basis. Namely "If you take away all the guns, only the criminals will have them and the public will be defenseless against crime."
It's easier to buy a gun than it is to buy a computer in the good old US of A. If we had tougher gun control these school shootings would happen a lot less.
I think the industry leaders should pursue legal action against them whenever they can. For instance, the Mass Effect fiasco could've flown in court. Valve should make a claim as soon as they take it too far with Counter Strike.
I'd suggest we get a community protest together but then they'd bend that too. "Thousands of blood-thirsty gamers demand blood at protest...modeled after manhunt."
@Grrza
I really like how you compared the quote to the society they want us to believe we live in. It was really insightful of you
@Jim
We in the US are crazy about guns for some reason. One of our constitutional amendments states that we have a right to them. People feel like there's some kind of war going on where you can be attacked by criminals in the streets and you NEED guns for your self defense. It's an aspect of this country I really dislike and people will always argue using blatant fallacies as a basis. Namely "If you take away all the guns, only the criminals will have them and the public will be defenseless against crime."
It's easier to buy a gun than it is to buy a computer in the good old US of A. If we had tougher gun control these school shootings would happen a lot less.
Maybe if I use the medic enough in TF2 i'll become an insane doctor, running around healing people for free.
@ Jim (the commenter): The guy was on medication, but he had no previous warning signs of violent behavior. He was a 27 year old man with no criminal record. It's horrible that something like this happened, but that doesn't negate the thousands of lives saved in the US every year by private gun owners. If they couldn't legally purchase weapons, they wouldn't have a way to defend themselves against criminals who would acquire them illegally. An outright firearm ban because of the actions of an extremely small number of people is just as ludicrous as trying to ban violent video games for school shootings.
First of all, that article from NYT was almost painfully bad to read. I think some of our trolls do more research and make more valid points than that article did.
And also, how in the fuck is someone with a history of mental illness allowed to purchase firearms in the first place?!
The crazy fucker just flew off his rocker after he stopped taking his meds.
Did Jackie Boy happen to notice that part? And what about the part where he lived in a mental institution for a year? This guy had a lot more problems than his relationship with Counter-Strike FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO.
I hate the human race.
And also, how in the fuck is someone with a history of mental illness allowed to purchase firearms in the first place?!
The crazy fucker just flew off his rocker after he stopped taking his meds.
Did Jackie Boy happen to notice that part? And what about the part where he lived in a mental institution for a year? This guy had a lot more problems than his relationship with Counter-Strike FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO.
I hate the human race.
@ Origim:
"Tabloid" is a also a term to describe the standard sizing format of the newspaper pages that the New York Post uses, though it does also fit into the sensationalist bat boy bullshit you'll see in the supermarket. The Post is basically 25 cent toilet paper with a decent sports section.
"Tabloid" is a also a term to describe the standard sizing format of the newspaper pages that the New York Post uses, though it does also fit into the sensationalist bat boy bullshit you'll see in the supermarket. The Post is basically 25 cent toilet paper with a decent sports section.
Also, for those that don't follow traditional journalism:
New York Times: Bit of a liberal slant, but generally good, reliable publication.
New York Post: Conservative, and has a reputation for being sensationalist and is really just a tabloid.
Fun Fact!
Although it is used as a term for a gossipy, unreliable, rag of a paper or magazine, the word tabloid actually refers to the way a newspaper is printed. If a paper opens from the side (like a magazine), it is, by definition, a tabloid.
New York Times: Bit of a liberal slant, but generally good, reliable publication.
New York Post: Conservative, and has a reputation for being sensationalist and is really just a tabloid.
Fun Fact!
Although it is used as a term for a gossipy, unreliable, rag of a paper or magazine, the word tabloid actually refers to the way a newspaper is printed. If a paper opens from the side (like a magazine), it is, by definition, a tabloid.
GamePolitics added this excerpt from the Northwest Herald:
"Kazmierczak often would play the video game Counter Strike, a first-person shooting game, the roommates said, but they were quick to add that the game was nothing unusual for dormitory halls."
