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Well, the trickiest part in trying to raise money for Class of Heroes 2 is the fact that it's a PSP game and unlike Japan it's been rather dead for the past year or even longer.
Hell, I rarely see them getting sold at the store I work at and it's not because we lack fancy Limited Edition JRPGs.
Hell, I rarely see them getting sold at the store I work at and it's not because we lack fancy Limited Edition JRPGs.
So what they're saying is fund this or expect a game with shitty controls, a terrible interface, no perks and one save slot. I mean, if they don't reach their goal who is going to want to buy the game?
Seems like alot of money for localization, is this a big series in Japan? (I have no knowledge of JRPG´s please excuse my ignorance)
They should do this for translating Retro Game Challenge and Half Minute Hero 2. Then, I would contribute.
@Ayb Sidewinda
Licensing, localization, retail and digital releases, probably a tiny bit of marketing, etc, etc.
Licensing, localization, retail and digital releases, probably a tiny bit of marketing, etc, etc.
Not familiar with the series, perhaps some gameplay footage would be nice. Quick google/youtube search turned up an intro video with animated cut scenes and some still shots of battle .....
This is when I wish SEGA would organize something like this for VC3. Never played the first one for this game, I wish them luck since we may get more localization possibilities if this succeeds.
I get the feeling I'm going to be a minority in this, but I think I'm already starting sick of everyone turning to Kickstarter to help their project along, and the press it gets --and then the retread of DoubleFine's success with it yadda yadda..
I get it, we all get it, some great games we really want, that should be in the world, need help and we can give it, and DoubleFine was an example of a company that deserves all that support and more.. But the buck is going to stop somewhere, at some game, and people are going to start seeing it for what it turns out to be a lot of the time "a pre-order your paying for in full -in advance- that doesn't guarantee the game will actually come out"
People are going to get pissed about that if it happens to backfire on the developer, specially when they realize that the only real good point to throwing their money at a project is to get a copy of the game out of it, because of your donation, on the other side of it. I even venture that one day someone will even manage to feel taken if they simply throw $5-$20 at these guys THEN decide down the line that they wanted to buy the game too. Entitlement and all that.
And what happens if these games turn out to suck? Where are peoples feelings going to be then?
And, on the developer end of it, everyone lately seems to think that they can reproduce DoubleFine's success, on this high because "magic happened", and I don't really want to see the day when the industry has to deal with the fact that it may have been a fluke. Its going to be a huge letdown when the honeymoon fades and the facts set in. Or then they realize its because people actually love Shaffer and his company, but not them. Theres going to be a whole lot of hurt feelings all around, and I assume a lot of crying to the press about how fans are ungrateful.
I Just get the feeling that the charity of doing this is going to be short lived and turn into another riot, in either direction. I really implore developers even remotely thinking about doing this to tread carefully when pushing forward with it.
I get it, we all get it, some great games we really want, that should be in the world, need help and we can give it, and DoubleFine was an example of a company that deserves all that support and more.. But the buck is going to stop somewhere, at some game, and people are going to start seeing it for what it turns out to be a lot of the time "a pre-order your paying for in full -in advance- that doesn't guarantee the game will actually come out"
People are going to get pissed about that if it happens to backfire on the developer, specially when they realize that the only real good point to throwing their money at a project is to get a copy of the game out of it, because of your donation, on the other side of it. I even venture that one day someone will even manage to feel taken if they simply throw $5-$20 at these guys THEN decide down the line that they wanted to buy the game too. Entitlement and all that.
And what happens if these games turn out to suck? Where are peoples feelings going to be then?
And, on the developer end of it, everyone lately seems to think that they can reproduce DoubleFine's success, on this high because "magic happened", and I don't really want to see the day when the industry has to deal with the fact that it may have been a fluke. Its going to be a huge letdown when the honeymoon fades and the facts set in. Or then they realize its because people actually love Shaffer and his company, but not them. Theres going to be a whole lot of hurt feelings all around, and I assume a lot of crying to the press about how fans are ungrateful.
I Just get the feeling that the charity of doing this is going to be short lived and turn into another riot, in either direction. I really implore developers even remotely thinking about doing this to tread carefully when pushing forward with it.
