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I think one of their main problems is that they didn't even consider focusing on software. They were too busy trying to do the whole multimedia center thing a la Xbox 360 and forgot that the main reason people buy a system is to play games. I guess they did make up some of their lost sales with people who just wanted Blu-Ray, though.
No one "just wanted Blu-Ray." Gamers are being passively railroaded (albiet unintentionally) into buying Blu-Ray discs because there aren't any games for their $600 movie player. I really really wanted to be able to justify getting a PS3, but they keep making it harder and harder. Let's hope that the utter lack of an installed base or library of titles doesn't hinder development, seeing as how those are both crucial in any system being able to stretch it's legs and push it's limits.
I haven't been railroaded into buying anything. I get all my Blu-ray hi-def content via Netflix. Why is a better quality movie a bad thing?
Summa, that's 6 of dozen there. For the lack of content in games, you're renting. Someone pays those licensing fees, so Sony gets paid either way.
You're not ducking that point by using the renting vs buying excuse.
If I had friends over to look at a potential PS3 I might own in some Bizarro World, they'd want to see the movies, and then they'd want to know what the games played like. I'd show them Motorstorm and then possibly Resistance. And then what? Who wants to see my avatar in Home?
(crickets)
You're not ducking that point by using the renting vs buying excuse.
If I had friends over to look at a potential PS3 I might own in some Bizarro World, they'd want to see the movies, and then they'd want to know what the games played like. I'd show them Motorstorm and then possibly Resistance. And then what? Who wants to see my avatar in Home?
(crickets)
This is the same problem the PSP had at first. As I said when I eventually got rid of mine - "I'm a gamer, I don't need to watch Spiderman 2 on the bus."
Nintendo are doing the same thing to a certain extent as well, focusing on all these channels that really don't offer gamers a heck of a lot. Nintendo, however, are at least working on a good deal of future titles.
Sony do like to go ahead with a "jack of all trades, master of none" philosophy, it seems.
Nintendo are doing the same thing to a certain extent as well, focusing on all these channels that really don't offer gamers a heck of a lot. Nintendo, however, are at least working on a good deal of future titles.
Sony do like to go ahead with a "jack of all trades, master of none" philosophy, it seems.
Yeah, well, Sony at least was able to dodge this on the PSP a lot longer by having a really good puzzle game on the console at launch. A good puzzler is critical to a handheld. Without Lumines, I doubt I'd have even bothered with the PSP.
I'm one of the people who just don't care if my game console can play movies. I think I popped a DVD into my PS2 one time, and that was to see what it looked like.
Focus on software is what they should have been doing from the start, but they convinced themselves that bluray and the Sony name alone would make PS3s fly off the shelves at launch.
Focus on software is what they should have been doing from the start, but they convinced themselves that bluray and the Sony name alone would make PS3s fly off the shelves at launch.
@Mxy
I totally agree. I just recently started using my 360 as a DVD player because I got sick of unplugging shit from the back of my TV, and my stereo doesn't support 1080i passthrough.
Prior to this, when I had a PS2, I had like 6 things that could play DVD's. why would I need more?
I totally agree. I just recently started using my 360 as a DVD player because I got sick of unplugging shit from the back of my TV, and my stereo doesn't support 1080i passthrough.
Prior to this, when I had a PS2, I had like 6 things that could play DVD's. why would I need more?
Sony's main problem right now is that they don't have any "system-seller" titles dropping in the near future. We all know how games get delayed, it's possible we won't see a new FF or MGS on the PS3 for a while. In the meantime the PS3's are collecting dust in the warehouses.
I actually think Sony's main problem is there aren't a lot of games for people who bought the PS3 to buy. Sure, there are games, but not many most would want to spend $60 on.
I don't think the loss in profits is due to the PS3 itself not selling well, since more PS3s sold would mean more that need to be manufactured, which would then mean more of a loss in profits. What they really need are better games so they can increase the money they make off of software per PS3 owner.
With that said, they obviously need to sell more PS3s to make sure developers make good games. However, I think too many people are attributing the profit loss to lack of PS3s sold. Unless you're Nintendo, you don't make money off of console sales, you make it off of software sales.
I don't think the loss in profits is due to the PS3 itself not selling well, since more PS3s sold would mean more that need to be manufactured, which would then mean more of a loss in profits. What they really need are better games so they can increase the money they make off of software per PS3 owner.
