Gears of War 2 did have a beta... It was called Gears of War 1.

o snapz.

Let's keep it clean men.

Cherry popping references aside I think there's numbers that support what he's saying though. Games that have demos or betas instead of just trailers seem to take a hit in sales. I think if the demo/beta is anything short of amazing it may work against the game.

With that analogy, I'd say he knows best.

COD:WaW? Yeah I played it. Stripped off the buy list now. People are total whores for betas, especially in gamer communities. A beta might be a good way to promote your game if it's a lot better than people were expecting in terms of hype and marketing though.

Knowing that there are guys that will get the reference says nothing about having to hang out with douchebags or being one yourself btw :)

I wouldn't have bought the abomination that is Pain, if I had a demo or a beta, so yeah, I guess he is right. But pain is so bad, that I'd hide the fact that I f*cked Pain, I mean, played Pain. Don't buy Pain, or it's add-ons.

I am Emrah, and I approve this message.

God dammit! Quick! Someone hide that quote before the rest of the world sees it! Hopefully they'll understand that he's just a representation of the douchebags and not gamers.

Well now Cliffy B is higher on my hit list than Uwe Boll...

Also, I remember playing WoW when the first beta came out. I still bought the game after that. But that was because I was addicted. O_O;

The more I hear about Cliffy B the more he sounds like a douchebag.

@ Neiro:
I can see your concern for demos and betas potentially hurting the overall sales of a game, but I think most people who are satisfied with playing just the demo are just looking for some casual fun. For me, it helps me test the game and see if I like it. I'm glad Mirror's Edge has a demo available because I probably wouldn't buy it unless I have the chance to try it out for myself.

I don't support rental stores and I would rather not plunk down ten bucks to try a game out for three days if it has a demo available online. The benefit with demos and betas is that I basically get for free what Blockbuster and Videotron offer for eight to ten bucks.

I wish more games had demos/betas available actually, because I have a few shit games that I wish I never payed the money for. Doing this helps me sift through the shit that developers are releasing these days.

Also, XBLA offers demos for their arcade games. I bet less people would have bought Braid or Castle Crashers if the demos weren't released, seeing how they were the most expensive XBLA games of the summer.

I wasn't even considering getting Resistance 2 until I tried the beta, which I just signed up for the hell of it. So in some causes betas/demos work. And in other cases...*remembers all his DC demo discs*...eh not so much.

But I did end up buying a ton of Dreamcast games but that wasn't till after Sega dropped out of the console business and all the games became cheap.

I'm kind of offended by Cliff's remark. His attiude reflects gamers to a certain degree, and honestly we don't need this person representing us.

A lot of us gamers get laughed at, even ridiculed by women for being gamers. I've dated women that would leave my house if I was going to play a video game with a friend. And it's not because we wouldn't let her play.. (my current lover loves it when I ask her to play video games with me.. she hearts LBP) it's because she "Hated Games".

Now we have this piggish guy making statements about how he would "screw a woman just so he could say he did" WTF, like that's going to get any gamers some points for being polite, considerate and preferable company. I was never a gears fan.. and after that statement.. guess who's telling his friends to "not buy". Another note about this statement comes to mind... "Hey, Cliff.. Were you getting mega laid when you weren't a game designer?"

Oh and should I mention that GoW 2 has a TOY gun made for it? O_o That will get you some points with the opposite sex!!

Something tells me the amount of females that at one time liked gears of war will probably never buy a game that has his name attached to it. Especially after that comment.

Hmm I'm conflicted, on the one hand I like his attitude, not the actual comment but not comprimising and speaking his mind, but at the same time he sounds like a douche.

that analogy works for me
maybe cuz im a douche?
anyhow i dont think anyone in the mainstream media is gonna pick up his comment on betas, GoW2 will sell fine...
TOY GUN!

Yeah, because obviously gamers aren't into random drunken one-night stands.

Its a weird analogy to use, but its more representative of our society in general than gamers.

I think you are all being a little too critical on his comments. When did everyone become so uptight around here? He wasn't trying to get very philosophical with what he said and made a reference instead to a fuck and chuck.

I think he's got a point. That is almost exactly how I felt after playing the Little Big Planet, I came, I saw, I conquered, and now I can wait a few months and pick up a used copy.

When keeping it real goes wrong?
I just hate how everyone has to be so p.c. all the time, you're just masking real feelings with scripted speeches.

Cliffy B thinks betas are a casual fuck... Dgonchild thinks Cliffy B is a dumb fuck :P

I think he's got a point, also, some people here are taking his statement too seriously...