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Religious views making someone do something stupid and / or terrible? Who would have thought that people who believe in a magical sky wizard could ever suffer from an inability to use logic?
The dude wrote a 1500 Christian manifesto. In it he mentioned MW2 briefly. So... the Bible needs to be banned 1000x more?
You know, for a group so concerned with a "good book," they sure don't know how to read up on psychological issues.
If this were a valid point they were tryng to make, then by the same token, I should be able to ban them from operating because they represent the Christian faith, and therefore contributed to this man's warped sense of justice, right and wrong. Then, we go after churches.
But we wouldn't do that, because intelligent people look at the individual, not the scapegoat placed out there to distract people from what the problem really is.
Intolerance is what provided the main fuel for the fire. By kneejerking into another fit of intolerant behavior, you've made yourselves no better, even though you pulled no triggers.
If this were a valid point they were tryng to make, then by the same token, I should be able to ban them from operating because they represent the Christian faith, and therefore contributed to this man's warped sense of justice, right and wrong. Then, we go after churches.
But we wouldn't do that, because intelligent people look at the individual, not the scapegoat placed out there to distract people from what the problem really is.
Intolerance is what provided the main fuel for the fire. By kneejerking into another fit of intolerant behavior, you've made yourselves no better, even though you pulled no triggers.
I should dress up as jesus and show up on this dudes door with a gun in his face and be like who's your saviour now BIATCH!
Ironically throughout history religion,is responsible for far more deaths than anything or anyone else combined.
well they actually have taken games off the shelves in Norway
specifically cod 4 to black ops counter strike and.. world of Warcraft?
specifically cod 4 to black ops counter strike and.. world of Warcraft?
Well, duh. After all, when a Muslim kills a bunch of people, it's because Islam teaches us to kill everyone. When a Christian kills a bunch of people, it's because of video games.
I will enjoy posting to destroy not only Jim's opinion but everyone else who did not read this man's manifesto
A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian (p. 1307).
A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian (p. 1307).
Am I a libertarian? Figures...
But yeah, the right wing fundamentalist christian part is being overlooked in this case.
But you know, blame COD.
But yeah, the right wing fundamentalist christian part is being overlooked in this case.
But you know, blame COD.
@MCBattery
"Ironically throughout history religion,is responsible for far more deaths than anything or anyone else combined."
This is a false and empty statement.
The collective motives for war, conquest and genocide are varied and complex, and cannot be summed up by a simple and unsupported catchphrase.
"Ironically throughout history religion,is responsible for far more deaths than anything or anyone else combined."
This is a false and empty statement.
The collective motives for war, conquest and genocide are varied and complex, and cannot be summed up by a simple and unsupported catchphrase.
As an Australian AND a Christian I definitely have an opinion about this nonsense! A STRONG opinion, let me tell you!
You know I would take the risk of like a hundred people getting shot up by some maniac every t20 years \for freedom.
It seems that no one actually bothered to look at the manifesto. The killer used Christianity as a way to gather people, because neo-nazis and white supremacists had a bad reputation. He figured it was a more socially accepted banner to get people on his side. If you actually read anything that he had, you'll see that he was just as crazy as anyone else. Saying that Christianity is at all to blame for his actions is fallacious.
On the hand of the Christian group who wants to ban games because of this, they need to calm the hell down. They should realize that video games do not a homicidal crazy man make. Going straight to a knee jerk reaction makes you look like you're trying to accomplish an agenda in light of a tragedy. Go do what Christians should do, assist the families in any way you can, not blame everyone for the actions of a guy who is clearly off his rocker.
On the hand of the Christian group who wants to ban games because of this, they need to calm the hell down. They should realize that video games do not a homicidal crazy man make. Going straight to a knee jerk reaction makes you look like you're trying to accomplish an agenda in light of a tragedy. Go do what Christians should do, assist the families in any way you can, not blame everyone for the actions of a guy who is clearly off his rocker.
and0, the last two paragraphs are from his personal manifesto, the man never identified with Christ at a religious sense, he identified with the culture surrounding, aka the west, vs eastern intrusion based on Muslim ideals, therefore he was not a christian, therefore he was not motivated by a desire to Kill for God, therefore, calling him a Christian is retarded
I wonder how many lives would have been spared over the years if we banned the bible... How many died in that youth camp?
@and0
I may be wrong, since I haven't read it, but I think that's the part in the "Manifesto" where Breivik admits to being a Christian in name only.
Kinda throws a wrench in the whole "religiously motivated" argument.
I may be wrong, since I haven't read it, but I think that's the part in the "Manifesto" where Breivik admits to being a Christian in name only.
Kinda throws a wrench in the whole "religiously motivated" argument.
The Australian Christian Lobby wants violent videogames banned? Does that include Bible Fight?
What would Jesus do in this case? Probably try to make it to the top of the leaderboard.
What would Jesus do in this case? Probably try to make it to the top of the leaderboard.
yeah...I've always said books need to be outlawed because of the harm that the maniacs that read the Bible have caused throughout history.
@and0, @Jon Gritzer
Yeah, really. What WERE you talking about? It isn't about god. It isn't about Jesus. It's about people killing in the name of religion being wrong. Then, to make matters worse, the people who share the same religion seem content to bury their head in the sand about it and point the finger at another boogeyman instead of seeing that a radical sect of their faith is teaching the same level of intolerance they decry in other religions.
Has nothing to do with Jesus, just the kind of people that use his name as a shield when they don't have the strength of soul to take a good look at themselves and the hypocracy that some of their flock spit without sense of consequence.
