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Cliffy B 'upset' by hateful 8/10 Gears of War 3 reviews photo

With any other videogame, scoring an 8/10 would be considered glowing praise. According to Epic Games' Cliff Bleszinski, however, that couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, according to him, anybody who dares give Gears of War 3 a score of eight clearly hates it.

"Doing great, apart from a couple of haters," Cliffy told VG247, while talking about review scores. When asked to elaborate on the haters in question, he pointed to Eurogamer's 8/10 review.

"You know, I didn’t quite gather it. I don’t want to come across as defensive," he defensively said. "How do I phrase this properly? When people rated Gear 2 higher than Gears 3, it kind of upset me because I know Gears 3 is a better game on every level."

An 8/10 review for any game should be considered a compliment, and for a developer to complain about that is to take somebody's compliment and toss it back in their face. I find that unbelievably vulgar, and have to say that I am a little disappointed that a man who is currently swimming in perfect review scores is getting upset because he didn't get just a handful more. The sheer spoiled greed of that attitude is staggering.

I just recently wrote an article about how certain games are assumed to have a divine right to certain scores, and I'm pretty sad that Bleszinski is actively encouraging such an insipid attitude. I wish I could understand how someone gets so overwhelmingly entitled.








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Fear No Darkness's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 08:44
Fear No Darkness
Because it's Cliffy B we're talking about?
Bobby Honaker's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 08:49
Bobby Honaker
I disagree. It's one thing to be spoiled, it's an entirely different thing to have worked your ass off and think that the final product is better than an 8/10. You, Jim, are the insipid one. Your "journalism" reeks of trollism and constant attempts of gaining attention. I wish to god Destructoid would get rid of you. You're the single worst game review on the mainstream web, in my opinion. Shut up.
sofik88's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 08:52
sofik88
i can understand that - the only negative thing i heard of is uneven campaign, but when you see mediocre crap like Killzone 3 getting 9s and 10s for atrocious and short campaign and shallow multiplayer. then we've got Gears of War 3 with long and good campaign, loads of content. seriously 10-12hour long campaign of Gears of War is longer than both terrible campaigns from both KZ games combined - both of them felt like they've been made by kid with ADHD.
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 08:58
tuoman
When VG247 pressed Mr. Bleszinski to explain why he was getting so defensive, he put his fingers in his ears and stated "NA NA CANT HEAR YOU. TITTIES. TITTIES. TITTIES"
brokeotaku's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 08:59
brokeotaku
Gears 3 might be better than Gears 2 in every way, but if Gears 2 were reviewed today, it wouldn't get more than an 8/10.
Janklogs's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:04
Janklogs
I hadn't really planned on getting GoW, since I never really was interested in it. Now, I wish to never buy any of their games. Fuck Epic.
Xi Fayt iX's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:05
Xi Fayt iX
Not a fan boy. I kind of see Cliff saying this joking around. Like Damnit we did so much more and we thought its better than GoW2 so fuck what you want kind of thing. Cliff usually isn't a douche so I'm giving him benefit of the doubt he's serious but joking at the sametime
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:07
tekbunny
@Bobby
@soffik

Wow, shutup.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:07
Chris Carter
Microsoft will always have Cliffy B and Molyneux running their dumb mouths; Sony has Jaffe.

It about equals out :p
Erdrick's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:08
Erdrick
Doesn't come as a surprise. Dude Huge was already a self-righteous prick in my eyes anyway.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:10
Jim Sterling
"Your "journalism" reeks of trollism and constant attempts of gaining attention. I wish to god Destructoid would get rid of you. You're the single worst game review on the mainstream web, in my opinion. Shut up."

Posting comments on my article is the best way to ensure Dtoid will get rid of me, that I won't get attention, and that I'll shut up.

Keep at it! You'll get your rainbow, my son!
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:10
Klarden
@Magnalon
'cept, Jaffe is usually saying something good, but in a very asshole way
Cliffy B and Molyneux rarely have something good to say. They have something good to design, that's for sure. But i sometimes wish they were mute -_-
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:11
Neroisonfire
I don't think cliff was serious but it's good for Jim to humble him a little as well.

Also by the looks of a few fanboys you would think they'd only be happy if everyone thought it was the second coming or something.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:11
Jim Sterling
It amazes me that there are people *okay* with the concept of tossing a compliment back in somebody's face.
Itchythesecond's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:12
Itchythesecond
maybe gow3 ist just a little bit better in every level... so thats not enough to get the same score... how can cliffyb bitch about an metacritic of 91/100... Duke Nukem Forever is better in every way but it sucks 15 Years after the 3D-Title... stop whining
tenz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:12
tenz
Opinions! Have at you!!
Captain Scrambles's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:12
Captain Scrambles
I actually tend to gravitate towards 7 or 8 out of ten games. 9 & 10's tend to carry the stain of personal bias a little TOO much.
DasPooch's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:12
DasPooch
@Bobby Honaker - Wow, your comment history (short as it is) is fucking hilarious. You create an account just to occasionally jump in and call Jim a troll and fat? LAWLZ, get a life.

