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At least the military tried to staple the aircrafts as weather balloons, these guys aren't even giving a crappy reason. One has some sort of semblance of a reason to call people accusing them crazy.
I'm sure I probably would have been more upset about this whole thing if I still traded in my games.
I have to agree with the first 2 comments here. This should never have happened in the first place. I can't recall ever seeing a furniture or car company use any sort of tactic or mechanism to prevent something from being sold used. Same goes for books and movies.
Why do these companies think they're so special?
Why do these companies think they're so special?
I don't get why all the fuss with Reaident Evil.
I recall another 3DS or DS game did this as well. I'll look into it.
I recall another 3DS or DS game did this as well. I'll look into it.
I'm still a little confused. Was there massive internet outrage over the other games that also used a single save? Did people yell and scream at Sega?
I'm with HEL105 up there. This doesn't bother me because there is no value in used games, or trades, and I don't know if there will ever be again. Not in my part of tthe world anyway.
http://3ds.nintendolife.com/news/2011/07/sega_aksys_and_konami_all_use_permanent_3ds_save_data_too
Just so Capcom isn't the only one being told to go fuck themselves.
Just so Capcom isn't the only one being told to go fuck themselves.
Eh. If there was no vicious reasoning behind the decision then they could have come out and told us why you only get the one save. Everybody understands technical limitations, there's no reason for them to keep anything like that secret. The fact that they've remained so quiet on the details just tells me that the game was made this way by choice, to fuck up trade-ins/second hand buyers. It's the only explanation for both why it would be there and why Capcom wouldn't want to discuss specifics.
I'm also not surprised that they won't be trying it again, although I think that more has to do with the nature of Mercenaries than anything. The style of the gameplay and the length/amount of content makes it a strong candidate for trading in not all that long after release and it's a game that I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't want to buy new but would happily spend £15 on second hand. It's easy to see why Capcom would take unusually stiff action against second hand sales with this particular title. They won't do it in future because there's a good chance that other games they release in future won't need it. Take the next RE game, Revelations. Apparently a full RE game, that is going to be picked up new by many more people and people will probably spend a little more time with it before trading it in too. No need for Capcom to fear the dreaded preowned bargain bin as much.
I'm also not surprised that they won't be trying it again, although I think that more has to do with the nature of Mercenaries than anything. The style of the gameplay and the length/amount of content makes it a strong candidate for trading in not all that long after release and it's a game that I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't want to buy new but would happily spend £15 on second hand. It's easy to see why Capcom would take unusually stiff action against second hand sales with this particular title. They won't do it in future because there's a good chance that other games they release in future won't need it. Take the next RE game, Revelations. Apparently a full RE game, that is going to be picked up new by many more people and people will probably spend a little more time with it before trading it in too. No need for Capcom to fear the dreaded preowned bargain bin as much.
Also with capcom deciding no more of this and changing the SF4A DRM.
It looks like they'll listen to complaints from the communiy. Had we known about this 1 save earlier they probably would have changed it.
It looks like they'll listen to complaints from the communiy. Had we known about this 1 save earlier they probably would have changed it.
So why, Capcom? Why restrict RE: Mercenaries? If these "conspiracy theorists" are wrong, why go out of the way of tradition (i.e. being able to delete stuff)? I am absolutely out of ideas regarding the rational for choosing it, save for the reason you have outright denied.
I am not even trolling, I really am listening. The fact that you are announcing that this fiasco is unlikely to happen again only CONFIRMS the fact that you were trying to get away with the reason suggested by "conspiracy theorists" that you have adamantly disagreed with. Give us a short and simple, VALID reason and I'll be the first in line in defending your cause. I'll evangelize the good word, preach the virtues of single-save games in impoverished neighborhoods and slap the fuck out of naysayers.
Just please, give us a good reason.
I am not even trolling, I really am listening. The fact that you are announcing that this fiasco is unlikely to happen again only CONFIRMS the fact that you were trying to get away with the reason suggested by "conspiracy theorists" that you have adamantly disagreed with. Give us a short and simple, VALID reason and I'll be the first in line in defending your cause. I'll evangelize the good word, preach the virtues of single-save games in impoverished neighborhoods and slap the fuck out of naysayers.
Just please, give us a good reason.
@EDS
People have tried it. Garth Brooks tried to refuse to sell his CDs to retailers who sold used.
You just rarely hear about it because it hardly works.
People have tried it. Garth Brooks tried to refuse to sell his CDs to retailers who sold used.
You just rarely hear about it because it hardly works.
Also, I'll ask again:
Has anyone on the entire Internet tried ripping out their cartridge while saving, to forcibly corrupt the data?
Has anyone on the entire Internet tried ripping out their cartridge while saving, to forcibly corrupt the data?
1. I don't believe them.
2. This won't stop me from buying Capcom's games used in the future. Their recent behavior (broken online for MVC3, half-assing this Mercenaries game, holding Mega Man Legends 3 hostage) has been consistently terrible and makes me not want to give them any money.
