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The man is substantially correct here, in the sense that all the negative or dismissive things that people are saying about WiiU right now are not going to stop it from making a crapton of cash.
Right now I don't see myself buying one, but Nintendo has a lot of practice in coming up with fun ways to use multiple screens. I'm curious to see what they'll do here.
Right now I don't see myself buying one, but Nintendo has a lot of practice in coming up with fun ways to use multiple screens. I'm curious to see what they'll do here.
@mattrodroid, You just used a sweeping generalization. Way to violate your so called "critical thinking". You propose that the only reason people dislike Nintendo and/or their games is because they want to be cool and follow the crowd. That's extremely narrow minded.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, not everyone likes the same things.
Maybe, JUST MAYBE, not everyone likes the same things.
pokota
"As for me, I likely won't buy a Wii U, at least based on what I've seen so far."
So, based on conceptial, non-game technical demos, you have decided you aren't likely to buy one?
More power to you, I guess.
Me? I'm going to wait 'till some actual games, running on the actual system are shown, and a price tag is actually announced before I commit to anything.
You know, inform myself first.
To me, anouncing any purchasing plans at this point is nothing but hot air.
"As for me, I likely won't buy a Wii U, at least based on what I've seen so far."
So, based on conceptial, non-game technical demos, you have decided you aren't likely to buy one?
More power to you, I guess.
Me? I'm going to wait 'till some actual games, running on the actual system are shown, and a price tag is actually announced before I commit to anything.
You know, inform myself first.
To me, anouncing any purchasing plans at this point is nothing but hot air.
Well I haven't tried the wii u controller so maybe an E3 goer can answer this. Can you imagine playing ninja gaiden 3 with the Wii U tablet? Can anybody else imagine playing Ninja Gaiden 3 with a classic controller that has a wiimote attached to its end?
He's right pretty much. As much as I detest and loathe nintendo's direction in gaming, a couple of rehashes of old Nintendo IPs and I'm a sucker.
Love/Hate you Nintendo.
Love/Hate you Nintendo.
Whenever a developer says something about something other than their game, you get a +50 comments news post. Brillliant
@SirNinjaFace
You're going to keep your Wii U in the toilet? It's better than a three month old men's mag I suppose.
You're going to keep your Wii U in the toilet? It's better than a three month old men's mag I suppose.
[I]"Gorescream: For once I agree with the person who personally helped kill the PC.
I'm buying one."[/i]
THIS. I'm just a bit mad at Nintendo for Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower, as well as casting core gamers aside. But the thing is pretty sweet.
I'm buying one."[/i]
THIS. I'm just a bit mad at Nintendo for Xenoblade, The Last Story, and Pandora's Tower, as well as casting core gamers aside. But the thing is pretty sweet.
@kwikpwn regardless about your "opinion" on sony having "me too" consoles, the ps3 has the best hardware and currently the best software lineup. Your hate seems pretty delusional to me.
@Jay Me: Oh i'm gonna be playing with my Wii U on the toilet! Streaming Aliens, and if that's not possible, i'll just look at the tracker thing while i'm pooping!
I'm pretty certain I'll be buying one, but then I love the Wii. And It's gonna have Mario and that, innit. Not buying a WiiU was never an option.
I won't buy one.
As far as CliffyB goes, his GDC talk was nothing more than how to be a rockstar, even if that means stirring up bad drama to do it. Do whatever it takes to get in the news and milk your image, according to him.
How about keeping the mouth shut and making good games? Wouldn't that be better for the consumer? Drama gets me nothing. Good games get me something I'm glad I spent money on. I understand how image can relate to media attention, but really....focus on making the great game first.
As far as CliffyB goes, his GDC talk was nothing more than how to be a rockstar, even if that means stirring up bad drama to do it. Do whatever it takes to get in the news and milk your image, according to him.
How about keeping the mouth shut and making good games? Wouldn't that be better for the consumer? Drama gets me nothing. Good games get me something I'm glad I spent money on. I understand how image can relate to media attention, but really....focus on making the great game first.
I'll most definitely get one, but not for a while I still have a ton of Wii & PS3 games to play at the moment.
@El Conrado
Sorry if my being a careful consumer offends you, or if I make a preliminary evaluation based on the information that Nintendo themselves have given us. It does, however, seem as though the highly provisional nature of my statement missed your cranial area by at least several inches. It's sort of like a bicycle without a kickstand and only one reflector, but with one of those nice baskets on front.