As for cliffyb, yeah he's a spoiled brat. Not surprised by the attitude, although I AM surprised he is this whiny and vocal about it this time. What a douche.
Captain Scrambles's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:14
Captain Scrambles
Also, anyone who takes the time to bitch about getting an 80% out 100, meaning there is literal four times as much content to enjoy as there isn't?

Fuck your fucking smug face. Right in the EYE.
Tristrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:14
Tristrix
Follow the sources on this one, guys. I really don't think he's complaining about Eurogamer's review score. I think he might be talking about this specific quote from the Eurogamer review:

"In triple-A action, Cliff Bleszinksi and his team could not unreasonably argue that they were always one step ahead of their rivals in terms of raw spectacle with the first two Gears titles. But, of course, someone would always come along to match and then surpass that step.

Bleszinksi, ever-cocksure and combative, clearly thrives on the pressure and the limelight that comes with the territory he has forcibly occupied. But where next?"

Frankly, if I was Cliffy, I'd find some of that pretty insulting on a personal level. Cocksure and combative? Thrives on the limelight? Forcibly occupied? Even I kinda wanna punch whoever wrote that in the face.

Point being, I don't know if that's what he was talking about or not, but it seems plausible and it's very understandable. There's room for benefit of the doubt here.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:15
hpv
Gears of War sucks. Someone tell Cliffy that I gave Gears of War 3 a solid: 0/11.
TheRedComet's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:15
TheRedComet
Oh come on, in the grand scheme of things, does it even MATTER what score this game gets?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:16
Chris Carter
Jim, you now have a new enemy according to Bobby - GOD!

Lexi Leigh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:16
Lexi Leigh
@Bobby Honaker

Throwing around terms like, "insipid" doesn't make you sound intelligent or impressive to anybody here.

The point is, it doesn't matter how much of his life Cliff put into Gears 3. That doesn't suddenly make people not entitled to their opinion. Jim's review (this coming from an avid Gears of War fan) was concise, well written, and fair. He gave it a GREAT score that anybody would be proud of.

You sir, are a perfect example of the divine entitlement so many games and gamers expect for their games.

Trolling? You think this is a troll attempt? Grow a pair because you obviously aren't a man if you can't take criticism for games your a FAN of. I don't agree with a lot of what Jim says, but I'd rather have intelligent debate with somebody who's opinions differ from mine, than personally attack their journalistic credibility.

In my opinion. Shut up.
Icyfrodo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:16
Icyfrodo
This is stupid, I wonder if someone will give Gears a REALLY low score, and what would happen then, 8 is an excellent score, just because a lot of people think the game is a 10/10 it doesn't mean it actually is
hermes's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:16
hermes
It is kind of disappointing. The whole "5 years ago, game X scored better than game Y, which was just released" statement is just dumb... the kind of argument I would expect from angsty teenagers with a lot of internet self entitlement; not from a grown up man who knows full well about how the industry works.

Then again, its Cliffy B we are talking about.
IdlePye's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:17
IdlePye
You may think its a compliment but for most reviewers who only use half of the scale an 8 average.
DasPooch's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:17
DasPooch
@Jim - Forgot to mention: "Hate out of ten" = awesome. That made me LOL.
T3KK9's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:18
T3KK9
Well I didn't think this was news but thanks again to Jim for trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
salamagogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:18
salamagogo
I'm sure he will be ok once he wipes his tears and blows his nose with 1oo dollar bills.
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:20
killias2
Amazing. It makes sense to complain when one of the best of the genre (Tactics Ogre PSP) gets a 5 out of 10... but this is just absolute nonsense.
DasPooch's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:21
DasPooch
@IdlePye - That's the fault of other reviewers who are in bed with publishers for ad dollars. It's a very bad habit they've gotten into, giving average games a 7-8 and everything that has a AAA budget 9 or 10. If publishers don't like it when someone adheres to the REAL 1-10 scale, that's too damn bad.
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:21
tekbunny
@magnalon

You win the article.
Beyamor's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:21
Beyamor
Yeah, the actual article was much more interesting than this. It gave a lot of insight into where the man wants to take games, including more social integration. "Haters" may ruffle some feathers, but in context, that felt more like an off-the-cuff expression of his disappointment in the end of the trilogy not being received as its brightest moment than sincere bile. It was more of the boisterous frontman that Cliffy, not bitter resent.

At least as I took it.

