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"Websites intentionally publish misquotes and out of context pullquotes to create forum flamewars which generates traffic and profit."
I am not a Cliffy B fan since he ruined Unreal, but quoted for fucking truth. In some respects video game jounralism is bloody depressing. No matter what you say some kind of fanboy war is going to break out, and I think a lot of reviewers try to play themselves off as objective when they will obviously have some kind of pre-existing bias whether they admit it or not. It's all well and good to say 'I just play games and want to enjoy them' and you probably do, but in the end you still have a favourite system, you still have leanings towards particular genres or styles of gameplay. But then, if you just flat-out say 'THIS IS MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION' you'll be deemed worthless, unless you're Ben Croshaw.
The video game industry is really the only one that has such a thing as 'exclusivity' in big-named brands. If I buy a movie made by Sony Motion Pictures or whatever I can still play it on my Panasonic or Toshiba or whatever DVD player. It's bizzarre when you get back and look at it.
To be blunt, I don't think any dtoid editor is more guilty of whoring for pageviews than Jimmles. But I think what Cliffy is asking for is pretty much impossible, regardless of whether he was running his mouth or not.
I am not a Cliffy B fan since he ruined Unreal, but quoted for fucking truth. In some respects video game jounralism is bloody depressing. No matter what you say some kind of fanboy war is going to break out, and I think a lot of reviewers try to play themselves off as objective when they will obviously have some kind of pre-existing bias whether they admit it or not. It's all well and good to say 'I just play games and want to enjoy them' and you probably do, but in the end you still have a favourite system, you still have leanings towards particular genres or styles of gameplay. But then, if you just flat-out say 'THIS IS MY SUBJECTIVE OPINION' you'll be deemed worthless, unless you're Ben Croshaw.
The video game industry is really the only one that has such a thing as 'exclusivity' in big-named brands. If I buy a movie made by Sony Motion Pictures or whatever I can still play it on my Panasonic or Toshiba or whatever DVD player. It's bizzarre when you get back and look at it.
To be blunt, I don't think any dtoid editor is more guilty of whoring for pageviews than Jimmles. But I think what Cliffy is asking for is pretty much impossible, regardless of whether he was running his mouth or not.
I remember reading a post about Aonuma on Destructoid and it basically boiled down to him being misquoted about OoT which was used to flavor the entire article as an OoT bashing. Clicking on the actual article link and reading it in context was enlightening because that wasn't the case. Don't think you were the author of that one Jim.
There are others, I remember there being a three page interview done with the writer for the new Crysis game. The douche that interviewed him took one quote out of all the rest that was the least interesting but the most controversial(Halo's story sucked, or something along those lines) and made that his headline. Destructoid followed up with a post about that exact quote and then a link to the guys article, which then required us to click on another link in the interviewers article to actually see the interview and quote in friggin context (really? Gotta jump through so many hoops to get the real story?). I've seen other misquotes on Destructoid as well and it begs the question: Are you defaming a person in the eyes of their peers(gamers) for page hits? I enjoyed reading the real interview.
Jim, I prefer orginal work from you and interviews but you know as well as I do that the majority of the flavor of the month readers will go for the flamebait articles first. It's up to you whether you want to milk them for page hits or not.
There are others, I remember there being a three page interview done with the writer for the new Crysis game. The douche that interviewed him took one quote out of all the rest that was the least interesting but the most controversial(Halo's story sucked, or something along those lines) and made that his headline. Destructoid followed up with a post about that exact quote and then a link to the guys article, which then required us to click on another link in the interviewers article to actually see the interview and quote in friggin context (really? Gotta jump through so many hoops to get the real story?). I've seen other misquotes on Destructoid as well and it begs the question: Are you defaming a person in the eyes of their peers(gamers) for page hits? I enjoyed reading the real interview.
Jim, I prefer orginal work from you and interviews but you know as well as I do that the majority of the flavor of the month readers will go for the flamebait articles first. It's up to you whether you want to milk them for page hits or not.
"Shouldn't you be more concerned that one of these days people are going to realize your games are total crap?"