There it is.
"Kazmierczak often would play the video game Counter Strike, a first-person shooting game, the roommates said, but they were quick to add that the game was nothing unusual for dormitory halls."
There it is.
Is Counter-Strike still played that much? It's such an old game. They need to get off that Counter-Strike bandwagon.
The NY Post - "ultra-violent video game"
Wow is it realy ULTRA violent? They obviously haven't played a Condemned game.
The NY Post - "ultra-violent video game"
Wow is it realy ULTRA violent? They obviously haven't played a Condemned game.
I think they should look into how they are selling guns to crazy people and not blame the video games.
Crazy guy shaking and mumbling: "I wanna b-b-buy a gun"
Clerk: "S'hore thing, what chu looking fer?"
Crazy: "Kill m-m-many people"
Clerk: "We got that right hurr!"
I live in Canada and we are not allowed to carry weapons and buying one takes a lot of work. From what I have read and heard about, the US is very easy to purchase a weapon.
And to state that weapons could be bought like the ones in counterstrike....WHAT THE FUCK? I didn't know counter strike invented the handgun or shotgun!
Crazy guy shaking and mumbling: "I wanna b-b-buy a gun"
Clerk: "S'hore thing, what chu looking fer?"
Crazy: "Kill m-m-many people"
Clerk: "We got that right hurr!"
I live in Canada and we are not allowed to carry weapons and buying one takes a lot of work. From what I have read and heard about, the US is very easy to purchase a weapon.
And to state that weapons could be bought like the ones in counterstrike....WHAT THE FUCK? I didn't know counter strike invented the handgun or shotgun!
@Jim & Mxyzptlk
Mxyzptlk is a prime example of what I mean by people are crazy over firearms. Studies have shown that you are more likely to accidentally kill a loved one than actually shoot a criminal. Half of the criminals shot in a "Citizen defends self with gun" story aren't even seriously threatening. Take for example a man who killed TWO UNARMED MEN with a SHOTGUN for breaking into his NEIGHBORS house while they were ON VACATION. He "Had no choice but to defend himself" by shooting them as they left the building with the loot? Right.
Guns don't kill people, but they sure as do help expedite the process. I doubt Cho or the IL killer had the connections to purchase firearms illegally.
Mxyzptlk is a prime example of what I mean by people are crazy over firearms. Studies have shown that you are more likely to accidentally kill a loved one than actually shoot a criminal. Half of the criminals shot in a "Citizen defends self with gun" story aren't even seriously threatening. Take for example a man who killed TWO UNARMED MEN with a SHOTGUN for breaking into his NEIGHBORS house while they were ON VACATION. He "Had no choice but to defend himself" by shooting them as they left the building with the loot? Right.
Guns don't kill people, but they sure as do help expedite the process. I doubt Cho or the IL killer had the connections to purchase firearms illegally.
Orionsaint: Our campus still plays it. If we're looking for a game with a small filesize that can be passed around via flash drive and played on non-gaming PC's, you can't beat old games.
That said, the New York Post is textbook yellow journalism and should simply be dismissed. Jack Thompson's appearing on Fox News, a channel that is sadly taken seriously by some, that should be gone after.
That said, the New York Post is textbook yellow journalism and should simply be dismissed. Jack Thompson's appearing on Fox News, a channel that is sadly taken seriously by some, that should be gone after.
He must have sucked at Counter-Strike, everybody knows the glock is terrible. And pump shotty? No wonder he only got 3 kills.
College Kamikaze used imaginary weapons to free himself from the constant threat of being attacked by terrorists - NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE TO ME!
