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Capcom thinks RE5 DLC complaints are 'BS' photo

Capcom has heard that some of you don't like the idea of paying extra cash for a versus mode in Resident Evil 5, and Capcom is angry. Labeling the recent complaints about Resident Evil 5's upcoming DLC "BS," publisher bigwig Christian Svensson refuted the fans, stopping just short of calling them hypocrites.

"This is the part where I get to say "BS"," he remarked, battling those who feel shortchanged. "RE5 is well worth every penny of $60. A huge game, with tons of replay value, loads of unlockables, new weapons, co-op, mercenaries mode, etc. If any game warrants its price point, it's RE5.

"Prior to the announcement of the Versus mode, no one complained they weren't getting their money's worth with the initial release because it packs TONS of value because it is an amazing game. So if people were already satisfied with what the package had, when we offer MORE, why is it people feel they've been somehow cheated? If you don't find value in our secondary offerings, the choice is simple, don't purchase it. If you do find it valueable (and we hope you do) please do buy it and enjoy it."

Svennson went on to defend the DLC by explaining that it had its own budget, regardless of whether or not the content was developed alongside the retail version of the game. This, he believes, justifies Capcom's decision to include a versus mode as DLC and not include it with the game. 

Personally, I worry about a slippery slope with Capcom. Mega Man 9 caused its own controversy with some rather questionable DLC that included extra difficulty levels, of all things. I respect Capcom a lot, and simply hope that lazy DLC isn't in its future. I like RE5 and don't regret spending the money I spent, but I hope that holding back modes you'd expect to see already shipped with a game doesn't became a trend for the publisher. That would most definitely be "BS."


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sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:06
sickNasty
That attitude from Capcom really pisses me off.

It is a slippery slope, as I talked about in my post this weekend.

Companies will have no motivation to include multiplayer modes if this crap succeeds. They can just charge you for it post release.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:07
PappaDukes
The game is phraking short, so I would definitely consider paying for DLC that included new missions. Maybe expand the story even further, or delve a little deeper.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:14
Haxan
I was on the fence about whether or not I would buy versus mode. I should thank him for pushing me off of it. You aren't getting this guy's five bucks, you smug so-and-so.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:14
mix
All I know is 4 player stop and shoot versus for $5 sounds....iffy at best

Plus, I actually shat my pants and almost DIDNT BUY Re5 as it's $69.99 CANADIAN and I shopped around. Why the hell do they think they can charge an extra $10 for the game? The only other game I saw at this price point was that Tom Clany HAWX game....thats a quarter short of being an $80 game after taxes!!

I had to use a bunch of Rogers points to get $20 off and the game was still $56. If I didn't have the points I can honestly say that I would not have bought the game and would have waited for a price drop.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:18
Chronic Logic
Did they intentionally left out versus mode during development of the game? If so than they're pretty dickish. Also, vs mode doesn't seem appealing at all. Most of the game modes can be found on L4D or GoW which are much better. Also, do you want to stop and shoot, or run and gun? Less annoying yea?
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:21
pascuz46
Hmmm let see why people are mad Capcom, oh I dunno cause your trying to fuck us over for a half assed after thought multiplayer. Capcom give me a reason to spend the 5 bucks to buy your multiplayer add-on, when there are other games out there that have superior multiplayer components. Anyways in terms of the best example of a game worth the 60 bucks I would say Resistance 2. You get a ton of stuff for 60 bucks.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:23
vexed alex
Considering Gears of War had most of that and more, I'd say Capcom can kiss all ass.

But I really don't care. I'm just here to tell you all how much I disapprove of their ridiculous attitude. I'm not planning on buying this game 'till it's marked down $30 to $40.
Solgrim's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:24
Solgrim
Well, thanks to the "downloadable" costumes in SFIV, I have paid almost 100 bucks for SFIV. I love the game though. Complaining on my part isn't going to help as long as I still buy it. It is there product and they have the right to distribute it the way they see fit. I don't think anyone who actually buys it should complain.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:26
vexed alex
Here's a solution. Give us the multiplayer for free and add new content to it later. Feel free to charge for that. Let us actually get a feel for the fucking multiplayer before we blindly jump into what already sounds shitty.

