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No sympathy for him. This is the same man who promised Gears2 would not have any lag nor would there be any host advantage. Nothing but lies.
That's the biggest reason I hate N4G, it's all tabloid and "10 reasons X is better than Y" followed by "10 reasons Y is better than X" and it gets pushed like it's actual news from actual journalists
Also, being an enthusiast is not an excuse for crappy jouralism. Every 15 year old and his dog his a "games journalist" now, and I'm seeing less and less difference between them and the reputable sites. Journalism in gaming is a joke.
There's no way to be misquoted in that answer. Face it, you've made one good franchise and think you're the shit. Frankly, mech is from Japan so you're pretty much copying their stuff now, in a really bad way. I bet he likes all the journalism that hailed his GoW games as the shit too.
If only Destructoid could be as respectable as the Huffington Post or Fox News then we'd have nothing to worry about. Shady games "journalists"; I hope you have trouble sleeping at night for feeding this chimera Mr. Sterling.
Blog trolls make guys like Cliffy B. and David Jaffe out to be some sort of villains mostly out of really vague jealousy. I don't get it. Maybe there's a legit reason for all the backlash. Is Cliffy B. pissing in your cereal when you wake up? Did he bang all your moms? If so she probably enjoyed it. You should want your moms to be happy.
No? None of that happened? Well then maybe he's just a guy who makes videogames.
No? None of that happened? Well then maybe he's just a guy who makes videogames.
It's even worse when they misquote something as fact, they're notorious for doing it to Nintendo, taking the smallest little aside comment as absolute fact.
Good point. Maybe while he's at it he should also consider the fact that the companies, like the one he works for, only want people like him reading from press releases in the first place. I'd like him to show me a decent interview with someone like him that wasn't just advertising their upcoming game. It just doesn't happen, and I don't think the tabloid writers are the only ones to blame for that.
I doubt any of your guys at destructoid have to worry about anything, I think you guys aren't in it only fro the profit, which makes the misquoting and pulling things out of context impossible for you guys.
Extra Extra read all about it: Cliff B of Epic was born without genitalia says: "doesn't affect development process"
So, I guess Destructoid is like the "tabloid" media when they titled this "Cliffy B", after Cliff has said he doesn't want to be called that anymore?
"Websites intentionally publish misquotes and out of context pullquotes to create forum flamewars which generates traffic and profit."
Well, except the ones who do it for what may be a higher purpose. Some websites are just awesome that way. :)
Well, except the ones who do it for what may be a higher purpose. Some websites are just awesome that way. :)
M'kay. How about this line?
"Would they benefit from using the Unreal Development Kit? To be frank, this is largely not my department," he continued in a moment of diplomacy before saying, "Knocking on Japanese doors and saying 'hey, if you use this you can cut through a lot of the costs of building your own engine plus have a better game that comes out sooner and costs less money.' It's pretty much that simple"
Translation: "Use our superior engine to save money, duh."
"Would they benefit from using the Unreal Development Kit? To be frank, this is largely not my department," he continued in a moment of diplomacy before saying, "Knocking on Japanese doors and saying 'hey, if you use this you can cut through a lot of the costs of building your own engine plus have a better game that comes out sooner and costs less money.' It's pretty much that simple"
Translation: "Use our superior engine to save money, duh."
@MasterBalls: Bullshit, neither Joystiq NOR Kotaku have REALLY done that kind of thing.
You want a REAL example of a site that does 'tabloid' like news? Try Sankaku Complex. Not only do they report some pretty fucked up news, but they often blow a fairly normal situation out of proportion or shit talk video games for the sake of controversy.
Be wary though, it's NSFW.
You want a REAL example of a site that does 'tabloid' like news? Try Sankaku Complex. Not only do they report some pretty fucked up news, but they often blow a fairly normal situation out of proportion or shit talk video games for the sake of controversy.
Be wary though, it's NSFW.
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The man makes games with men made out of meat and bovine growth hormone. He will never shake the Cliffy B title.
The man makes games with men made out of meat and bovine growth hormone. He will never shake the Cliffy B title.
"I'd like to see a developer call out some of the other examples of shady writing -- say, an overhyped preview or misleadingly positive review? "
JIM! 4/10 for FFXIII was TOO HIGH!
JIM! 4/10 for FFXIII was TOO HIGH!
Timely, with the latest Electric Hydra.
The guy has a point...kind of. I'm under the impression that the same is true for <b>all</b> news media, not just blogging.
The guy has a point...kind of. I'm under the impression that the same is true for <b>all</b> news media, not just blogging.
Games Journalism is a far worse beast than it was 10 years ago.
Then I'd get excited for things like E3, now I can't stand it because every game site (Destructoid included) wants to post about every single rumour or quote or ESRB rating.