@ Luigi takes over: I hate to disappoint, but I don't own a firearm nor do I ever plan on owning one. I don't like the idea of firearms, but they exist. There's no changing that. I'm crazy about personal freedom instead of living in a nanny state. I'd be interested in seeing your statistics that show that half of criminals shot by private gun owners aren't "seriously threatening". Any person breaking into your home or business is a potential serious threat. The example you stated is an extreme one, and sadly those are the types of stories that get focused on by the media and anti-gun advocates. I condemn that person's actions. I would defend anyone who shot an intruder on his own property who could cause harm to them or their family.
In the US, states that have concealed carry laws have lower crime rates. Why? Because criminals are less likely to fuck with people when they might be able to defend themselves. When DC passed restrictions on gun ownership, crime rates there went up dramatically. The same thing happened in Britain. Responsible gun ownership is a deterrent to crime, whether you'd like to believe it or not. Torrent the Penn & Teller Bullshit! episode on Gun Control if you have an open mind, they do a great job covering the issue.
In the US, states that have concealed carry laws have lower crime rates. Why? Because criminals are less likely to fuck with people when they might be able to defend themselves. When DC passed restrictions on gun ownership, crime rates there went up dramatically. The same thing happened in Britain. Responsible gun ownership is a deterrent to crime, whether you'd like to believe it or not. Torrent the Penn & Teller Bullshit! episode on Gun Control if you have an open mind, they do a great job covering the issue.
I think we need to look at the real reason this happened: Valentine's Day. Clearly this 'holiday' causes violence and should be banned. If you have a girlfriend, you hate it because you have to waste money on cards/chocolate/stuffed animals/jewelry, and if you don't you get depressed and try to kill everyone in sight.
Having to endure frequent jewelry store and hallmark card ads for two weeks almost drove me to mass murder, too.
Having to endure frequent jewelry store and hallmark card ads for two weeks almost drove me to mass murder, too.
I'm right behind Mxy on this one. Those are the real statistics, and the ones the news organizations choose to ignore because they don't bring in ratings. Instead, they just scare people into purchasing more firearms for defense.
Guns didn't directly make this tragic event possible. He could have just as easily walked in and started stabbing people, or thrown a pipe bomb into the room. Instructions are online, and all the tools you need are available at Home Depot. This young man wouldn't have simply sat quietly just because he didn't have a gun.
In closing, I hate these shootings. What purpose do they serve? How much does it help you troubled soul to shoot people you've never met and then kill yourself? Unbalanced or not, it's cowardly and in the end, the shooter gains absolutely nothing except a six-foot hole.
Guns didn't directly make this tragic event possible. He could have just as easily walked in and started stabbing people, or thrown a pipe bomb into the room. Instructions are online, and all the tools you need are available at Home Depot. This young man wouldn't have simply sat quietly just because he didn't have a gun.
In closing, I hate these shootings. What purpose do they serve? How much does it help you troubled soul to shoot people you've never met and then kill yourself? Unbalanced or not, it's cowardly and in the end, the shooter gains absolutely nothing except a six-foot hole.
@Mxyzptlk
http://www.toronto.ca/quality_of_life/safety.htm
Look at that list. See how the crime rates in Canadian are significantly less than the US? Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that people can't buy guns instantly up here? I mean, hardly anyone has a firearm for their own protection and yet our crime rates are far lower than many cities in the US. I mean you guys can buy guns at Walmart for chrissakes.
http://www.toronto.ca/quality_of_life/safety.htm
Look at that list. See how the crime rates in Canadian are significantly less than the US? Do you think that has anything to do with the fact that people can't buy guns instantly up here? I mean, hardly anyone has a firearm for their own protection and yet our crime rates are far lower than many cities in the US. I mean you guys can buy guns at Walmart for chrissakes.
hmmm... why is it, the big companies that can lose money from these stories... like microsoft, nintendo, sony, ea, etc. bring out some people to defend the games industry. What really pisses me off is how they are so gung ho to stop people from pirating, which loses them money, yet, when someone goes and blows up a school, and its blamed on video games, which also costs them money, they run and hide like a little bitch and let blog makers and internet website people defend them. Which, i hate to say it, means absolutely jack shit to the main stream public.