Sorry if my being a careful consumer offends you, or if I make a preliminary evaluation based on the information that Nintendo themselves have given us. It does, however, seem as though the highly provisional nature of my statement missed your cranial area by at least several inches. It's sort of like a bicycle without a kickstand and only one reflector, but with one of those nice baskets on front.
I'm not buying it. I was hesitant on the Wii, but bought it for the fact that it was supposed to be backwards compatible with everything.
Most people will buy it, yes. I? No. I already made the mistake with the original Wii.
I'll give them that the Wii had a great first year - maybe a few months after that year was good too. But after that, it was nothing. I'm not falling for it again, especially now that Nintendo of America has this attitude problem that involves telling their hardcore customers to fuck off.
I'll give them that the Wii had a great first year - maybe a few months after that year was good too. But after that, it was nothing. I'm not falling for it again, especially now that Nintendo of America has this attitude problem that involves telling their hardcore customers to fuck off.
I'm still enjoying my Wii plenty and hoping to get these unlocalized games on top of what I already have to finish or wait for. So I'm in NO HURRY to pic up the Wii U. I'm actually sad that the Wii U is already on it's way and Nintendo seems to have abandoned it's Wii. I'm still playing mine gosh darn it! And plenty.
Still have to finish a slew of games including Red Steel 2, Sin & Punishment 2, Little King's Story, more Monster Hunter, more DKR, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and so on.
I'm just tied enough as it is for the Wii and with what I want for the Wii that I'm just in no darn hurry for a new console. I think I'll be enjoying Wii for awhile before I even get a Wii U.
Still have to finish a slew of games including Red Steel 2, Sin & Punishment 2, Little King's Story, more Monster Hunter, more DKR, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime Trilogy, and so on.
I'm just tied enough as it is for the Wii and with what I want for the Wii that I'm just in no darn hurry for a new console. I think I'll be enjoying Wii for awhile before I even get a Wii U.
Some people will buy it. But like Jim said, it's either going to be the Wii or the Gamecube and the more I hear about it I keep thinking 'Gamecube.'
I mean, I just wrote my opinion on the Wii U potentially not using a universal online account. That right there makes me not want it. I don't care if I can play a game while I'm on the toliet!
And like others have mentioned. There's a good chance that the PS4 and 720 blow it out of the water any way. Devs are whining about hardware levels right now. They're not going to go with the Wii U if Sony and MS up the ante again which leaves it in the dust...like the Wii and it won't be priced competitively enough to bring those non-gamers that bought the Wii. Heck, I don't think most Wii owners care as they're content with what the Wii gave them because they don't game that much most likely.
I mean, I just wrote my opinion on the Wii U potentially not using a universal online account. That right there makes me not want it. I don't care if I can play a game while I'm on the toliet!
And like others have mentioned. There's a good chance that the PS4 and 720 blow it out of the water any way. Devs are whining about hardware levels right now. They're not going to go with the Wii U if Sony and MS up the ante again which leaves it in the dust...like the Wii and it won't be priced competitively enough to bring those non-gamers that bought the Wii. Heck, I don't think most Wii owners care as they're content with what the Wii gave them because they don't game that much most likely.
@pokota
"Sorry if my being a careful consumer offends you"
You're not being careful; quiet the opposite, you're merely impulsive and fickle.
This doesn't offend me, it just amuses me that someone would try to portent such a knee-jerk reaction as anything other than the posturing it actually is.
Any decision on the Wii U at this point, whether to purchase or ignore it, is pretty much fruitless. It's set on clay at best, given how little we actually now of the damn thing.
But if you feel better calling it "cautious", be my guest.
"Sorry if my being a careful consumer offends you"
You're not being careful; quiet the opposite, you're merely impulsive and fickle.
This doesn't offend me, it just amuses me that someone would try to portent such a knee-jerk reaction as anything other than the posturing it actually is.
Any decision on the Wii U at this point, whether to purchase or ignore it, is pretty much fruitless. It's set on clay at best, given how little we actually now of the damn thing.
But if you feel better calling it "cautious", be my guest.
i would like one. but wont be able to get one. its going to be 400+ and thats steep for a console thats just getting in the hd market. ill just stick to ps3 for now. but i would like one for the hd 1st party titles.
I'm not going to buy one. I think that some of the things they're doing are cool, others stupid, but really, I just don't care. I don't care about Nintendo; I have never played any of their games and have no desire to (excluding Metroid and Advance Wars, the twin lands of shit-just-got-real). I think Nintendo is overrated as a company in general; you can call me a fanboy (and it's probably true), but that's my right.