Seriously, a vs mode for Resident Evil? That sounds like the dumbest thing ever.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:27
SephirothX
...no one complained they weren't getting their money's worth with the initial release...

*Raises hand*

I have!!!
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:27
Dexter345
I don't disagree with him that RE5 is worth the $60 price tag. But adding a versus mode and charging for it, that is what has people up in arms. I will certainly not buy it.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:28
Holyetheline
I think he's right.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:30
Mushman
RE controls in an online arena are dogshit anyway, stop and shoot EVERY single time you want to hit another player??? Fuck that. Also, the possiblites for camping are quite apparent, all one need to do is find a good spot and aim for heads, it's not like you'll be hitting fast moving targets, fellow players will be standing still, every single time, when shooting for chrissakes.

On top of that, why should we pay for a mode that was introduced years ago? Is DM new? Nope.

I'll just go back to KZ2, a game that has infinitely better MP, and is included on the disc.
sickNasty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:31
sickNasty
Yeah think of recent blockbuster games like Halo 3, Killzone 2, The Orange Box, Gears of War 2, Far Cry 2.

Think of all the modes and features they included with the retail disc.

That Capcom guy has a lot of nerve saying that this crap is justified.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:31
GuitarAtomik
Well, I think the big question is whether or not it's just an unlock key. If it isn't, then I think his point is completely valid. If not...then that's just a little shady. I guess we'll have to wait until it's released before we know for sure.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:32
DinnertimeNinja
Is this the same excuse they made for the SFIV costume DLC?

"Uh, SFIV is already a great value so anything beyond that we can charge for."

Total bullshit.

And their old argument "Vs has never been in a RE before." is ridiculous at best. By this logic, nothing new should ever be added to sequels unless it's through DLC.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:32
Shin Oni
...didn't they say that versus was its own mode to begin with?

granted if this is already on the disc to begin with, then that's a problem. But for some reason this won't really be all that fun if we're all just gonna be running around, stopping, aiming, TRYING to hit the person. If anything, I find this turning into a sniping versus. hide, and wait for the idiot to go out into the open.

to add to this, I don't understand why Resident Evil needs a versus to begin with. as for Capcom and their DLC route...it's a shitty choice to have things locked up that are already in the game. It really is things like this that will turn people off after awhile. Especially if we have to pay for crazy prices. GRANTED this isn't a high price to begin with.

I personally think Mercenaries was fine enough. All they needed to do would be add in other characters to mercs, POSSIBLY other stages to play on, and a few tweaks (like being able to switch the position of where the weapons/items are before you start the mode.)
eskimo bob's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:33
eskimo bob
Capcom is seemingly unfortunately jumping on the DLC bandwagon. :'(
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:37
grafkhun
Actually Capcom, this versus mode thing is BS, not our complaints.
moocow21's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:39
moocow21
Ahh Capcom, making my decision not to purchase RE5 easier every day. Now I'm almost certain I'll just rent it and not even buy it at < $30.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:42
TheDreadHawk
At first I was like :| but then I facepalmed.
Zantetsuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:42
Zantetsuken
No, fuck you Capcom, this is total BS.

If you are expecting people to place a large amount of money down for a game, the least you could do is make it complete when we purchase it.

Companies only get away with it because people keep buying it, also, im sick of hearing "if you don't like it then don't buy it". I remember when things like multiplayer, extra costumes, maps etc were included on the disk and I didn't have to fork a fortune just to unlock things already there and available on the disk.

I don't mind paying for extra missions and bonus content (like the new GTA expansion) but you know companies abuse it when stuff like this happens.


And fuck companies who announce dlc before the game is released, why couldn't you have put it on the disk.