I think this applies to all journalism, though - most of the news is stuff that's about to happen: "The President will later today...", "BP is expected to plug the whole...", "A review (published later today) about the 9/11 attack is expected to say...".
That's not news. It's Futures.
Then I'd get excited for things like E3, now I can't stand it because every game site (Destructoid included) wants to post about every single rumour or quote or ESRB rating.
I think this applies to all journalism, though - most of the news is stuff that's about to happen: "The President will later today...", "BP is expected to plug the whole...", "A review (published later today) about the 9/11 attack is expected to say...".
That's not news. It's Futures.
Why get mad about over-positive reviews? If we all stated what we really thought of Gears of War, CliffyB would be out of a job.
I know how Clifford Bleszinski feels. I too believe that Jim Sterling is solely responsible for everything bad in this world.
Next Epic Spin-off game "Jims of War" to be announced soon. You play Jim Sterling and his clone who are battling their way through a fair and just Marxist society to bring about a reign of tyranny and oppression in the form of bad journalism and flaming.
"In society where everybody is equal. Jim is just a little MORE equal."
Next Epic Spin-off game "Jims of War" to be announced soon. You play Jim Sterling and his clone who are battling their way through a fair and just Marxist society to bring about a reign of tyranny and oppression in the form of bad journalism and flaming.
"In society where everybody is equal. Jim is just a little MORE equal."
i remember the time when...when games where meant to be played and not to start bitchy journalism or when game devs started to try be the new PEREZ Hilton (no, thats not a mistake).
Destructoid, has the same problem. Always the sarcasm, the small portions of hate.
What happend to the dream of the "video game club" you always wanted, Niero?
Destructoid, has the same problem. Always the sarcasm, the small portions of hate.
What happend to the dream of the "video game club" you always wanted, Niero?
" If we all stated what we really thought of Gears of War, CliffyB would be out of a job."
I think you're overstating your own opinion there. Millions of copies sold, millions of players online says that you might just be talking out of your ass.
And my gosh, what a self-important bunch of pricks gamers have become.
I think you're overstating your own opinion there. Millions of copies sold, millions of players online says that you might just be talking out of your ass.
And my gosh, what a self-important bunch of pricks gamers have become.
I have yet to see a real gaming journalist outside of Edge, to be honest. Gerstman comes close, but even he is not quite there.
Game journalism, is a joke.
Fact checking seems almost non-existant since everyone thinks Pachter's word is complete truth.
Fact checking seems almost non-existant since everyone thinks Pachter's word is complete truth.
He's exactly right. The practice of pulling quotes out of context just to get people fired up is widespread in the videgogame news profession. The whole "we're just bloggers" excuse is horrible, as well. You can't expect credibility with reviews and editorial when you're also throwing up shady, out-of-context interview quotes.
A large portion of the gaming community DEMANDS good reviews regardless of quality (see also: eight-point-eight, killzone2), and between that and the fact that gaming "journalism" mostly amounts to advertisements for whoever the article is about, it's no surprise that people don't take it seriously (except for the people who take video games TOO seriously)
I love how everybody is putting the blame entirely on games journalists without looking at themselves. Ever thought WHY writers write this way? Could it be because it's the only thing readers are responding to?
Going off personal experience, I still do original content and interviews and stuff, but sometimes I wonder why I bother because that's NEVER the shit people show an interest in. They give a shit about the console war stuff, the flamebait stuff. When readers actually demonstrate that they WANT real journalism, maybe they'll get it.
So far, there's very little evidence to suggest that a game "journalist" doing real "journalism" isn't wasting his time.
Going off personal experience, I still do original content and interviews and stuff, but sometimes I wonder why I bother because that's NEVER the shit people show an interest in. They give a shit about the console war stuff, the flamebait stuff. When readers actually demonstrate that they WANT real journalism, maybe they'll get it.
So far, there's very little evidence to suggest that a game "journalist" doing real "journalism" isn't wasting his time.
I can't get past the irony that this story is being posted by one of the biggest offenders of this practice.
"I can't get past the irony that this story is being posted by one of the biggest offenders of this practice."
Please point me to where I interviewed a developer and then misquoted them.
Please point me to where I interviewed a developer and then misquoted them.
So, was it said or not? One thing is taking it out of context, another is inventing some quote and spilling it on the internet.
I can deffinitely see him saying that, and it doesn't matter how you try to read it, it always comes off as being utterly asshole-ish. As someone said above, he made one great game with a copy-paste sequel and thinks he's revolutionizing the industry.
Specially when you realize after Bulletstorm's announcement that his creativity is limited to changing the colours of the backgrounds of meat-slicing and stuff-shooting.
When it boils down to it, most of innovation in the industry comes from Japan. If we depended on Cliffy Bs alone we'd have the same shit year after year. GOOD shit, but the same shit nonetheless.
