surf dtoid with 
Rising (10+)
People you follow
@majestic
"equates your understanding and capacity for critial thinking to the same level as educated astrophysicists, biologist, medical practitioners"
So you think youre on this level and he isnt JUST because he reads the Holy Bible and you dont?
"equates your understanding and capacity for critial thinking to the same level as educated astrophysicists, biologist, medical practitioners"
So you think youre on this level and he isnt JUST because he reads the Holy Bible and you dont?
See? This is what happens. Someone brings up religion and everyone starts fighting. At least it's just the internet and that kind of stuff doesn't happen in real lif-
Oh. Dammit.
Oh. Dammit.
It's always funny to watch religious groups pick and choose which "sins" should be banned, when they don't have a problem with ways to get drunk being legal.
The Bible also says not to get involved with the world, but to be set apart from it. Trying to govern what people choose to do sounds like getting involved to me...
The Bible also says not to get involved with the world, but to be set apart from it. Trying to govern what people choose to do sounds like getting involved to me...
THIS IS WHO I WORSHIP!!! the Leader is good the Leader is great we surrender our will as of the state.
@CommanderPoopypants:
I am not asserting I am smarter than him, I am asserting that I am using my brain better than him. I believe El Conrado is a reasonable person who has been raised, taught, or conditioned to behave and think unreasonably. Or perhaps he just hasn't taken a moment to really question his beliefs. There is no virtue in having an unquestioning and closed off mind. Question everything. Question me, even question scientists. I digress that, when questioning, you would do so without biases though. Question your pastors and priests, question your Bible school teachers. Find knowledge.
There is absolutely nothing scientific about the Bible. Stories like Adam and Eve, the flood, the Ark with every animal on it, light being made before the light source was made, and stories like how Egypt mass enslaved jews, are all completely unsupported by observable and empirical evidence in the world that we know. The only shred of a basis one would have to even begin to ponder upon any of the previous stories having ever possibly happened are because a bronze aged book asserts them. There are much older books that assert different creation myths that you do not believe. Why is it you do not believe one fairy tale and not the other? If you removed the Bible and its heresay accounts of myth, then no other evidence that exists in the entire universe that has been observed by mankind has lead to a hypothesis even remotely close to suggesting any of those claims. There is no evidence that has ever existed that supports the existence of a god. None. I would challenge you to prove the creation myths, the idea of there being a god, or the historical accuracy of the bible when cross referenced with thousands of other documented accounts by less biased sources.
I am not asserting I am smarter than him, I am asserting that I am using my brain better than him. I believe El Conrado is a reasonable person who has been raised, taught, or conditioned to behave and think unreasonably. Or perhaps he just hasn't taken a moment to really question his beliefs. There is no virtue in having an unquestioning and closed off mind. Question everything. Question me, even question scientists. I digress that, when questioning, you would do so without biases though. Question your pastors and priests, question your Bible school teachers. Find knowledge.
There is absolutely nothing scientific about the Bible. Stories like Adam and Eve, the flood, the Ark with every animal on it, light being made before the light source was made, and stories like how Egypt mass enslaved jews, are all completely unsupported by observable and empirical evidence in the world that we know. The only shred of a basis one would have to even begin to ponder upon any of the previous stories having ever possibly happened are because a bronze aged book asserts them. There are much older books that assert different creation myths that you do not believe. Why is it you do not believe one fairy tale and not the other? If you removed the Bible and its heresay accounts of myth, then no other evidence that exists in the entire universe that has been observed by mankind has lead to a hypothesis even remotely close to suggesting any of those claims. There is no evidence that has ever existed that supports the existence of a god. None. I would challenge you to prove the creation myths, the idea of there being a god, or the historical accuracy of the bible when cross referenced with thousands of other documented accounts by less biased sources.
God Complex on the first page of comments pretty much says it all
and you know what, god forbid theres actually cops that have given cops a bad name too.. I have friends who are cops now and I don't mean them or the actual good ones, but I'm talking the ones who go out of their way to steal from the people they're arresting or get caught beating the crap out of people who don't deserve it (and yes, this shit happens it feels like every fricken day if you watch the news where I am, its sickening)
and you know what, god forbid theres actually cops that have given cops a bad name too.. I have friends who are cops now and I don't mean them or the actual good ones, but I'm talking the ones who go out of their way to steal from the people they're arresting or get caught beating the crap out of people who don't deserve it (and yes, this shit happens it feels like every fricken day if you watch the news where I am, its sickening)
@majestic
Dont read much about archaeology? Theyve discovered countless places in the historical account of the bible in just the last ten years...places they thought didnt exist. And the notion that science and christianity dont mix is just ignorant thinking. You really dont know what youre talking about!