Actually, I do hope the Wii U succeeds, but that would also lead to more copycat work from MS and Sony... I guess what I really hope is that it succeeds but MS/sony don't rush to copy it. Again. I don't want a controller shaped like that to be playing Halo on.
Actually, I do hope the Wii U succeeds, but that would also lead to more copycat work from MS and Sony... I guess what I really hope is that it succeeds but MS/sony don't rush to copy it. Again. I don't want a controller shaped like that to be playing Halo on.
I'll buy the Wii U just like I'll buy the PSvita. It makes no sense to strike down the prospect of buying something just because either you don't like it or you see no future for it.
Those who bought the PS3 hoping for a bevy of RPGs were dumbstruck when they found out the genre migrated to DS, PSP, and 360.
At least a good third of some of the most enjoyable games are from psn, xbox live arcade, and yes even a couple from the wii channel. Also lets not forget about steam.
Sequels to some of our favorite games that have failed financially have been given a second chance on portables, Okami and valkyria chronicles I'm looking at you!
A majority of the best games from square-enix this gen have had neither the word Final nor fantasy in it.
And despite what people say the ios, android, and PC markets have been doing fine if not great for themselves right now.
People say they feel burned by the wii and they should try to give more incentives to third parties. They have done that with Capcom, EA, Sega and Activision. What these companies and others do with the opportunity to develop for the wii is up to them and not Nintendo. Yet I have seen sites where people have literally vilify Microsoft for doing the exact same thing with their system just because the people don't like it or don't own it.
As long as there are good games on a system I will buy it. Maybe not today, tomorrow, at launch date or even when their willing to do a holiday discount but eventually when I get the money I'll buy it.
And you should do the same! /end rant/
Those who bought the PS3 hoping for a bevy of RPGs were dumbstruck when they found out the genre migrated to DS, PSP, and 360.
At least a good third of some of the most enjoyable games are from psn, xbox live arcade, and yes even a couple from the wii channel. Also lets not forget about steam.
Sequels to some of our favorite games that have failed financially have been given a second chance on portables, Okami and valkyria chronicles I'm looking at you!
A majority of the best games from square-enix this gen have had neither the word Final nor fantasy in it.
And despite what people say the ios, android, and PC markets have been doing fine if not great for themselves right now.
People say they feel burned by the wii and they should try to give more incentives to third parties. They have done that with Capcom, EA, Sega and Activision. What these companies and others do with the opportunity to develop for the wii is up to them and not Nintendo. Yet I have seen sites where people have literally vilify Microsoft for doing the exact same thing with their system just because the people don't like it or don't own it.
As long as there are good games on a system I will buy it. Maybe not today, tomorrow, at launch date or even when their willing to do a holiday discount but eventually when I get the money I'll buy it.
And you should do the same! /end rant/
@El Conrado
Your ability to understand analogies is like a puzzle book that's already been filled out.
Your ability to understand analogies is like a puzzle book that's already been filled out.
It'll be a massive decline from the Wii, either to Game Cube levels or worse. Most of the people that bought the Wii are miffed because Nintendo didn't make a lot of games for it, and didn't bring over a lot of games that they did make. Not to mention that Nintendo themselves won't make the kind of games that made the Wii so successful to start with (like Wii Sports and NSMB Wii).
Those games were mass market, but Nintendo doesn't want to make games for the mass market, or really for anybody at this point, as evidenced by their reaction to Project Rainfall. Unfortunately, they just want to do whatever they want. And no business gets to stay in business or remain successful by doing that.
Gaming is about content, not technology. All the customer sees is content, and what kind of compelling and exciting content has Nintendo put out lately? Almost none. Their rush to the Wii U is to make concessions to 3rd parties so they can get away with making fewer games and not having to make the kind of games they hate to make. Of course this will just turn out like the Game Cube, with third parties pledging support and then ignoring Nintendo. And of course we got third parties fleeing from the 3DS given how poorly it's performed.
Really there's just a fucking phalanx of reasons why the Wii U is going to bomb that any logical person who has studied the history of gaming (and Nintendo) can see clearly.
Those games were mass market, but Nintendo doesn't want to make games for the mass market, or really for anybody at this point, as evidenced by their reaction to Project Rainfall. Unfortunately, they just want to do whatever they want. And no business gets to stay in business or remain successful by doing that.
Gaming is about content, not technology. All the customer sees is content, and what kind of compelling and exciting content has Nintendo put out lately? Almost none. Their rush to the Wii U is to make concessions to 3rd parties so they can get away with making fewer games and not having to make the kind of games they hate to make. Of course this will just turn out like the Game Cube, with third parties pledging support and then ignoring Nintendo. And of course we got third parties fleeing from the 3DS given how poorly it's performed.
