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I really want this game, but not for that price or without a full release. Minecraft had an alpha model because it didn't have a publisher, but this has absolutely no excuse.
Do they plan on eventually releasing on more platforms? I'd love to play this and would gladly shell out the dough, but without a Mac version, I'm kinda stuck.
Eh? Thought it was finished, and releasing on Steam today?
Sorry, I will buy the game when it is finished and reviewed. I just don't feel like playing this game.
Sorry, I will buy the game when it is finished and reviewed. I just don't feel like playing this game.
i bought the soundtrack to this game before the game has even been released. danny baranowsky is a god.
@Magna
Its like for really small time investors, but numerous more of them.
Payoff being you get to experience the ride and have real input into the product.
Sorta like glorified playtesters.
Its like for really small time investors, but numerous more of them.
Payoff being you get to experience the ride and have real input into the product.
Sorta like glorified playtesters.
With tekbunny's logic, you are now essentially a game-tester. Except instead of them paying you to test the game, you get to pay THEM to test the game! GENIUS!
I don't like this business model. You'd think that the more people pay the bigger and better the game gets. But that is NOT true. The money is put into different projects and even if I know some are cool with that, I am not. The way Notch has handled money with Minecraft was horrible. Most of the people were paying for Scrolls and in some way even for Cobalt and not for Minecraft.
You know, the business model could work! When users or potential buyers decide which game they want to support. Minecraft? Seems like people want that, better make more content. Scrolls? Seems like people don't want that. Better if we don't put all the money that's left in it.
But that's not even remotely the case and I find that quite shady to be honest.
You know, the business model could work! When users or potential buyers decide which game they want to support. Minecraft? Seems like people want that, better make more content. Scrolls? Seems like people don't want that. Better if we don't put all the money that's left in it.
But that's not even remotely the case and I find that quite shady to be honest.
@enzl
Wait, you find it shady that they use their current games to fund the next ones? What world do you live on? How else are they suppose to continue as a company?
Tl;dr Haters gonna hate.
Wait, you find it shady that they use their current games to fund the next ones? What world do you live on? How else are they suppose to continue as a company?
Tl;dr Haters gonna hate.
@tekbunny The payoff for investors is a share of the profits. This is philanthropy, and to be honest, $13 will buy a poor child a decent Christmas present.
From what I saw it'll cost ~15 euro in beta and probably 5 more on release, as did Minecraft. I don't see a problem here tbh - you can preorder for 50% off, and start playing right away, instead of waiting for release in 6+ months.
@sarahdot
that is very honest of you, thanks. $13 also gets me cobalt. good thing its so cheap that way i can afford to also help those in need. nice use of the first-world problems guilt card there though. ;-D
and hey, nothings wrong with a little philanthropy here and there. plus it's not like i'm just giving my money away without seeing anything in return; i'll end up getting the product itself, so i feel it's a win-win.
that is very honest of you, thanks. $13 also gets me cobalt. good thing its so cheap that way i can afford to also help those in need. nice use of the first-world problems guilt card there though. ;-D
and hey, nothings wrong with a little philanthropy here and there. plus it's not like i'm just giving my money away without seeing anything in return; i'll end up getting the product itself, so i feel it's a win-win.
Yes, one way of looking at it is that they are asking for money to test their game. But I think the more appropriate way of looking at it is that you are paying for a pre-order, with the added bonus of getting it at a discount and being able to play it way earlier than everyone else.
Nothing wrong with what they are doing here. Sure, your money might be better spent elsewhere, but that can be said of pretty much anything.
Does this game look interesting to you? Well then you can get it for $7 off AND play it ahead of time. Seems like a pretty good deal.
Nothing wrong with what they are doing here. Sure, your money might be better spent elsewhere, but that can be said of pretty much anything.
Does this game look interesting to you? Well then you can get it for $7 off AND play it ahead of time. Seems like a pretty good deal.
This business model is brilliant. Early adopters don't get screwed, and it assures that the game either lives or dies early in the dev process depending on support. Well I guess early adopters get screwed if the project gets canned, but it's better than buying a 3DS for $249 or a PS3 for $599 only for it to drop in price significantly months later, or buying something like Duke Nukem Forever for $59 only for it to be $10 brand new a few months later.