Dont read much about archaeology? Theyve discovered countless places in the historical account of the bible in just the last ten years...places they thought didnt exist. And the notion that science and christianity dont mix is just ignorant thinking. You really dont know what youre talking about!
@Majesticgoat
"So let me get this straight, you're asserting that there is as much reason to believe in the existence of unicorns as there is reason to believe that gravity will continue to keep us falling towards the earth?"
Nope, I never said that, but the fact that you felt that "unicorns vs gravity" was the ONLY possible conclusion to what I meant to say justifies my intent to ignore this argument altogether, because it proves one of two things: 1) you have no intention of understanding my side of the argument and only wish to discredit it by misrepresenting it, or (b you just don't get it.
In ether case there's no point in continuing to argue this with someone who doesn't grasp the concept of the validity of a belief not being related to the primal desire to believing it, kid.
We all fill the gaps in our logic and lack of evidence with self-constructed justifications. We wouldn't be able to function as high minded beings without that.
I also don't like it when people put words in my mouth, or use 100 year old arguments that have been shown to be meaningless. That's a surefire way to make me lose interest.
Ta ta!
"So let me get this straight, you're asserting that there is as much reason to believe in the existence of unicorns as there is reason to believe that gravity will continue to keep us falling towards the earth?"
Nope, I never said that, but the fact that you felt that "unicorns vs gravity" was the ONLY possible conclusion to what I meant to say justifies my intent to ignore this argument altogether, because it proves one of two things: 1) you have no intention of understanding my side of the argument and only wish to discredit it by misrepresenting it, or (b you just don't get it.
In ether case there's no point in continuing to argue this with someone who doesn't grasp the concept of the validity of a belief not being related to the primal desire to believing it, kid.
We all fill the gaps in our logic and lack of evidence with self-constructed justifications. We wouldn't be able to function as high minded beings without that.
I also don't like it when people put words in my mouth, or use 100 year old arguments that have been shown to be meaningless. That's a surefire way to make me lose interest.
Ta ta!
@CommanderPoopypants: Examples of relevance. I know locations in the Biblical accounts exist, e.g. Egypt, Rome, cities like Jerusalem, etc.. You have not really given any credence to the absurd claims in the Bible. You're still not using reason. Tom Clancy stories have real cities in them, does that make the stories real?
I know what I am talking about. I am not being ignorant. I am considering all view points, however you are not presenting much of a unsubstantial case for the Bible for us to go off of. I feel pretty resolute in the points I have touched upon in lieu of you just trying to call me names instead of presenting a case to justify believing in a god.
I know what I am talking about. I am not being ignorant. I am considering all view points, however you are not presenting much of a unsubstantial case for the Bible for us to go off of. I feel pretty resolute in the points I have touched upon in lieu of you just trying to call me names instead of presenting a case to justify believing in a god.
@Majesticgoat
"There is absolutely nothing scientific about the Bible."
I had to chuckle at that one. Really there's nothing scientific about a non-science book? Who would have thought?
I'm not going to go into every example, but there IS scientific evidence of supporting many events in the Bible, including your cited stories (well, except Adam and Eve); feel free to look it up. Much of it raises more questions, though.
"There is absolutely nothing scientific about the Bible."
I had to chuckle at that one. Really there's nothing scientific about a non-science book? Who would have thought?
I'm not going to go into every example, but there IS scientific evidence of supporting many events in the Bible, including your cited stories (well, except Adam and Eve); feel free to look it up. Much of it raises more questions, though.
@El Conrado: I have tried to understand the monotheistic side of arguments all of my life. My entire family was Christian. I was raised in a Christian household going to a Pentecostal church and Bible school, and I participated in the youth group as well. I called myself a born again Christian. When I was still an adolescent I even believed in Jesus as my personal savior. However, there were questions I had and contradictions in the Bible that nothing in the Bible or no apologist spin could reconcile for me.
I have the sole intentions of understanding, but all you've given me to understand is that you believe in a myth and do not feel the need to give an intellectual justification for it. You've demonstrated that the ignorance of fact, or completely ignoring it, is something that you find to be a virtue, and you denounce my pursuit of truth based on logic and reason.