Intolerance and hate breed nothing but itself, and ignorance is the incubator.
Yeah, really. What WERE you talking about? It isn't about god. It isn't about Jesus. It's about people killing in the name of religion being wrong. Then, to make matters worse, the people who share the same religion seem content to bury their head in the sand about it and point the finger at another boogeyman instead of seeing that a radical sect of their faith is teaching the same level of intolerance they decry in other religions.
Has nothing to do with Jesus, just the kind of people that use his name as a shield when they don't have the strength of soul to take a good look at themselves and the hypocracy that some of their flock spit without sense of consequence.
Intolerance and hate breed nothing but itself, and ignorance is the incubator.
well now that El Conrado and I have destroyed all other arguments for him being a christian, this thread can now end
How many people have been murdered because of religion again? Oh...that's right, millions! Many nations are engaged in a religious war at this very moment.
It's the let's blame something else while never holding ourselves accountable for anything game. Somebody needs a History lesson.
It's the let's blame something else while never holding ourselves accountable for anything game. Somebody needs a History lesson.
@TheNephilym
"I wonder how many lives would have been spared over the years if we banned the bible..."
Probably less than those "saved" if we banned the works of the enlightment movement: you know Nietzsche, Freud, Darwin, Kierkegaard... the guys that inspired Mussolini, Stalin and yes, dear, dear Adolf.
Heck, let's start banning everything!
"I wonder how many lives would have been spared over the years if we banned the bible..."
Probably less than those "saved" if we banned the works of the enlightment movement: you know Nietzsche, Freud, Darwin, Kierkegaard... the guys that inspired Mussolini, Stalin and yes, dear, dear Adolf.
Heck, let's start banning everything!
Lets air drop Breivik, a ar-15, and a crate full of ammo (maybe some grenades too) right into the Australian Christian Lobby's HQ on a beautiful sunny sunday afternoon.
Also, his "manifesto" clearly comes from a diseased mind. Most Christians I know don't feel the same way he did...which, again, speaks to intolerance, hate and ignorance being the catalyst for stupid people doing stupid things in the name of their god of choice.
Unless Christians become bloody space marines fighting in the name of the God Emperor, they can suck my dick.
If they were I'd join them.
If they were I'd join them.
@HaVoK308
Someone isn't a student of history. More people have been killed in purges in countries with institutionalized atheism, like Stalinist Russia and Maoist China than have been killed in any other war or state. Think hundreds of millions, if memory serves. It puts to shame any number of what 'religion' does. Also, you might want to actually specify what religion you're talking about. They each teach radically different things and to simply lump them all together is an inductive fallacy.
Someone isn't a student of history. More people have been killed in purges in countries with institutionalized atheism, like Stalinist Russia and Maoist China than have been killed in any other war or state. Think hundreds of millions, if memory serves. It puts to shame any number of what 'religion' does. Also, you might want to actually specify what religion you're talking about. They each teach radically different things and to simply lump them all together is an inductive fallacy.
@El Conrado
What do they have to do with anything? Religion has costs people their lives. More so than video games. If something causing a person to kill means it should be banned then it would make more sense to start with the bible than with video games. I'm just using that idiot's logic. I'd rather nothing gets banned. People should be free to think and believe what they want.
What do they have to do with anything? Religion has costs people their lives. More so than video games. If something causing a person to kill means it should be banned then it would make more sense to start with the bible than with video games. I'm just using that idiot's logic. I'd rather nothing gets banned. People should be free to think and believe what they want.
HaVoK308
"How many people have been murdered because of religion again?"
How many have been murdered by [insert-motive-here] instead?
Saying this is just part of the scapegoating.
"How many people have been murdered because of religion again?"
How many have been murdered by [insert-motive-here] instead?
Saying this is just part of the scapegoating.
oh god im loving this thread, you people are getting destroyed one by one, keep it up!
your tears are delicious
your tears are delicious
He also listened to trance. Ban that sick filth! NAO!
@El Conrado
Yeah, that's true. By his definition, everyone raised in a western culture could be considered a Christian, if I remember correctly.
@El Conrado
Yeah, that's true. By his definition, everyone raised in a western culture could be considered a Christian, if I remember correctly.
TheNephilym
"What do they have to do with anything? Religion has costs people their lives."
Nothing, absolutelly nothing! Just like saying "religion kills people" means absolutely nothing.
MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED FOR THE RELIGION THEY FOLLOWED THAN BY PEOPLE FOLLOWING A RELIGION!
Read some history. Genocide has had many motives.
"What do they have to do with anything? Religion has costs people their lives."
Nothing, absolutelly nothing! Just like saying "religion kills people" means absolutely nothing.
MORE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED FOR THE RELIGION THEY FOLLOWED THAN BY PEOPLE FOLLOWING A RELIGION!
Read some history. Genocide has had many motives.
I second what Everyday Legend said.
El Conrado, I'm going to go on a limb and say that nobody here is actually advocating for banning the Bible, be they religious or not. They're pointing out that banning video games, when the man hid behind so-called Christianity, does nothing to stop the problem.
Banning violent video games doesn't make any sense. There are thousands of people who play them without incident, and instead people want to get rid of them due to a single madman?
El Conrado, I'm going to go on a limb and say that nobody here is actually advocating for banning the Bible, be they religious or not. They're pointing out that banning video games, when the man hid behind so-called Christianity, does nothing to stop the problem.
Banning violent video games doesn't make any sense. There are thousands of people who play them without incident, and instead people want to get rid of them due to a single madman?
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