It's not perfect, but it's a lot more fair than the current trickle down price model used today.
It's not perfect, but it's a lot more fair than the current trickle down price model used today.
@tekbunny: Let me put it different. Terraria has done it right. Having an expansion or addon with tons of content. That's a game where I see that the money was put back into the game and not spent on something else.
And fuck off with haters gonna hate. I respect Mojang a lot and have played Minecraft to death. I haven't even said that these games are not worth it. I just feel that the money to content ratio is off. 1 programmer with 4,349,515 bought Minecraft versions. Are you fucking kidding me?
And fuck off with haters gonna hate. I respect Mojang a lot and have played Minecraft to death. I haven't even said that these games are not worth it. I just feel that the money to content ratio is off. 1 programmer with 4,349,515 bought Minecraft versions. Are you fucking kidding me?
fuck off i shall. i just feel like both business models are right, whereas you feel only one is right.
opinions, amirite?
opinions, amirite?
i would contend that minecraft has also technically had many addons/expansions since its inception, and that while the original idea was already good on its own, things like infdev, biomes, mobs, and the adventure update add even more to an already good idea. which i and others helped fund. if cobalt proves to be the same, then i again feel like i have made a worthy use of 13 dollars.
also, who's to say that the money you spent on terreria isnt also being put into their next game? or is that how one should run a business? just keep the profits from one venture and not use those profits for any another? seems risky at best to me.
also, who's to say that the money you spent on terreria isnt also being put into their next game? or is that how one should run a business? just keep the profits from one venture and not use those profits for any another? seems risky at best to me.
Ok, another approach. And sorry, for the fuck off but I'm allergic to things like haters gonna hate because I'm not a blind hater.
What Notch did with Minecraft was something like looking for investor. The game was in very early development but we as a gamer saw the potential the game has. A lot of us invested, so much that Mojang is a respectable company now. I don't say that business model is bad per se! I also spent around 50$ for AVGN just because I like what he is doing and I want to see his movie. Again, we, the target audience are put into a investor role. Not because we have millions of dollars, but we are a lot of people and even a small amount of money can make a company grow very fast. If every game developer would let me decide how it works I'd honestly choose this system. But when things like these are done, I want that the people that made this possible have the same respect as real investors. So, I'd like that the money is put back into it. When the AVGN suddenly take his 200k and put it into a restaurant and make a sub-par b-movie that he could have done with 50k alone I'd nerdrage like crazy. You see were I'm getting at? If the money is there why does it take nearly a decade to put out mod support? Oh, it's only 1 programmer. Then why the fuck don't he has 5? Money can't be the problem, am I right? I don't like slackers and I don't like people who just do the absolute minimum amount. I feel cheated when something like this happens.
Not that Minecraft is bad, hell it's great, but it's minimum investment. Mojang said that they want to be the biggest indie publisher now! Oo Cool, they blinded us with false advertising and now they want to publish. I think that's noble of them but that wasn't really planed, was it?
What Notch did with Minecraft was something like looking for investor. The game was in very early development but we as a gamer saw the potential the game has. A lot of us invested, so much that Mojang is a respectable company now. I don't say that business model is bad per se! I also spent around 50$ for AVGN just because I like what he is doing and I want to see his movie. Again, we, the target audience are put into a investor role. Not because we have millions of dollars, but we are a lot of people and even a small amount of money can make a company grow very fast. If every game developer would let me decide how it works I'd honestly choose this system. But when things like these are done, I want that the people that made this possible have the same respect as real investors. So, I'd like that the money is put back into it. When the AVGN suddenly take his 200k and put it into a restaurant and make a sub-par b-movie that he could have done with 50k alone I'd nerdrage like crazy. You see were I'm getting at? If the money is there why does it take nearly a decade to put out mod support? Oh, it's only 1 programmer. Then why the fuck don't he has 5? Money can't be the problem, am I right? I don't like slackers and I don't like people who just do the absolute minimum amount. I feel cheated when something like this happens.
Not that Minecraft is bad, hell it's great, but it's minimum investment. Mojang said that they want to be the biggest indie publisher now! Oo Cool, they blinded us with false advertising and now they want to publish. I think that's noble of them but that wasn't really planed, was it?
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