2. This won't stop me from buying Capcom's games used in the future. Their recent behavior (broken online for MVC3, half-assing this Mercenaries game, holding Mega Man Legends 3 hostage) has been consistently terrible and makes me not want to give them any money.
@mattrodroid
Saves can be deleted in EBA, by holding A-B-X-Y-L-R at the start of the game.
It's working that way for a lot of 1st party DS games.
Saves can be deleted in EBA, by holding A-B-X-Y-L-R at the start of the game.
It's working that way for a lot of 1st party DS games.
At least Capcom seems to listen to backlash. There was that DRM stuff with SF4AE PC they (sort of) addressed too.
@pokota
No, no journalistic crusade against Sega here. Just a ton of Super Monkey Ball 3D advertisements.
No, no journalistic crusade against Sega here. Just a ton of Super Monkey Ball 3D advertisements.
It is a bit disappointing and quite a bit shady.
The implication being that the cart did not have any EEPROM only the ROM for the game in which it saved the files. The only two reasons for this could be.
1) It was to save a nominal amount of money in production (pennies per cart) and if so one is forced to ask why then did the game not use the 3DS system memory/card for said save files?
2) It was a (now failed) experiment in thwarting second hand sales.
I'd like to think that it was option #1 and that their developers are just ZOMGWTFBBQ inept.... but with their track record they have not earned the benefit of the doubt.
The implication being that the cart did not have any EEPROM only the ROM for the game in which it saved the files. The only two reasons for this could be.
1) It was to save a nominal amount of money in production (pennies per cart) and if so one is forced to ask why then did the game not use the 3DS system memory/card for said save files?
2) It was a (now failed) experiment in thwarting second hand sales.
I'd like to think that it was option #1 and that their developers are just ZOMGWTFBBQ inept.... but with their track record they have not earned the benefit of the doubt.
It's funny because BlazBlue 3DS did this as well as very little people seem to care. Well whatever, I don't mind with either game really. I still don't think it's a good idea though.
I'm confused as to why everyone is overlooking the fact that SEGA and Konami do this too. Also it was pointed out that Blaz Blue has a permanent save feature.
Someone explain the difference between the other companies doing this can Capcom.
Someone explain the difference between the other companies doing this can Capcom.
It isn't like Capcom is the first company that has tried to restrict saving.
Someone else already linked to the article that lists Super Monkey Ball 3D, Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D and BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 as games that do the same. The only difference is that no one seemed to care when those titles did it.
If you want to go back to previous systems, we've had other silly save game mechanics, like locking saves to a memory card or system. Yes, you could delete them, but you couldn't copy or move them. While it is commonplace today (due to achievements and trophies on the 360 and PS3, and due to Nintendo's poorly implemented Friends code system requiring online capable Wii games to have locked saves), it happened before these systems/situations as well.
Someone else already linked to the article that lists Super Monkey Ball 3D, Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D and BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 as games that do the same. The only difference is that no one seemed to care when those titles did it.
If you want to go back to previous systems, we've had other silly save game mechanics, like locking saves to a memory card or system. Yes, you could delete them, but you couldn't copy or move them. While it is commonplace today (due to achievements and trophies on the 360 and PS3, and due to Nintendo's poorly implemented Friends code system requiring online capable Wii games to have locked saves), it happened before these systems/situations as well.
@Scuffles
In my opinion, the most likely reason is that they figured people just didn't care, based on the nature of the game, that the fact that this aspect had already been accepted by the gaming community at large.
How can this possibly be an attack on the second hand market when other games that used this feature are SELLING on the second hand market? Could someone please explain that to me?
In my opinion, the most likely reason is that they figured people just didn't care, based on the nature of the game, that the fact that this aspect had already been accepted by the gaming community at large.
How can this possibly be an attack on the second hand market when other games that used this feature are SELLING on the second hand market? Could someone please explain that to me?
@Baines - At least for copy-prohibited games you could understand the rationale from a rationale that concerns achievements/trophies or simply distributing lvl 99 games saves to other people who have barely played said game.
@pokota - Correct me if I understood wrong, but while some people seem to be perfectly fine with it (you, for instance), it's hardly "accepted by the gaming community at large" especially if Capcom themselves acknowledge that people are being really vocal about it.
Also, aside from the suggestions by Scuffles, I'm hard pressed to find any other reason (hence my previous post). If this "feature" proves to be of no impact to its selling power in the second hand market, then we are again lacking a sound motivation for Capcom pushing through with that.
@pokota - Correct me if I understood wrong, but while some people seem to be perfectly fine with it (you, for instance), it's hardly "accepted by the gaming community at large" especially if Capcom themselves acknowledge that people are being really vocal about it.
Also, aside from the suggestions by Scuffles, I'm hard pressed to find any other reason (hence my previous post). If this "feature" proves to be of no impact to its selling power in the second hand market, then we are again lacking a sound motivation for Capcom pushing through with that.