Maybe I just do not get it, but that is why I am discussing it with you. I do not believe I have been particularly hostile, and I think my questions and examples have merits. I use the unicorn example because it is incredulous, and despite it being a completely different myth than Biblical myth, I have yet to have been presented any evidence for unicorns that is any less persuasive and non-consequential as the stories in the Bible. I do not mean to offend by saying the concept of the Abrahamic god is as absurd as the concept of unicorns but it really is. Each has as much supporting evidence as the other, with the exception that the Bible uses circular assertions to justify itself by saying it is true, where as Unicorn myths do not.
I am not sure why you are attempting to condescend me and call me a kid when you are the one demonstrably lacking in critical faculties.
I agree we fill in gaps to a certain degree. Every scientific theory or hypothesis pending further evidence that has ever undergone study is to some effect based on a belief or assumption, but the point is that the scientist still is making an effort to pursue the truth and is in no way reserved to believe the initial assumption if evidence would be contrary to it.
The Bible is an account of a myth that defies logic or evidence. The Bible has given you a concept that you are using to fill in all of the gaps without any evidence to justify it, and when evidence appears that begin to close the gaps Christians tend to deny it, close their ears and drown out the noise, or outright try to assert the opposite without a factual basis for no other reason than they are uncomfortable with having your beliefs challenged.
You could be the best Christian teacher in the world to give me an example of how your saying "god dunnit" is a valid stance and gone on to stun the world by making a point that has never been able to be made, but instead you go predicable route of the flat earthers, heliocentrists, or young earth creationists by lying about, ignoring evidence, or shutting out the debate with your fingers in your ears...
...but if you do not want to debate because you can't actually make a good point then I bid you good day.
I have the sole intentions of understanding, but all you've given me to understand is that you believe in a myth and do not feel the need to give an intellectual justification for it. You've demonstrated that the ignorance of fact, or completely ignoring it, is something that you find to be a virtue, and you denounce my pursuit of truth based on logic and reason.
Maybe I just do not get it, but that is why I am discussing it with you. I do not believe I have been particularly hostile, and I think my questions and examples have merits. I use the unicorn example because it is incredulous, and despite it being a completely different myth than Biblical myth, I have yet to have been presented any evidence for unicorns that is any less persuasive and non-consequential as the stories in the Bible. I do not mean to offend by saying the concept of the Abrahamic god is as absurd as the concept of unicorns but it really is. Each has as much supporting evidence as the other, with the exception that the Bible uses circular assertions to justify itself by saying it is true, where as Unicorn myths do not.
I am not sure why you are attempting to condescend me and call me a kid when you are the one demonstrably lacking in critical faculties.
I agree we fill in gaps to a certain degree. Every scientific theory or hypothesis pending further evidence that has ever undergone study is to some effect based on a belief or assumption, but the point is that the scientist still is making an effort to pursue the truth and is in no way reserved to believe the initial assumption if evidence would be contrary to it.
The Bible is an account of a myth that defies logic or evidence. The Bible has given you a concept that you are using to fill in all of the gaps without any evidence to justify it, and when evidence appears that begin to close the gaps Christians tend to deny it, close their ears and drown out the noise, or outright try to assert the opposite without a factual basis for no other reason than they are uncomfortable with having your beliefs challenged.
You could be the best Christian teacher in the world to give me an example of how your saying "god dunnit" is a valid stance and gone on to stun the world by making a point that has never been able to be made, but instead you go predicable route of the flat earthers, heliocentrists, or young earth creationists by lying about, ignoring evidence, or shutting out the debate with your fingers in your ears...
...but if you do not want to debate because you can't actually make a good point then I bid you good day.
You have the soapbox. Give me evidence of the god of Abraham's existence. I am all ears, El Conrado.
We can make a game of it. Link me something you think proves the Bible is true, and I will see how fast I can use observable evidence of history or physics to disprove it.
We can make a game of it. Link me something you think proves the Bible is true, and I will see how fast I can use observable evidence of history or physics to disprove it.
"I'm frankly more concerned that there are groups of police officers who identify themselves through the fact that they believe in things without needing any evidence. Not sure I'd want them handling any case I was involved in."
Hah, I love this.
Hah, I love this.
Fuck you Christian police, I'm still going to go wild if I ever grow demonic tendrils from my back. Unfortunately that doesn't seem very likely.
I just paid $22,87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38,76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $675 which only cost me $71,32 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, http://bit.ly/qNNVG2
follow