Really there's just a fucking phalanx of reasons why the Wii U is going to bomb that any logical person who has studied the history of gaming (and Nintendo) can see clearly.
@pokota
For your analogy about analogies to work, your first analogy has to relate to the second analogy by way of a third analogy.
So the only logical step is for me to make an analogy of your analogy about my analogy.
Feel free to follow it with an analogy, but I guarantee it won't work.
For your analogy about analogies to work, your first analogy has to relate to the second analogy by way of a third analogy.
So the only logical step is for me to make an analogy of your analogy about my analogy.
Feel free to follow it with an analogy, but I guarantee it won't work.
Not to be contrary, but if I buy a Wii U it will be because of games OTHER than mario and zelda. I've only bought one actual "true to form" Mario game for the Wii. NSMBWii. And I played it for a day. I've no interest in Galaxy or Galaxy 2, and Skyward Sword may be my last Zelda, despite the fact that I LOVE Zelda.
If, one year after system launch, I see decent third party original IPs released on the Wii U, I'll consider it. If I see third party IPs IMPORTED from Japan, I'll seriously consider it.
If the next Zelda looks like the best thing ever, and the other two stars are aligned, I'll bite the bullet and buy it all fucking used from Gamestop or eBay.
I just don't see a point in supporting a company that shits on its fanbase and still expects to get paid at the end of the day.
If, one year after system launch, I see decent third party original IPs released on the Wii U, I'll consider it. If I see third party IPs IMPORTED from Japan, I'll seriously consider it.
If the next Zelda looks like the best thing ever, and the other two stars are aligned, I'll bite the bullet and buy it all fucking used from Gamestop or eBay.
I just don't see a point in supporting a company that shits on its fanbase and still expects to get paid at the end of the day.
@El Conrado
Dude, you're creepy. Get away. This thread is about the Wii U, not about some kind of stalker-ish grudge you have against me. The comments section is full of people saying "NO!" and "YES!" and you get upset because I say "not likely based on what we know now"? Get over it already, you creepy creep.
Dude, you're creepy. Get away. This thread is about the Wii U, not about some kind of stalker-ish grudge you have against me. The comments section is full of people saying "NO!" and "YES!" and you get upset because I say "not likely based on what we know now"? Get over it already, you creepy creep.
@Vanor
What are you talking about?
"Nintendo doesn't want to make games for the mass market"
Actually thats wrong because Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, Wario ware, and Wii Sports have been made. All of them with mass market appeal.
"Gaming is about content, not technology. All the customer sees is content, and what kind of compelling and exciting content has Nintendo put out lately?"
More than PS3 move and Xbox360's Kinect thats for sure. Also without compelling tech why should developers even bother with these first part systems anyway?
"Really there's just a fucking phalanx of reasons why the Wii U is going to bomb that any logical person who has studied the history of gaming (and Nintendo) can see clearly."
So with that logic why can't be the same said for sony and microsoft?
-psn getting hacked
-sony taking away ps3 features
-360 red ring of death
-sony slowly losing exclusives
-360 heading towards the casual market
Vanor just because you hate nintendo does not mean they will fail.
What are you talking about?
"Nintendo doesn't want to make games for the mass market"
Actually thats wrong because Mario, Metroid, Zelda, Pokemon, Kirby, Wario ware, and Wii Sports have been made. All of them with mass market appeal.
"Gaming is about content, not technology. All the customer sees is content, and what kind of compelling and exciting content has Nintendo put out lately?"
More than PS3 move and Xbox360's Kinect thats for sure. Also without compelling tech why should developers even bother with these first part systems anyway?
"Really there's just a fucking phalanx of reasons why the Wii U is going to bomb that any logical person who has studied the history of gaming (and Nintendo) can see clearly."
So with that logic why can't be the same said for sony and microsoft?
-psn getting hacked
-sony taking away ps3 features
-360 red ring of death
-sony slowly losing exclusives
-360 heading towards the casual market
Vanor just because you hate nintendo does not mean they will fail.
@pokota
...ok...?
Maybe I missread, but I thought you were joking with that bicicle thing, so I joked along, and was sure you were, too.
Now I see you were just being a jackass.
Sorry for the confusion.
...ok...?
Maybe I missread, but I thought you were joking with that bicicle thing, so I joked along, and was sure you were, too.
Now I see you were just being a jackass.
Sorry for the confusion.