/rant.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:44
Shin Oni
what i'm also lost on is why we're in the wrong for voicing about the DLC rampage going on...

if you want my damn money, you'd wise up and actually make DLC something that should actually be a add on. Not a unlock key or a "oops. not done in time" DLC.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:53
ArrestedDeveloper
All I can say is people that are interested in multiplayer in an RE game deserve whats coming to them.
elsteveo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:53
elsteveo
The sad thing is capcom WILL make money off this DLC.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 15:58
mix
I'm heard that we all downloaded the Versus mode in that 30mb patch released on DAY one and they want us to pay $5 to gain access to it.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:01
Kyousuke Nanbu
Looks like Capcom knows they got some of the year's biggest games and feel they can do these dick moves with no trouble.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:01
Cowboy TTop
I think Capcom do have a point, and to tell the truth, us gamers can be ungrateful buggers sometimes. Would be nice if all DLC was free, but especially in todays climate, this won't be so.

Kudos to free DLC (Criterion), but some of it should be paid for. I really think the japanese developers are the ones who don't seem to know as much, or are finding this new sector of the industry difficult. This is why we've had problems before. For western developers, there's no excuse to get it wrong really, since the PC was always a great testing ground for DLC/demos etc. In the end, more japanese devs will have to get used to DLC and doing achievements better.

When we get free DLC, we never ask that question, should this have been on the game disc? We download and enjoy. This RE5 mode is optional, you don't have to buy it, if you don't want it, so where's the problem. 400 points isn't that bad, especially next to the like of Braid.

Buy or not, its up to you. Its still a games industry, spoilt fuckers, and money has to be made. Not all Burnout DLC is free either, no one complains about that.

As for on or off the disk, I'd rather have it on the disk, than sitting on my hard drive.
ninjikiran's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:12
ninjikiran
The entire inclusion of "DLC" has imo ruined the way games are released. Once we got a full packaged game, with everything they ever wanted to put in the game because there were no such thing as "patches" or "DLC".

Than came the invention of DLC, which by nature should be awesome. More content to what is already a full featured game. Sure you might have to buy it but it would be a good extension on the game. This is the theory us gamers have or had about DLC, unfortunately it took a spin for the worst. Most DLC is content that we would usually get on the game disc for free, like costumes and game modes. Granted some games came out with a special edition and they might of added some costumes or game modes but at the very least that is a special edition of the game and they had the time to add this stuff in between rather then make it for the games launch.

Really, the only purpose of DLC is to charge more for the game. It is very rare when DLC is actually worth while. (I think the fallout 3 expansion is a good peice of DLC, it adds an entire new way to play). One game which I can defend its slueth of DLC though is burnout paradise. While there are alot of things to get, much of it came out after the games release developed as an afterthought rather than something they left out of the game. As for this resident evil DLC.... lol you have to pay for a mode that should of been released with the game if it was ever in development. Really, for that they should of gave us no versus mode. Most people paying $5 will end up disappointed since I doubt it will be heavily played especially after a while.
EvilCheerio's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:13
EvilCheerio
I Personally think that he's the one BSing, the only reason they can get away with it as much as they have is because people didn't expect a multiplayer version with RE5. But to take the attitude that there wasn't room in the budget is just lazy, especially with how good other games strive to be. They knew they wanted a versus mode and knew they were going to charge people for it, and unless it was a complete overhaul of the combat system, i can't imagine it being so good that they couldn't put it in with the main game.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:14
AngelsDontBurn
I can't believe they'd call it "BS". I actually find that pretty amusing. Who in their right mind would think it would be okay to charge for this content? I used to hold Capcom so high at one point, but as of late they're really starting to let me down. The Mega Man 9 content, SF IV content and now this. It's stupid really. They don't need to charge for it. I think the most irritating part is the fact that this isn't DLC we find out about later in the games release, it's usually RIGHT when the game comes out or even before that. That makes it even more retarded. You'd think they wait a bit longer to attempt to "surprise" the fanbase.
Zantetsuken's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:15
Zantetsuken
Do you really enjoy being nickel and dimed like this?


Well, you can pay extra to unlock stuff already on the disk if you want - but its only going to get worse.
StriderS's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:16
StriderS
I can't be mad at Capcom. I can, however, complain for the sake of complaining.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:23
AngelsDontBurn
At least it's for the Multiplayer content. That's the best part. I don't understand why anyone would want RE5 versus. Lol. That sounds.. Bad.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:30
Mushman
@Cowboy TTop

Are we ungrateful 'spoilt fuckers' for demanding to know why we are paying for a mode that, frankly, has been around since Quake??

