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"..the service has been up and down more than my pants when Bobby Kotick traded his lukewarm sin hole for my positive review score."
Also, Hams.
Also, Hams.
I'm just going to have to deal with the fact that people like CoD and will throw $120 at it every year.
I guess it's a good thing I didn't get Elite right off the bat then.
Granted, the only reason I give a crap about Elite is discounted map packs. After playing the MP a bit, I'm surprised at how well they managed to balance it out, thus this might be the first CoD MP I actively play more than a few months.
Granted, the only reason I give a crap about Elite is discounted map packs. After playing the MP a bit, I'm surprised at how well they managed to balance it out, thus this might be the first CoD MP I actively play more than a few months.
cods multiplaye has gotten stale to me. I might rent mw3 for the single player though just to see where they go with the cliffhanger from mw3
Does no one realize that signing up for Elite is free? I'm sure their servers wouldn't be in full meltdown if the entire platform were behind a paywall. Elite Premium is the only part that requires a subscription.
@SithZombie:
Because it's console related...
@SithZombie:
Because it's console related...
I'm glad so many people like COD. The battlefield servers have really lightened up due to it. I was actually able to get into several games with my squad. That's a beautiful thing.
Also EOD bot boosters beware. I will hunt and kill you with my bot. I mean it. Take that boosting crap to deathmatch or a non hardcore game.
Also EOD bot boosters beware. I will hunt and kill you with my bot. I mean it. Take that boosting crap to deathmatch or a non hardcore game.
Please stop referring to the damn game as COD. It makes me really hungry and I can't afford decent fish right now.
@amtalx
They really should have called the PAID elite sub something different than the FREE one. People out there STILL think Elite is "pay-to-play."
They really should have called the PAID elite sub something different than the FREE one. People out there STILL think Elite is "pay-to-play."
i got it (well... i bought the 'hardened edition that came with it) because it acts as a season pass for the game's DLC. that it also offer's other somewhat cool stuff on top of that is just gravy, and it's still cheaper than buying each DLC pack separately. color me a sucker but it was worth it to me!
@Cryotek
I think the time has come for you to finally chill out. The golden age of PC gaming is gone. Please note that I do not mean "dead" - I just mean PC gaming isn't what it used to be.
Yes, I was, and still am a PC gamer. I remember Windows 3 - I remember as a child learning DOS commands. I played the original run of shooters such as Catacombs, Doom, and Quake. I remember back when map packs; hell, literally of 100+ maps were FREE for public use, and often times provided by the developer.
I remember when developers would literally give you free updates for their shooters that would 1:1 equate to the yearly full $60 games publishers give today. I remember all that. But that age is gone, and it officially passed after COD: World at War (the last shooter to give PC users free map packs).
Map packs are now $15. Content now costs money. Deal with it. Gamers are provided with the choice of either paying $50 a year for COD Elite to get a discount, among many other community features, videos, and mobile app support, or buying these map packs piecemeal for a total of $60.
We get it - the golden age of PC gaming and FPS gaming was good for consumers, and developers had more fun actually making their games back then. Unfortunately for us, publishers have decided to dip their hands further in the pot with online passes, Origin-like proprietary storefronts, and paid DLC - it's just the way it is.
People are not "idiots" for wanting to adapt to the modern age, and it's getting old to see you call people out in every single post involving PC gaming. I like Call of Duty - I work hard for my money - if I want map packs for it, I'm allowed to pay for them.
I think the time has come for you to finally chill out. The golden age of PC gaming is gone. Please note that I do not mean "dead" - I just mean PC gaming isn't what it used to be.
Yes, I was, and still am a PC gamer. I remember Windows 3 - I remember as a child learning DOS commands. I played the original run of shooters such as Catacombs, Doom, and Quake. I remember back when map packs; hell, literally of 100+ maps were FREE for public use, and often times provided by the developer.
I remember when developers would literally give you free updates for their shooters that would 1:1 equate to the yearly full $60 games publishers give today. I remember all that. But that age is gone, and it officially passed after COD: World at War (the last shooter to give PC users free map packs).
Map packs are now $15. Content now costs money. Deal with it. Gamers are provided with the choice of either paying $50 a year for COD Elite to get a discount, among many other community features, videos, and mobile app support, or buying these map packs piecemeal for a total of $60.
We get it - the golden age of PC gaming and FPS gaming was good for consumers, and developers had more fun actually making their games back then. Unfortunately for us, publishers have decided to dip their hands further in the pot with online passes, Origin-like proprietary storefronts, and paid DLC - it's just the way it is.