Again, another tit taking his opinion, and making out that its some kind of accepted truth that Cliffy is uawares of. Shut your bullshit mouths, the lot of you. Just because you think a game is crap, doesn't make it crap. And if Gears is so crap, how come it still has one of the most dedicated fanbases, and online communities years or a year after its release?
Personally I hate pretty much all Japanese games with a passion, but that's just my taste, and I'm not enough of a cockmunch to pretend that my opinion is the correct opinion.
Rant over :o)
Again, another tit taking his opinion, and making out that its some kind of accepted truth that Cliffy is uawares of. Shut your bullshit mouths, the lot of you. Just because you think a game is crap, doesn't make it crap. And if Gears is so crap, how come it still has one of the most dedicated fanbases, and online communities years or a year after its release?
Personally I hate pretty much all Japanese games with a passion, but that's just my taste, and I'm not enough of a cockmunch to pretend that my opinion is the correct opinion.
Rant over :o)
"Maybe not that, but you just complained about flamebait and then lashed out at the very readers of your site. Pot, meet Kettle. "
I never even complained about flamebait. Now who's the one being taken out of context?
I never even complained about flamebait. Now who's the one being taken out of context?
"Still, you only ever see developers complaining about this kind of "journalism." I'd like to see a developer call out some of the other examples of shady writing -- say, an overhyped preview or misleadingly positive review? Let's see outspoken developers call those out, as well as the more "negative" stuff."
QFT.
but then again, Jim seems to be right about what people like to read so the reader isn't exactly blameless in this regard.
QFT.
but then again, Jim seems to be right about what people like to read so the reader isn't exactly blameless in this regard.
That's why I like Destructoid over places like Kotaku, Destructoid writers dont' pretend to be journalist.
Jim Sterling: "I never even complained about flamebait. Now who's the one being taken out of context?"
Jim Sterling: "They give a shit about the console war stuff, the flamebait stuff. When readers actually demonstrate that they WANT real journalism, maybe they'll get it."
DO YOU EVER READ YOUR OWN WORDS?
Jim Sterling: "They give a shit about the console war stuff, the flamebait stuff. When readers actually demonstrate that they WANT real journalism, maybe they'll get it."
DO YOU EVER READ YOUR OWN WORDS?
@ Jim
You're probably right... you know what gets you the most hits, and you go after it. There's a ton of talk about newspapers failing but I don't hear much about US Weekly failing, because it isn't. People like trash and fire, it's a simple truth.
You're probably right... you know what gets you the most hits, and you go after it. There's a ton of talk about newspapers failing but I don't hear much about US Weekly failing, because it isn't. People like trash and fire, it's a simple truth.
This site consists of no journalism what so ever. Its a fucking blog. Take everything you come across here with salt.
@ Jim Sterling : Please point me to an article where you actually interviewed ANYBODY.
@ Jim Sterling : Please point me to an article where you actually interviewed ANYBODY.
@ Narynan: Here's one. You can dig up the others with your own time if you like.
There are quite a few "game reporters" (because "game journalists" implies too much it seems) that should have their toys, their perks, and their access taken away from them because their writing shows biases, insults, and general uselessness. This is not just a D-toid issue.
I can think of about six "game reporters" right now from around the web that need to taste unemployment. And no site is immune to it.
Just do what I do, REMEMBER this. And use it for your own advantage when you need to do so later on down the line. WE ARE THE GAMERS, WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS, AND NO ONE PAYS FOR IT OTHER THAN US. And last time I checked I DID NOT NEED A SITE TO TELL ME THAT.
I can think of about six "game reporters" right now from around the web that need to taste unemployment. And no site is immune to it.
Just do what I do, REMEMBER this. And use it for your own advantage when you need to do so later on down the line. WE ARE THE GAMERS, WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS, AND NO ONE PAYS FOR IT OTHER THAN US. And last time I checked I DID NOT NEED A SITE TO TELL ME THAT.
Websites intentionally publish misquotes and out of context pullquotes to create forum flamewars which generates traffic and profit.
He's exactly right.
He's exactly right.
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