I'm wavering on whether to jump onboard with this or not. The whole reason I've kept my PSP around is for JRPGs, but I'm not familiar with this series. What did anyone who played the first game think about it?
It's not money for a localization though. It's money so they can produce a boxed special edition.
This is stupid. Anyone who donates a smaller amount gets nothing in return except an email. You can donate but at the end you will still need to purchase the game.
This is stupid. Anyone who donates a smaller amount gets nothing in return except an email. You can donate but at the end you will still need to purchase the game.
@Boomingechoes
I fear for the other, non-gaming related projects on Kickstarter. I would hate to see a backlash against all these other projects just because people are sick of actual companies turning to this site to fund their games.
I fear for the other, non-gaming related projects on Kickstarter. I would hate to see a backlash against all these other projects just because people are sick of actual companies turning to this site to fund their games.
according to them at the current pace they will make the goal in less than 20 days.............
so yeah people love rpgs like always and digg collectors editions
so yeah people love rpgs like always and digg collectors editions
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1272149684/class-of-heroes-2-deluxe-for-the-psp-system
everyone should donate for what it represents. And that is more localizations
I did 500 bucks, I did my part
everyone should donate for what it represents. And that is more localizations
I did 500 bucks, I did my part
I read it as Clash of Heroes 2 and got really excited and then I was really disappointed when I realized how stupid I was.
Creating a Kickstarter to develop a new game is cool. But creating a kickstarter to localize a game that publishers don't want to bring over? Genius. It would be a nice change of pace from say...begging Nintendo or Konami to get off their asses and have them consistently say no until elaborate projects like Operation Rainfall get organized.
The great thing here is that people should support this Kickstarter if they believe in this being a route for localizing Japanese games, especially JRPGs. If that's you, you should definitely support. Call me crazy, but that $10,000 tier which includes a paid trip to E3 is something that a rich gamer would probably love.
Guys, they're releasing the game either way as a digital download. The Kickstarter project is only for the physical Limited Edition versions.
^ its not only about the physical collection.
Its about getting this new localization form started.......look at the big picture......
oh Valkyria 3 is passed on? Let not just kick start it?
It can be a great thing. I did my part
Its about getting this new localization form started.......look at the big picture......
oh Valkyria 3 is passed on? Let not just kick start it?
It can be a great thing. I did my part
I put my money up for this. More than being a copy of Class of Heroes 2, it's more a sign that we want to go back to the days of Working Designs' ridiculous special editions, and not just tossing a few stickers and a CD in a box and calling it a special edition.
I would support this, but if I did ever buy this game, I'd get it digitally anyway so I don't see the point of producing a physical copy. It seems like a lot of money when just throwing it up digitally would be so much easier and less costly.
^ its about supporting physical in general and about supporting a new localization house.
You want other new japanese rpgs from them? you support them
donate
You want other new japanese rpgs from them? you support them
donate
@BoomingEchoes
Your concerns are a year too late. Kickstarter has been a huge success for indie musicians, artists, and hobbyists before more entrepreneurial small press companies got a hold of it. Double Fine is the biggest success and launched it into the mainstream eye but your concerns have been echoed since Kickstarter began and dissipated until they started firing up again last month.
Here's the deal with Kickstarter: your "cred" is on the line. People with no established reputation need a rock solid business plan to even think about getting funded (truth of the matter, there are more failed projects than successful ones by a large margin). Established companies have everything to lose. If Double Fine Adventure, Wasteland 2, whatever the Rainbow Six guys are working on, Gaijin Games, and so on fail to deliver then their entire business will go down the tubes as these small guys rely on goodwill among their tight knit fans to survive. If EA pisses someone off nothing happens: Mass Effect 3 mad people mad but if ME4 came out tomorrow it would still sell millions. If these small companies alienate their fans they would die.
Kickstarter is, essentially, an advanced pre-order made on good faith. It's a wonderful idea that has created projects that never would have existed without aid like affordable 3D printers and art gallery shows in big cities. Every entertainment medium (film, comic books, literature) has seen resistance when it comes to indie projects. There's this gross belief that publishers establish a level of quality necessary for projects to be successful but in some cases they stifle creativity, not encourage it. Video games have the highest barrier of entry out of any medium and are regularly eclipsing entire film budgets. Anything that allows people to create professional, retail quality titles without seeking out publishers is 100% good in my book.