@lewness
Are you saying there were massive complaints about the previous games? If so, then I'm wrong, and must have missed that. If there were not, then wouldn't that be a sign that it was accepted? I don't really understand what you're saying; the complaints NOW could not have influenced Capcom before the game was even released.
Are you saying there were massive complaints about the previous games? If so, then I'm wrong, and must have missed that. If there were not, then wouldn't that be a sign that it was accepted? I don't really understand what you're saying; the complaints NOW could not have influenced Capcom before the game was even released.
They were testing the market. If people DIDN'T flip out, it would be the new standard. I'm not surprised they tried to do this, and they had to expect this kind of backlash.
@pokota - Complaints for previous games? I really don't know. Honestly, I do find it strange that people are complaining about it only now when it seems that this was not the first game that had it. I have no game in my collection like that (I think). Well, they don't seem to like it now.
Perhaps there really are people who just jump on the bandwagon and just shout whatever the guy next to him blurts out. But allow me to emphasize that I do belong to the group of people who really wished RE: Mercenaries (or any game, for that matter) didn't have a single save data that couldn't be erased.
Perhaps there really are people who just jump on the bandwagon and just shout whatever the guy next to him blurts out. But allow me to emphasize that I do belong to the group of people who really wished RE: Mercenaries (or any game, for that matter) didn't have a single save data that couldn't be erased.
@Magnalon:
I would try this, but then I would need a method to corrupt whatever backups it generates too. If you know how, you can use a certain duplicitous method involving either a third-party USB dongle or a DS Lite and a nail file to have your way with the save data, but I don't know the details.
I would try this, but then I would need a method to corrupt whatever backups it generates too. If you know how, you can use a certain duplicitous method involving either a third-party USB dongle or a DS Lite and a nail file to have your way with the save data, but I don't know the details.
@lewness
I can't remember any other games that have the permanent one save file feature off the top of my head. What games out there did the same thing?
I can't remember any other games that have the permanent one save file feature off the top of my head. What games out there did the same thing?
@lewness
I have no problem with people telling publishers and developers what they dislike. It's what consumers should do. If someone doesn't like the methods a developer used, then they should absolutely not buy the game, and explain to the developer why they aren't buying the game. However, some of the internet rage over this has been downright juvenile. The claim that this was done to destroy the used gaming market makes very little sense, as does the fact that people are barbecuing only Capcom for something that other companies have done previously.
I have no problem with people telling publishers and developers what they dislike. It's what consumers should do. If someone doesn't like the methods a developer used, then they should absolutely not buy the game, and explain to the developer why they aren't buying the game. However, some of the internet rage over this has been downright juvenile. The claim that this was done to destroy the used gaming market makes very little sense, as does the fact that people are barbecuing only Capcom for something that other companies have done previously.
I think Capcom's biggest problem was writing it in the manual. I know BlazBlue doesn't tell you anywhere you can't delete save data. I've not played Super Monkey Ball or Pro Evo Soccer, so I don't know about them.
Chances are, if the manual hadn't've said anything, I think most people wouldn't have noticed. I know I wouldn't have. I will never have a reason to delete save data in this game.
Chances are, if the manual hadn't've said anything, I think most people wouldn't have noticed. I know I wouldn't have. I will never have a reason to delete save data in this game.
Fucking morons calling people conspiracy theorists. Why don't they just shut the fuck up & stop digging themselves an even deeper hole.
If only Nintendo of America was capable of performing a 180 like that and undoing a small amount of their bad PR.
@pokota
This may not be the first game that has done this, but it's not the fault of the gaming public that it wasn't picked up & reported on by the media. The voice of a few thousand disgruntled gamers means nothing compared to all the gaming websites. I didn't know about the other games because I've never played them.
This may not be the first game that has done this, but it's not the fault of the gaming public that it wasn't picked up & reported on by the media. The voice of a few thousand disgruntled gamers means nothing compared to all the gaming websites. I didn't know about the other games because I've never played them.
@Ace829 - Baines just mentioned a bunch. I don't have these games (yet?) to verify but I checked around for Super Monkey Ball and they seem to do have it.
@pokota - Fair enough. The only reason I can think of right now why Capcom is taking most of the heat is that a.) They're Capcom, they're (relatively) huge and b.) It's Resident Evil, also (relatively) huge. Oh, oh, and c.) They admitted it right away (unless I missed that of the others?).
I, for one, am not aware that there have been others before it and now my disappointment has spread to these developers as well. I may give in if it was a game that I really liked but the current games with this thing, I currently can live without.
@pokota - Fair enough. The only reason I can think of right now why Capcom is taking most of the heat is that a.) They're Capcom, they're (relatively) huge and b.) It's Resident Evil, also (relatively) huge. Oh, oh, and c.) They admitted it right away (unless I missed that of the others?).
I, for one, am not aware that there have been others before it and now my disappointment has spread to these developers as well. I may give in if it was a game that I really liked but the current games with this thing, I currently can live without.
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