jesus christ...

"he's not going to stop us from making games or enjoying them"

I hardly think roger ebert is trying to stop anyone from making or enjoying games. He doesn't think they are art. So what. Move on.

I wonder how many achievement points Barker has...

Why do games have to be art? Who exactly wants them to be art?

Call me a godless philistine, but I've only invested time and money in games that I hoped would be good entertainment, not good art.

You can't be so black and white about the "gaming as art" issue. What makes something art is the creators' intent for it to be so.

Whether it is good art or bad art; that's just a matter of opinion.

I'd say games are an artform in their own right. They are created to move an audience, with all the rollercoaster thrills and eureka moments. Only gamers who indulge in games will ever know their true depth as good or bad art (another sub-topic perhaps), because some mainstream art critics fail to recognise the mediums validity, and many have a set perception of what games are (perhaps Pong, Pac Man etc and nothing more), when that is forever changing.

Art is suppose to provoke thought and/or reaction from our senses. I've been moved by Bioshock lately, so that's art to me. It makes me think about mans place in the world, everytime I listen to Ryan's recordings, beside my doing my jedi like shit and frying enemies with Electro Bolt. This reaction can be positive or negative, so long as their is some, but it works for me (and others too perhaps.

Too look good, to sound well, to importantly play well. The fact that games are an interactive medium, they have the ability to touch the player/s emotions, more than film for countless hours (not in every sense but the industry is always learning). And those together, they deserve just as much attention as films or books in what they do artisticly, to the player but also through their very creation to reach the player and shop shelves.

If the same can be said about a ferrari, (something that goes through similar phases of creation, with an end product that must aim to please) then games classify as works of art. The highbrows of the world just don't want to admit it, that's all.

Fuck that Ebert, he's an old school film nut (granted, he knows his shit) ,obviously he feels the heat from games popularity, and sees fit to blank them. Shows what a biggot he is, if he can't do some research to back up his claims.

Granted I'm not a big fan of Clive Barker's brand of horror. I do like to see someone stand up for their creativity. No matter how crappy it really is.

You go Clive B.

Dutch miniatures suck as art.

P.S. All of the Dutch

Ebert should know about art. He was the co-writer of both <i>Beyond the Valley of the Dolls AND Beneath the Valley of the Ultra-Vixens.</i> Both very fine examples of High Art indeed.

Someone should silence that Ebert dude once and for al...

*whispering*

What?

*whispering*

Oh. Nevermind.

That is all.

Thank God He came along or else the opinions of some stranger were going to stop me from enjoying my life.