But lolvideogames.
 iTzPea's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:21
iTzPea
I can see where he is coming from. Their team put more work into this game, and have added so many more features than the leap from the first game to the sequel. This is the better game, and it is getting lower review scores. Obviously though the reviews are just the opinions of those writing them, so you have to take them with a grain of salt.

I do find it odd though that Destructoid scored the game at an 8, and then also scored Dead Island with a 7. The strange part is the review of Dead Island had so many more complaints and negatives when looking at the Gears of War 3 review that the scores should have been separated by more than 1 point.
terranwolf's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:22
terranwolf
Ratings are supposed to be unbiased and that includes ignoring any personal or production background informationor history. You can aim for a ten, but you should never expect it.
Dave Tobin's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:22
Dave Tobin
I like that Jim's own opinions colour and inform his reviews. It's a subjective take on something and the written part of his reviews are always excellent, and even if I don't always agree with his final score on a game I can always see why he scored it that way. At this stage I think I know his tastes and personality better than other reviewers simply because his review style is so personal.

I loved FFXIII and Jim hated it, he loved Killzone 3 and I thought it was nothing more than a decent but forgettable shooter. I didn't feel the need to act like a complete moron like some others who post here. People need to grow up and not make fools of themselves.

As for CliffyB: Once you release the game you have to accept that people will have divergent opinions on it. It's childish to think you can protect it after it's out there. My immediate reaction to comments like this from devs is to wonder will they screw over outlets who don't give them the review scores they demand in the future?
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:22
Darren Nakamura
See, Jim? You hated the game, just like the commenters said. Now it's just confirmed by Dr. Clifford Bleszinski.
sadmachine's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:22
sadmachine
As a dude who's only got a PS3, the Gears review is entirely irrelevant to me. That said, this post seems a bit self-indulgent. I don't think your reviews necessarily invite controversy, but posts like this (where you seem to want to fuel a feud) certainly do. I like what you do, Jim, and I think you're better than this.
tenz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:23
tenz
Guys its okay, we are in the age of entitlement remember?
nanowerx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:23
nanowerx
I'd be upset too. Gears 2 was a solid 9/10 and Gears 3 seems to be everything but better, so yeah, if that is true then I would be upset that my previous game scored better too.

Stop trying to rile up people, Jim. You could go report unbiasedly on videogames, but I know, that wouldn't be your style.
Svart's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:24
Svart
I actually understand Cliff B. It's a feeling I have shared not too long ago concerning an album. He's frustrated because he probably poured his soul into it and got a "mere" 80% (which by all means is not bad). I think it's more personnal. Artists I tell you...
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:26
Sexualchocolate
What a fag.

It's just because he expected every to add the "Gears bonus score" to it, just because it's a gears game.

Hey hey hey Cliffy, Gears is pretty fucking meh.
Rhuno's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:26
Rhuno
While I think its a bit lame for him to comment publicly on it, I can understand him being a little disappointed. As some have mentioned it is something he and the team at Epic have poured a ton of work into. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to playing the game! I just need to finish R3 and Deus Ex first!
Max-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:26
Max-
Killzone 3, God of War 3, Uncharted 2 and inFAMOUS 2 got higher scores so that must mean SONY WINS THE CONSOLE WARS FOREVER!

and @jimmyx
TXYeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:26
TXYeti
"I wish I could understand how someone gets so overwhelmingly entitled."

Hello, kettle.
solomon318's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:27
solomon318
Only One way to settle this....QUAKE 3 TOURNEY....IF Jim wins CLiffy has to appear on a special episode of Jimquistion to under go couciling about why he always feels so butthurt....If Cliffy wins Jim changes his review to 20/10 and begs for another Gears title.
Tekmagik's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:27
Tekmagik
Cliffy B. What a fucking douchebag. You fuck over the people who made you, PC gamers. Now you whine like the bitch that you are. Someone should do the world a favor and put a bullet or two in your head and your bitch so you don't ever spawn anymore cockbage like you in the world.
TripleShot's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:27
TripleShot
He cares about his game and pushes for it to be great. He's a creator and is very personally attached to his creation. There's no surprise here. But it's interesting to know that he feels this way. Thanks for the article.
mushmage's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/16/2011 10:28
mushmage
Jim, it really means a lot as reader that there is someone out there who writes for a major site and is willing to use the scale appropriately even though this attitude is to pervasive in the industry today. I've often said to myself that there is almost no way that forty or fifty review outlets all honestly think a certain game is perfect (I mean, it happens a few times a year with movies, but it happens unbelievably often with games), and comments like Cliffy B's lead me to believe that a lot of reviewers don't really believe that these games warrant perfect scores, but are afraid to say otherwise. This turns me off from game "journalism" and, unfortunately, these big-budget games themselves, even if they are actually great games. Anyway, it's just good to know there is still somewhere to go for honest opinions.
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