People are not "idiots" for wanting to adapt to the modern age, and it's getting old to see you call people out in every single post involving PC gaming. I like Call of Duty - I work hard for my money - if I want map packs for it, I'm allowed to pay for them.
"the service has been up and down more than my pants when Bobby Kotick traded his lukewarm sin hole for my positive review score."
This is why I read Destructoid. Never change, Jim.
This is why I read Destructoid. Never change, Jim.
This better not mess with my founders status. Didn't pay $100 to get screwed put of the benifets of hardend edtion.
you forgot to mention that they are extending the time limit for founder status until the end of the month, for those who cares.
I am, however, allowed to think that people are idiots to think for a moment that a few maps are worth 15 bucks to begin with.
Now it is to the point where people don't even know what's in the package before paying for it.
Now it is to the point where people don't even know what's in the package before paying for it.
If you go to Cryoteks comment page and CTRL F for "PC" it comes up 63 times.
Pretty slow afternoon here.
Pretty slow afternoon here.
Just do me a favor, the people like Magnalon and SithZombie... Stop blaming the publishers for this. This is YOUR fault. This isnt something that was "going to happen" or different because of the "Golden age of PC gaming".
DLC and the like, $15 map packs, DLC unlock codes for content already on the disc, etc. isn't because the publishers put it there. It's there because people like YOU bought it, and gobble up anything a publisher throws at you like a fat baby.
Defend your purchase all you want, play the FUCK out of your game, I don't care, but just realize that without the dumbshits like YOU who decided that shit that used to be unlocked through playing the game, or things that should be free for fans who actually supported the publisher, or things that just used to come with the package to fill up the package, have been replaced because YOU let the publishers take advantage of the situation. Not because the publishers shoved it in your face, but because they shoved it in your face, and you sucked it up and asked for seconds.
DLC and the like, $15 map packs, DLC unlock codes for content already on the disc, etc. isn't because the publishers put it there. It's there because people like YOU bought it, and gobble up anything a publisher throws at you like a fat baby.
Defend your purchase all you want, play the FUCK out of your game, I don't care, but just realize that without the dumbshits like YOU who decided that shit that used to be unlocked through playing the game, or things that should be free for fans who actually supported the publisher, or things that just used to come with the package to fill up the package, have been replaced because YOU let the publishers take advantage of the situation. Not because the publishers shoved it in your face, but because they shoved it in your face, and you sucked it up and asked for seconds.
Oh, and one more thing... "adapting to the modern age" doesn't mean "letting a company take full advantage of a consumer for profit."
@free touch I disagree with you. If people didn't pay for it now there won't be content. Publishers won't bow out and make content for free. Games simply cost far too much for that.
I agree with Magnalon, that era is gone.
People are quick to forget that game making is a business and all big companies work for profit.
I agree with Magnalon, that era is gone.
People are quick to forget that game making is a business and all big companies work for profit.
@free touch your an idiot. All I ever see you do is insult ppl and talk shit. Publishers have been pulling bullshit for years. And to be honest when it comes to CoD, other than the $15 map packs, Activision has pulled the least amount of bull. CoD hasn't jumped on the online pass bandwagon yet. there is no dlc on disc. Also, ppl keep crying about how dlc was free 10 years ago. these games are way more advanced. They usually need separate teams to make the dlc. I'm not saying MW3 maps need to be $15, but to expect them to charge nothing, yet release 3 or 4 map packs is gullible at this point.
@Cryotek
You're assuming I don't buy those games because I buy map packs.
That's a bad assumption.
I have two copies of Dungeon Defenders - one for me and one for my wife. I also bought Trine, Super Meat Boy (twice), Magicka, and every Humble Indie bundle since the project started.
I also bought every Black Ops map pack for both my wife and I's 360s.
They're not mutually exclusive. The golden age is dead, because Magicka's developers wouldn't have charged for their DLC back in the day, but they do (even if it's a small amount). Even small developers are trying to swing a buck where they can.
Even if you can't admit that our current age is different, you can at least admit it used to be better.
@free touch
I work for my money. I can spend it buying indie games at a steal like Binding of Isaac for $5 and still buy COD map packs. BOI is one of my favorite games of 2011. Games like that still exist amongst the giants like COD, like Cryotek said above.
You're assuming I don't buy those games because I buy map packs.