Video games are late to the Kickstarter market but it's wonderful they've taken off because it proves that fans truly desire unique ideas that big publishers simply aren't interested in investing in. If a game turns out bad then that's the developer's fault, not Kickstarter's. It won't put a dent in Kickstarter (as past project failures prior to Double Fine's craze haven't done anything) because the developers have their reputation on the line.
Your concerns are a year too late. Kickstarter has been a huge success for indie musicians, artists, and hobbyists before more entrepreneurial small press companies got a hold of it. Double Fine is the biggest success and launched it into the mainstream eye but your concerns have been echoed since Kickstarter began and dissipated until they started firing up again last month.
Here's the deal with Kickstarter: your "cred" is on the line. People with no established reputation need a rock solid business plan to even think about getting funded (truth of the matter, there are more failed projects than successful ones by a large margin). Established companies have everything to lose. If Double Fine Adventure, Wasteland 2, whatever the Rainbow Six guys are working on, Gaijin Games, and so on fail to deliver then their entire business will go down the tubes as these small guys rely on goodwill among their tight knit fans to survive. If EA pisses someone off nothing happens: Mass Effect 3 mad people mad but if ME4 came out tomorrow it would still sell millions. If these small companies alienate their fans they would die.
Kickstarter is, essentially, an advanced pre-order made on good faith. It's a wonderful idea that has created projects that never would have existed without aid like affordable 3D printers and art gallery shows in big cities. Every entertainment medium (film, comic books, literature) has seen resistance when it comes to indie projects. There's this gross belief that publishers establish a level of quality necessary for projects to be successful but in some cases they stifle creativity, not encourage it. Video games have the highest barrier of entry out of any medium and are regularly eclipsing entire film budgets. Anything that allows people to create professional, retail quality titles without seeking out publishers is 100% good in my book.
Video games are late to the Kickstarter market but it's wonderful they've taken off because it proves that fans truly desire unique ideas that big publishers simply aren't interested in investing in. If a game turns out bad then that's the developer's fault, not Kickstarter's. It won't put a dent in Kickstarter (as past project failures prior to Double Fine's craze haven't done anything) because the developers have their reputation on the line.
@BoomingEchoes
inXile managed to reproduce DoubleFine's success quite handily. When it comes to where backers put their money, it all comes down to how well the developer is known and what their past projects were like.
In this case, I don't own a PSP and I only clicked the article because I thought this might be a Tactics style game, which I adore. Nobody is asking you to support products that don't interest you. I've spent more money on pre-ordering lesser games, nothing wrong with dropping some cash in hopes that a product that interests you gets made.
inXile managed to reproduce DoubleFine's success quite handily. When it comes to where backers put their money, it all comes down to how well the developer is known and what their past projects were like.
In this case, I don't own a PSP and I only clicked the article because I thought this might be a Tactics style game, which I adore. Nobody is asking you to support products that don't interest you. I've spent more money on pre-ordering lesser games, nothing wrong with dropping some cash in hopes that a product that interests you gets made.
As an addendum, this IS one of the weakest Kickstarter projects I've seen. Period. The game is coming out regardless but none of the tiers offers the digital version (maybe they can't for legal reasons from Sony?). They make vague references to what will be in the deluxe edition and seem to hold quality hostage. Double Fine wanted $400,000 for a complete game but these guys want $500,000 for better localization? Huh?
Maybe I'm missing things here but the writeup is very bad. They need to clarify what they're offering and do a better job justifying the donations. This is the kind of Kickstarter that shouldn't be supported. Kickstarter should be a market of ideas. This is a "Give us money and maybe we'll do a little better."
Maybe I'm missing things here but the writeup is very bad. They need to clarify what they're offering and do a better job justifying the donations. This is the kind of Kickstarter that shouldn't be supported. Kickstarter should be a market of ideas. This is a "Give us money and maybe we'll do a little better."