I can deffinitely see him saying that, and it doesn't matter how you try to read it, it always comes off as being utterly asshole-ish. As someone said above, he made one great game with a copy-paste sequel and thinks he's revolutionizing the industry.
Specially when you realize after Bulletstorm's announcement that his creativity is limited to changing the colours of the backgrounds of meat-slicing and stuff-shooting.
When it boils down to it, most of innovation in the industry comes from Japan. If we depended on Cliffy Bs alone we'd have the same shit year after year. GOOD shit, but the same shit nonetheless.
Ah Cliffy C (Downgraded), still the total d-bag. If you don't like tabloid journalism, stop attracting their attention by making stupid comments like this. Shouldn't you be more concerned that one of these days people are going to realize your games are total crap?
Just sayin... Can't wait for GoW4... (What do you mean GoW3 hasn't come out yet?)
Just sayin... Can't wait for GoW4... (What do you mean GoW3 hasn't come out yet?)
ZOMG GUIZ THE 3DS IS GONNA HAV LYK3 GRAPHICS THAT R AS GUD AS DA PS3!!!1!1!1one!
That was every fucking website the other day.
That was every fucking website the other day.
I just have to say, Cliffy B. is a fucking BABY. Guess who get's misquoted on a daily basis by journalists? The President! Take the good with the bad. The bad is that you get misquoted and some flaming articles are made. The good is that he's now he's a god to a bunch of nerds. This is along the same lines of Britney Spears crying about the Paparazzi.
Chocolate cures cancer!
Yeah, regular newpapers, TV news and news magazines never use pull headlines to draw us in, they never misrepresent facts, they never present studies and results without telling us who funded the study, who did the study and the basic numbers in the study (that chocolate cures cancer headline was everywhere a couple of years ago... but it was never mentioned that Mars, the chocolate bar manufacturer, was a large contributor to the study, that it was a laboratory study only on cells and that the chocolate additive only slowed the cancer cell growth of a few of the cancers it was applied to.... in other words it was a complete farce).
Cliffy B is complaining about "journalism" in today's world... not "games journalism". The good thing is that gamers are actually quite net-literate and we actually see stories like this or even the original twitter post. Unfortunately the chocolate cures cancer details were never released unless you did a LOT of digging... you just saw the headline and ate chocolate thinking it was good for you.
Yeah, regular newpapers, TV news and news magazines never use pull headlines to draw us in, they never misrepresent facts, they never present studies and results without telling us who funded the study, who did the study and the basic numbers in the study (that chocolate cures cancer headline was everywhere a couple of years ago... but it was never mentioned that Mars, the chocolate bar manufacturer, was a large contributor to the study, that it was a laboratory study only on cells and that the chocolate additive only slowed the cancer cell growth of a few of the cancers it was applied to.... in other words it was a complete farce).
Cliffy B is complaining about "journalism" in today's world... not "games journalism". The good thing is that gamers are actually quite net-literate and we actually see stories like this or even the original twitter post. Unfortunately the chocolate cures cancer details were never released unless you did a LOT of digging... you just saw the headline and ate chocolate thinking it was good for you.
"Please point me to where I interviewed a developer and then misquoted them."
Maybe not that, but you just complained about flamebait and then lashed out at the very readers of your site. Pot, meet Kettle.
Sidenote: I can always tell a Jim article on this site before checking the author because it'll be pissy and whining about something.
Maybe not that, but you just complained about flamebait and then lashed out at the very readers of your site. Pot, meet Kettle.
Sidenote: I can always tell a Jim article on this site before checking the author because it'll be pissy and whining about something.
i see your point there, jim. with the people wanting flamebait articles and all. BUT i'm pretty sure that it's possible to maintain a website without the flame threads. gonintendo does a pretty good job at it, they don't do op ed, but there isn't much flame on their site. i think it has more to do with who the games/articles are being written for, ie the new to the real world, entry level college student. let's face it, that college freshman is only going to be interested in playing games where things blow up, and blogging about how nintendo is for pansies, etc.
i've been avoiding sites due to this issue, dtoid included, but i understand that i'm a minority gamer. turning 30 this year, don't own ps60, and don't follow electronics trends. my point after all of that is, if you write articles for more cerebral readers, you will see the change you're looking for in readership. there are far less gamers out there that will read your posts, but you could actually make a difference to the gaming community. as it stands "gaming journalism" is a joke, and is going to remain that way until someone makes a site designed for adults instead of children.
i've been avoiding sites due to this issue, dtoid included, but i understand that i'm a minority gamer. turning 30 this year, don't own ps60, and don't follow electronics trends. my point after all of that is, if you write articles for more cerebral readers, you will see the change you're looking for in readership. there are far less gamers out there that will read your posts, but you could actually make a difference to the gaming community. as it stands "gaming journalism" is a joke, and is going to remain that way until someone makes a site designed for adults instead of children.
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