That's a bad assumption.
I have two copies of Dungeon Defenders - one for me and one for my wife. I also bought Trine, Super Meat Boy (twice), Magicka, and every Humble Indie bundle since the project started.
I also bought every Black Ops map pack for both my wife and I's 360s.
They're not mutually exclusive. The golden age is dead, because Magicka's developers wouldn't have charged for their DLC back in the day, but they do (even if it's a small amount). Even small developers are trying to swing a buck where they can.
Even if you can't admit that our current age is different, you can at least admit it used to be better.
@free touch
I work for my money. I can spend it buying indie games at a steal like Binding of Isaac for $5 and still buy COD map packs. BOI is one of my favorite games of 2011. Games like that still exist amongst the giants like COD, like Cryotek said above.
@FPS Baby Jesus
Let me break this down.
"@free touch your an idiot. All I ever see you do is insult ppl and talk shit."
Like you just did to me.
"Publishers have been pulling bullshit for years."
I never said they didnt.
"And to be honest when it comes to CoD, other than the $15 map packs, Activision has pulled the least amount of bull."
And I was generalizing the entire DLC idea, not just what activision is doing right now. It just so happens that this is the thread is the one i ended up at.
"CoD hasn't jumped on the online pass bandwagon yet. there is no dlc on disc."
Again, generalizing. If there was a stand alone "dlc is etc. etc." thread, I... no, I wouldnt have posted it there.
"Also, ppl keep crying about how dlc was free 10 years ago. these games are way more advanced."
LOL
10 years ago, games like this also didnt have a 50-60Million dollar budget. Which, from what I have read, has gone to... what exactly? The same textures, maps and models as the previous game?
"They usually need separate teams to make the dlc. I'm not saying MW3 maps need to be $15, but to expect them to charge nothing, yet release 3 or 4 map packs is gullible at this point."
You yell at me for talking shit on people, AND YOU USE THE WORD GULLIBLE WRONG. Gullible, would be thinking they need a "special team" to work on maps, gullible, would be thinking that they need more than a $50Million budget to make 16 new maps. You even agreed with my point. You said $15 for 4 maps is to much. I've seen the maps used for these games. They aren't amazing masterful pieces of art. They are arena's with different cut and paste designs. No, gullible isn't thinking paying for maps its stupid, GULLIBLE is paying $15 for 4 maps when other games do it for $5-$10 cheaper.
Anyway you look at it... This is just Pavlov's Dog. It's just to bad.
I'm also offended by a someone who thinks all I do is "insult ppl and talk shit", I sometimes yell at Jim for being a dick also.
Let me break this down.
"@free touch your an idiot. All I ever see you do is insult ppl and talk shit."
Like you just did to me.
"Publishers have been pulling bullshit for years."
I never said they didnt.
"And to be honest when it comes to CoD, other than the $15 map packs, Activision has pulled the least amount of bull."
And I was generalizing the entire DLC idea, not just what activision is doing right now. It just so happens that this is the thread is the one i ended up at.
"CoD hasn't jumped on the online pass bandwagon yet. there is no dlc on disc."
Again, generalizing. If there was a stand alone "dlc is etc. etc." thread, I... no, I wouldnt have posted it there.
"Also, ppl keep crying about how dlc was free 10 years ago. these games are way more advanced."
LOL
10 years ago, games like this also didnt have a 50-60Million dollar budget. Which, from what I have read, has gone to... what exactly? The same textures, maps and models as the previous game?
"They usually need separate teams to make the dlc. I'm not saying MW3 maps need to be $15, but to expect them to charge nothing, yet release 3 or 4 map packs is gullible at this point."
You yell at me for talking shit on people, AND YOU USE THE WORD GULLIBLE WRONG. Gullible, would be thinking they need a "special team" to work on maps, gullible, would be thinking that they need more than a $50Million budget to make 16 new maps. You even agreed with my point. You said $15 for 4 maps is to much. I've seen the maps used for these games. They aren't amazing masterful pieces of art. They are arena's with different cut and paste designs. No, gullible isn't thinking paying for maps its stupid, GULLIBLE is paying $15 for 4 maps when other games do it for $5-$10 cheaper.
Anyway you look at it... This is just Pavlov's Dog. It's just to bad.
I'm also offended by a someone who thinks all I do is "insult ppl and talk shit", I sometimes yell at Jim for being a dick also.
@magnolan
All bitching aside (which its all games so whatevs), you mentioned binding.... You get the Humblebundle or the Indieroyale difficult pack today?