This is NOT a new, revolutionary multiplayer mode, this is Deathmatch, a mode that has been in games for years, when did you have to pay for DM of all things???

'This RE5 mode is optional, you don't have to buy it, if you don't want it, so where's the problem'

The problem is that if they can get away with this, what's to stop them, in the future, charging to finish a game? Namco did with Katamaracy on the 360.

Charging for extra costumes, ones that can be easily put on the disk, NOT free of charge? Capcom did this with SF4, and that was a full price game to begin with. Granted, they are optional, buy why pay for them, could'nt the developer have easily put them on the disk, remember when costumes in fighting games used to be free?

Hell, Megaman 9 had DLC for DIFFICULTY levels, difficuly levels for god's sake, and that was also made by capcom.

I'm sorry, but your point about jap devs holds no water, there are more than enough western people working on capcom games these days, people that understand western gamers and what DLC is, or rather should be.

Indeed, the game industry needs to make money, but by nickel and diming the very people who support that industry, is a terrible, and probably disasterous, way to do it.

If RE5 was cheaper, then this would'nt be a problem, but it's not, it's an expensive game, multi should be free.
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:31
comradetrotskii
Leaving aside the actual DLC for a minute what I see here is someone making a complete asshat of himself by accusing fans of his company of peddling 'BS'. Presumably he missed the seminar on good public relations because being an arrogant fuckwit to people who are passionate about your product isn't really a particularly good idea (see: Nintendo, Sony). When you've achieved the station in life of VP of Business Development & Strategic Planning you'd think that you would have some sort of clue about when to open your mouth and what to not spew out of it.

Anyway, fuck you. I'm not buying your half-arsed multiplayer mode.
Narishma's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 16:36
Narishma
Meh. As far as I'm concerned, no game is worth $60. I only buy them when they are $30 or less. The only exception I can think of is the Orange Box, but it had 3 games in it. Also I never buy DLC.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:03
vexed alex
To some extent I also think gamers are overreacting to the way DLC has been working. Now suddenly everyone believes that any DLC content no matter how far from launch it is being released should have been in the game.

Please note that content has been cut from games due to time and before consoles had internet access, that content would never have been released. So now you're given the option of at least buying it later on. Games have always technically been "incomplete".

I still believe that charging for multiplayer is bullshit though, and I stand by what I have said.
Malovane's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:06
Malovane
He himself is so full of bs. If they're going to break the game content apart into component pieces, why not do that with the campaign as well. $5 for every chapter of the game. $5 for mercenaries mode. $5 for multiplayer. Every piece of content has its own budget and profit analysis, right?

Guess they didn't go this far because with that kind of breakdown RE5 is only worth $40.

If you develop and release content at the same time, it should be packaged together. If its truly post production development, like Lost and the Damned or the Fallout 3 content, then its expected to be an additional cost. So far all of Capcom's DLC is stuff that could have and should have been packaged with the core game. None of it is post production development that actually extends the lifespan of their game. Its all just horse armor.

Between this, the Megaman 9 bs, and the SF4 costume packs, Capcom seems pretty clearly set on milking the player with as many additional fees as possible.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:29
Sharpless
I'm sorry, but if Valve can offer up absolutely free DLC (which most certainly includes new game modes, and much more) for both Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2, then Capcom has no damn room to defend itself. Whine all you want, big-wigs, but you're full of shit, not us. If you're going to offer DLC, make it interesting, hefty, and not something simple that could've easily been included in the original game.
KainX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:31
KainX
beat it capcom.
looks like i can add your company to the
'buy used only' list of mine, just to strip you of your profits. you rip us off, we rip you off.

i have one rule in life, 'treat others how you want to be treated'
Bacchus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:38
Bacchus
I emailed Capcom about the nickel and dime nature of their recent DLC offerings. I told them I was a long time fan but am becoming frustrated with their products because of this issue. Specifically, I cited the SF4 costume packs, and RE5 multiplayer.