With that said, they obviously need to sell more PS3s to make sure developers make good games. However, I think too many people are attributing the profit loss to lack of PS3s sold. Unless you're Nintendo, you don't make money off of console sales, you make it off of software sales.
if they had ONE good game i would buy a PS3!
oh wait...
shit i bought a 3DO for more!!
and only for street Fighter!!
hahaha
that was stupid!
oh wait...
shit i bought a 3DO for more!!
and only for street Fighter!!
hahaha
that was stupid!
@ TheStripe: When I refer to some people "just wanting Blu-Ray," I was referring to sales made to non-gamers who wanted a $600 Blu-Ray player instead of the $1,000 players available at the time. I certainly don't think any (intelligent) gamers bought it simply because "Blu-Ray is next gen" or whatever ridiculous PR line Sony was spouting.
@ Dan Gale: I don't know about you, but I still haven't gotten tired of watching YouTube videos on my Wii on a TV screen. Otherwise, I agree.
@ Dan Gale: I don't know about you, but I still haven't gotten tired of watching YouTube videos on my Wii on a TV screen. Otherwise, I agree.
Yeah, Sony is fuckin' up right now but last year at this time, 360 was in the same boat. It had like, 2 solid titles and that was it. Then Fall rolled around and things picked up for it. This will be the same for the PS3. Just give it some time.
Drop the price on this $600 "most technically advanced machine on the market" AND come out with some must-have exclusives and they have something. Otherwise, I'm quite content with my 360 for $200 less, not to mention this "most technically advanced machine" has yet to show me anything much better than the 360. And no, movies don't count. I could care less.
600 million in profts, and the games division losses 1.9 billion. Hmm, we all know the PS3 is the cause of that. How much is actually because of the 5 months the PS3 was available to consumers? Even at 3million sold, lets say they lose $400 on each, thats only 1.2 billion lost... How'd they lose an extra .7 billion? Did they misplace it? Did Krazy Ken mail the drop the deposit in the mailbox instead of the bank? Where else are they bleeding from? What else were they losing money on? Perhaps it includes some R&D cost, or perhaps it includes some game building costs on games that havn't been released yet... I unno, but alot of money went somewhere o.o
I'm curious as to what Sony was expecting to lose on rolling out the PS3. They had to know they weren't expecting profit from selling it at a loss.
I'm curious as to what Sony was expecting to lose on rolling out the PS3. They had to know they weren't expecting profit from selling it at a loss.
The captain obvious tag is my favorite.
When I watch a movie on DVD I don't have a problem with the quality. I don't think we really need HD DVD or BluRay. Maybe just... not yet? I guess they both just want their foot in the door for when average consumer has a desire for it. If either company lets the other get a head start, they'll be the clear winner when the time is right, seeing as how there isn't much difference in perceived quality. ok
When I watch a movie on DVD I don't have a problem with the quality. I don't think we really need HD DVD or BluRay. Maybe just... not yet? I guess they both just want their foot in the door for when average consumer has a desire for it. If either company lets the other get a head start, they'll be the clear winner when the time is right, seeing as how there isn't much difference in perceived quality. ok
"It was not an ideal launch."
All along, Sony's been telling us how amazing their launch was. What else have they been spinning to us?
All along, Sony's been telling us how amazing their launch was. What else have they been spinning to us?
It's the price. Sony underestimated the competition. Loss of exclusive titles.
If you lower it (the price) people will come.
If you lower it (the price) people will come.
okay, so i buy the widescreen HDTV...buy the new fangled 360-HD-DVD player attachment...and i still have to watch the fucking movie w/black bars on the top and bottom? WTF!? Thanks a whole shitload widescreen edition movies.
I was all ready to buy a PS3 till they announced the price.
I see PS3's stacked high at Best Buy & Circuit City. No ones buying PS3.
It's mainly because of the expensive price, but also lack of good games, arrogance from sony that insults gamers and word of mouth labeling it the loser system to own.
I see PS3's stacked high at Best Buy & Circuit City. No ones buying PS3.
It's mainly because of the expensive price, but also lack of good games, arrogance from sony that insults gamers and word of mouth labeling it the loser system to own.
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