Sweet games for hella cheap.
All bitching aside (which its all games so whatevs), you mentioned binding.... You get the Humblebundle or the Indieroyale difficult pack today?
Sweet games for hella cheap.
Got the bundle when it came out a few days ago :p. So I have 2 Binding's now.
Had all the royale pack.
Had all the royale pack.
Although this isn't my cup of tea, I have learned to respect that other people enjoy these games. As long as we're all playing games, everything is good. Is that better guys?
@Sonic7877:
I personally think that is much better. Thanks for being rational. You'll get no more venom from me.
*internet handshake*
I personally think that is much better. Thanks for being rational. You'll get no more venom from me.
*internet handshake*
@free touch all I hear is the same whining and complaining every CoD hater has been spewing for months. every time an article about Elite comes out or CoD in general I hear the same thing. Just don't buy it. Its that simple. They aren't running a charity. They aren't gonna give away free stuff. Their a business. This is how the world works. Get over it.
@freetouch Also everything you said is your opinion as far as the art in the mp maps. Just because you think someone didn't work hard or something looks alike doesn't mean they didn't work hard. If anything, IW works harder than most considering that development team got dismantled. I'll keep enjoying playing my games while ppl like you continue to cry about stuff that doesn't even affect you.
@FPS Baby Jesus >implying >implying >implying >implying
Your post was completely forgettable except for the fact MW does affect players.
See how Ubisoft is taking BG&E hostage? MW's popularity will eclipse Rayman and Ubi has an excuse to hold BG%E2 for longer.
See how every FPS out there now has perks and whatnot? MW influence.
The fact people are voting with their wallets means that publishers will find this a new business tactic and repeat it Ad Nauseam.
I didn't come here to rip on Elite but you people will regret the choices you made the day games start costing $120. Acording to Kotick you don't mind spending $500 in a single game so it's all good, right?
And come on, have you never made a map for a game? The longest phase is the layout - if you take inspiration from already existing works it takes one day to make the map and 2-3 days to test for bugs and exploits. No need to overrate $15 map-packs.
Your post was completely forgettable except for the fact MW does affect players.
See how Ubisoft is taking BG&E hostage? MW's popularity will eclipse Rayman and Ubi has an excuse to hold BG%E2 for longer.
See how every FPS out there now has perks and whatnot? MW influence.
The fact people are voting with their wallets means that publishers will find this a new business tactic and repeat it Ad Nauseam.
I didn't come here to rip on Elite but you people will regret the choices you made the day games start costing $120. Acording to Kotick you don't mind spending $500 in a single game so it's all good, right?
And come on, have you never made a map for a game? The longest phase is the layout - if you take inspiration from already existing works it takes one day to make the map and 2-3 days to test for bugs and exploits. No need to overrate $15 map-packs.
"That not even Activision expected Elite to be this popular is insane."
Yes, they prolly didn't have any statistics about presumably how many people will buy their game right? Elite is free to use, so 1 player means 1 account on Elite BASIC MATHS RIGHT??
"Still, at least it's not an exterior service that the actual game depends on, so that's some comfort."
Sticking to the offense right? There are minor issues with Battlelog still, but it works. Majbe 1-2 connection issues / day, but you know what patience is right? It only wastes ~0,5-1 minute of our life so nothing to talk about.
Also: when will we get a PC review about MW3? Just asking because you know, it's not even nearly the same as the 360 version...
Oh wait we won't since it'll lower the overall scores, too bad.
Yes, they prolly didn't have any statistics about presumably how many people will buy their game right? Elite is free to use, so 1 player means 1 account on Elite BASIC MATHS RIGHT??
"Still, at least it's not an exterior service that the actual game depends on, so that's some comfort."
Sticking to the offense right? There are minor issues with Battlelog still, but it works. Majbe 1-2 connection issues / day, but you know what patience is right? It only wastes ~0,5-1 minute of our life so nothing to talk about.
Also: when will we get a PC review about MW3? Just asking because you know, it's not even nearly the same as the 360 version...
Oh wait we won't since it'll lower the overall scores, too bad.
We can bitch all we want, but the fact is services like this are doing well because people want them. Call them idiots, or sheep, or whatever you'd like, but people are voting with their wallets. Don't expect anything to change until something happens otherwise. I personally don't care if people want to spend money on Elite; If that's their interest, so be it. I wouldn't do it, but to each their own.
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