This is the type of thing I wanted to happen (Kickstarter creating more localisations) but damn them for starting with what looks like a mediocre title. Why couldn't this have been Valkyria Chronicles 3 or Miles Edgeworth Investigations 2?
I believe they also said that they want to bring other games over too that havent been brought over, so maybe the money would go towards them too.
i know i am going to back this. Hopefully they will reach 500000 because the might open up the chance that maybe VC3 or a dragon force or maybe new suikoden game might get translated. There are so many awesome jrpgs that never come stateside.
why the fuck do I need to pay extra for a fucking save file, decent controls, and a non shitty ui. This sounds fucking stupid, I'm sorry but it does. Another thing: can no one make a goddamn company without calling it gaijin? the only one making good games is gaijin games, the rest kinda suck. there are other things to name a game company....
I like Class of Heroes. I do not like the way this whole kickstarter thing is going though. I sincerely hope this doesn't become the way games are getting financed from now on.
@BoomingEchoes
I was gonna go with this, but then I read @cow. Interesting points all around. But at the same time I still do fear to many devs will be taking advantage of the system, and tbh this project seems like one of them, I mean how many people even know of this game, yet they have a goal of 500 thousand, I love being romantic about what kickstarter embodies, but I fear for the worst, but for other mediums it seems to have worked out, so hopefully it all goes well for this little medium as well.
I was gonna go with this, but then I read @cow. Interesting points all around. But at the same time I still do fear to many devs will be taking advantage of the system, and tbh this project seems like one of them, I mean how many people even know of this game, yet they have a goal of 500 thousand, I love being romantic about what kickstarter embodies, but I fear for the worst, but for other mediums it seems to have worked out, so hopefully it all goes well for this little medium as well.
This is stupid, they bought the right for the game already, and they're releasing it no matter what, what do they need to kickstart it for? Sounds like greed to me.
I am guessing a lot of you have no clue who the guy is who runs that Gaijin half of this kickstarter. You may have heard of Working Designs, but for a lot of us middle age fogeys who loved our jrpg's back in the 90's and early 2000, Working Designs was a top 3 company on any list of ours. They made really ornate box sets, giving some heavy duty items inside of it, I still have my locket from one of the Lunar games, and a little metal staff with a glass globe on the end. They released games that wouldn't of seen the light of day in the West if it hadn't of been for them. For a lot of people, this kickstarter has the potential to bring back a company many of us loved because they were an awesome company.
I don't own a psp, I probably never will own a psp, but I am going to donate to this kickstarter more for the hopes of what will come after this game.
I don't own a psp, I probably never will own a psp, but I am going to donate to this kickstarter more for the hopes of what will come after this game.
Lets be clear, if none of you dont donate at least 1 dollar, your all hypocrites........its not about the game
Its about supporting phjysical. Its about supporting a new localization way of thinking,
and honestly its about supporting an industry thats failing right now
Its about supporting phjysical. Its about supporting a new localization way of thinking,
and honestly its about supporting an industry thats failing right now
Stealth, be clear about this. I'm not donating a single fucking penny. I don't like JRPGs and I'm not going to support kickstarter projects because of some nebulous notion you just cooked up about failing industries and ways of thinking. You're talking out of your ass, which is fine. I talk out of my ass quite often as well around here, I'm sure. I won't be bullied out of my money though.
Asking nicely is one thing. Name calling and lecturing is quite another. The first one will go a long way toward persuading me to see your side. The second will lead me to tell you to go fuck yourself.
Asking nicely is one thing. Name calling and lecturing is quite another. The first one will go a long way toward persuading me to see your side. The second will lead me to tell you to go fuck yourself.
I don't quite get where you are getting this idea that that we will some how get more localizations out of this from what is already two almost dead publishers if we donate. I think that is some magical thinking, and I don't want to support a sequel to a mediocre Wizardry throwback for some "greater good". Thats called being a sucker.
The goal amount for this seems a bit lofty. I'm a huge fan of ridiculously niche JRPGs, but I think they should have aimed for something with more appeal or just went for a lower amount. The fact they're bringing it out either way also doesn't give me much incentive for games I'm not a huge fan of. That said...it's a brilliant idea in itself, as others have said, BRING ON THE VCIII KICKSTARTER!
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