I'll get one. I love Nintendo's franchises and hey, there will one day be a new Smash Bros. One that will more than likely have improved online play.
Not a Cliffy B fan since he sorta irritates me a lot but I respect this comment, even if it is a little blasphemous because I don't think every Nintendo hater will get a Wii U but what do I know?
I plan to get one myself no matter what...unless if the launch titles are strong that Iwata promised.
I plan to get one myself no matter what...unless if the launch titles are strong that Iwata promised.
Let's try to be realistic here:
No one, absolutelly no one, has decided if they'll buy the system yet.
Yes, we'll get the early adopters saying it's a "day one" purchase, and yes, we have the knee-jerk reactionary "it will suck/won't buy" comments that we always get.
But think about it for a minute: there are many factors that you can't account on yet.
Even AFTER it launches, and spends a while on the market, the very same people saying they will NOT buy it will constatnly reasess that decision. Every time a game get's anounced that pickes their interest, every time a price cut or bundle is announced, they will rethink if it's a good buy or not.
Some will keep reaching the same conclusion over and over again, but many will change their opinions.
I'll pull a number out of a hat and say that 99% of the people saying they have already made their minds in not buying the system will reconsider it in the next 5 years for sure, unless it bombs like only the Virtual Boy could.
No one, absolutelly no one, has decided if they'll buy the system yet.
Yes, we'll get the early adopters saying it's a "day one" purchase, and yes, we have the knee-jerk reactionary "it will suck/won't buy" comments that we always get.
But think about it for a minute: there are many factors that you can't account on yet.
Even AFTER it launches, and spends a while on the market, the very same people saying they will NOT buy it will constatnly reasess that decision. Every time a game get's anounced that pickes their interest, every time a price cut or bundle is announced, they will rethink if it's a good buy or not.
Some will keep reaching the same conclusion over and over again, but many will change their opinions.
I'll pull a number out of a hat and say that 99% of the people saying they have already made their minds in not buying the system will reconsider it in the next 5 years for sure, unless it bombs like only the Virtual Boy could.
@El Conrado
If you really were playing around, then I'm sorry for biting your head off. If you weren't, then I'm not.
What you're saying right now is pretty much what I said in my first post, though. With what I know now, I'm not interested, but I very well know that could change with new information. If Nintendo does do something unexpected, then I'll reevaluate, it's as simple as that. However, I feel like I know enough about Nintendo to make an educated guess about what most of their exclusive games will be.
Also, it's "piques". Not trying to be a dick, just thought you'd want to know.
If you really were playing around, then I'm sorry for biting your head off. If you weren't, then I'm not.
What you're saying right now is pretty much what I said in my first post, though. With what I know now, I'm not interested, but I very well know that could change with new information. If Nintendo does do something unexpected, then I'll reevaluate, it's as simple as that. However, I feel like I know enough about Nintendo to make an educated guess about what most of their exclusive games will be.
Also, it's "piques". Not trying to be a dick, just thought you'd want to know.
"..you can still play it in the toilet."
well and it seems even Cliffy is confused by the functions of the console. The range isn't going to be that far, given the info we've all been given as of yet. So unless Cliffy has a TV his bathroom at stately B manor (which he probably does) or has a toilet in every room (which again, he may just) I don't see him being impressed when he gets it and it won't transmit through the walls.
Beyond that, I get what he's saying about "whats old is sometimes new" but his examples are biting themselves in the ass when each one of these items he's mentioned either didn't do well at all or did well but then went dead for little to no reason. Its not THAT reassuring to be comparing these things together -specially when I've been saying Nintendo's main concern should be customer confidence.
well and it seems even Cliffy is confused by the functions of the console. The range isn't going to be that far, given the info we've all been given as of yet. So unless Cliffy has a TV his bathroom at stately B manor (which he probably does) or has a toilet in every room (which again, he may just) I don't see him being impressed when he gets it and it won't transmit through the walls.
Beyond that, I get what he's saying about "whats old is sometimes new" but his examples are biting themselves in the ass when each one of these items he's mentioned either didn't do well at all or did well but then went dead for little to no reason. Its not THAT reassuring to be comparing these things together -specially when I've been saying Nintendo's main concern should be customer confidence.
@pokota
Cool.
Hurray for (mis)comunication!
I didn't mean to sound incisive with my first comment ether. I meant to sound facetious, but I guess that didn't come across well.
... you grammar nazi...
Cool.
Hurray for (mis)comunication!
I didn't mean to sound incisive with my first comment ether. I meant to sound facetious, but I guess that didn't come across well.
... you grammar nazi...
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