Here is the response I got.

"We are sorry to hear that you do not like the fact that we charge for the content that is available for our games. Understand that the costume packs for SFIV are completely optionally and have no affect on the overall gameplay. The same goes for Resident Evil 5, versus mode is an optional feature that is not necessary for the Resident Evil experience. It is not uncommon to charge for extra content in video games, many companies do it. If you are not interested in purchasing the downloadable content by all means don't. The revenue generated from this is used to fund other projects we are working on."
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:57
TrailerParkJesus
Thanks Capcom. Now I'll feel less guilty for buying your games used. All of your games.

No profit for you! Next!
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:58
Cowboy TTop
You say Megaman had DLC for difficulty, I would have loved that for speed settings on SFIV.

The reason I use the 'spoilt fuckers' is because we are to a degree, we gamers, like other kinds of fans are a fickle bunch, and hard to please at times. I've been a gamer for many years and I can admit, I too am or have been guilty of this. Its optional DLC. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT.

The SFIV costume packs I think should have been free, as they are purely cosmetic. RE5 mode, on top of what's already accessible, I have no problem getting for 400 points, as I don't expect everything to be free. More RE5 for me.

Like I said, Capcom are new to these kinds of DLC practices. If you disagree with their pricing, perhaps you should email them and let them know, what you would/wouldn't pay for DLC. That's what Capcom Unity is for, so go there and complain on their forums if you want to change things.

As for their PR guy, I guess he's tired of gamers, no surprise after:
RE5 is racist
RE5's controls are wrong, and should be more like FPS games.
And now this, the Svensson dude must be tired of us bitching.

Anyway, glad to see the sales of RE5 are still sweet, and its number one in the U.K too.
comradetrotskii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 17:58
comradetrotskii
"We are sorry to hear that you do not like the fact that we charge for the content that is available for our games. Understand that the costume packs for SFIV are completely optionally and have no affect on the overall gameplay. The same goes for Resident Evil 5, versus mode is an optional feature that is not necessary for the Resident Evil experience. It is not uncommon to charge for extra content in video games, many companies do it. If you are not interested in purchasing the downloadable content by all means don't. The revenue generated from this is used to fund paying black prostitutes to wear traditional native dress while we snort cocaine from their asscracks"
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 18:16
Gen Eric Gui
I like how people are still complaining about the Megaman 9 difficulty levels, despite the fact that they were fairly massive additions to the game that would have made the original download a hell of a lot bigger. Hero and Superhero modes were good DLC, stop fucking complaining about it.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 18:19
Rosseh
He's right. If you don't like it, don't buy it. After all they are a business and they will look for ways to make money, testing different methods. What matters to them are figures. There's no point throwing a tantrum until you're red in the face, if people don't bite they will abandon an idea but if people do then it's not their fault for making money. Blame the market.
teh KangrejoMan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 18:25
teh KangrejoMan
if i already have paid for being "gold" in xbox live arcade, an gain access to play onlin, why should i pay AGAIN for play online AGAIN...

i cannot see the logic behind this
Poopface Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 18:30
Poopface Morty
The more gaming companies continue to piss off the consumers, the smaller chance they have of me purchasing their product. So far, they haven't let me down.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/16/2009 18:39
Magnalon
People are QQing for no reason.

Sure, DLC in general sucks; it's all sleazy. While Capcom's "tons of companies do this" reasoning is bullshit, it's true; what makes Capcom so special? This is the market now. It sucks, but we have to deal with it.

Player versus Player seems shitty (Survivors, due to stop and shoot), but the Player versus Player versus Enemies sounds enticing (Slayers). It's like 4 player Mercs.

And to the MM9 bitchers; that game was $10. Remember how much Mega Mans were on the NES, SNES, and PSX? Oh wait; I gladly paid $50 for them. You get the complete MM9 package for $20 and it has MORE content than any other Mega Man ever made (sans Powered up). So what the hell is the problem? "It's because it's old"? That's the point! It's a retro game; something that's hardly done nowadays and is easily worth $20. It was meant to cater to hardcore retro gamers, not penny-pinching casuals.
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