If we want this shit to stop, the companies that make the games... the whole fucking industry, must stand up and say something. NOT run like a bitch.
If we want this shit to stop, the companies that make the games... the whole fucking industry, must stand up and say something. NOT run like a bitch.
This is Jack Thompson. I wonder if you e-tards could pay attention to some facts. Besides owning FNC and the NY Post, Murdoch also owns a number of video game industry properties, including pro-game Internet news sites.
The fact is, just as I predicted, the NIU killer was into Counter-Strike, just as were the authors of the two worst school shooting massacres in history--at Va. Tech and Erfurt.
I know facts are inconvient things for e-tards, but there they are, and here I am, right, oh so right, yet again.
We need to get you sociopathics kiddies off these murder simulators and back to doing your homework.
Jack Thompson, and quite glad to be
The fact is, just as I predicted, the NIU killer was into Counter-Strike, just as were the authors of the two worst school shooting massacres in history--at Va. Tech and Erfurt.
I know facts are inconvient things for e-tards, but there they are, and here I am, right, oh so right, yet again.
We need to get you sociopathics kiddies off these murder simulators and back to doing your homework.
Jack Thompson, and quite glad to be
Im sorry Destructoid, but the day you post anything about news thats featured in the NY Post is the day I stop reading. That paper is a tabloid paper and full of garbage, everyone knows that.
Get a clue.
Get a clue.
Oh, and one more thing, which is quite humorous: The people who write "articles" here are making fun of people who work at real newspapers as non-journalists? What's next, veterinarians making fun of neurosurgeons?
Jack Thompson, Attorney, and You're Not
Jack Thompson, Attorney, and You're Not
Jack Thompson, Phoenix Wright is a better attorney than you. And aren't you going to get disbarred soon or something? By the way, the V-Tech shooter did not play counter strike, he played Sonic the Hedgehog a long time ago. Methinks it is you who should do your homework.
Monkeyspoon5, not about to be disbarred by the state of Florida.
Monkeyspoon5, not about to be disbarred by the state of Florida.
No shit, can't Jim or Destructoid find anything better to write about? You're ragging on a rag that just this week, devoted two front page articles to humiliating a 60+ year old man who nearly died at a sex club. Although in retrospect, that is pretty interesting...must...fight...urge...to subscribe...
@ monkeyspoon5: I don't see anywhere in that report where it says lack of guns is solely responsible for Canada's lower crime rate. Could other factors such as poverty, drug use, unemployment, lack of social services and other issues that are a larger problem in the US possibly be contributing? Or am I wrong and it's just guns and guns alone that are the cause of all society's ills?
@jackthompson
Oh, and one more thing, the killer had stopped taking his meds right before the shooting. Don't you think that had something to do with it? Not a game he played four years ago which, I feel the need to remind you, is a game not a massacre simulator. The fact that you think that a video game is proper training for the firearms featured in the game shows your ignorance in both subjects. But what the hell am I doing arguing with a fake Jack Thompson anyway?
Oh, and one more thing, the killer had stopped taking his meds right before the shooting. Don't you think that had something to do with it? Not a game he played four years ago which, I feel the need to remind you, is a game not a massacre simulator. The fact that you think that a video game is proper training for the firearms featured in the game shows your ignorance in both subjects. But what the hell am I doing arguing with a fake Jack Thompson anyway?
@Mxyzptlk
True enough, it's probably a combination of all of those factors not just guns. I shouldn't have just focused on that. Which leads me to what always confuses me about the United States, that they don't seem to focus on those problems enough, and instead focus on spending even more on their military. But I guess that has nothing to do with this discussion.
@Sam Spectre
Agreed.
True enough, it's probably a combination of all of those factors not just guns. I shouldn't have just focused on that. Which leads me to what always confuses me about the United States, that they don't seem to focus on those problems enough, and instead focus on spending even more on their military. But I guess that has nothing to do with this discussion.
@Sam Spectre
Agreed.
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