Capcom has heard that some of you don't like the idea of paying extra cash for a versus mode in Resident Evil 5, and Capcom is angry. Labeling the recent complaints about Resident Evil 5's upcoming DLC "BS," publisher bigwig Christian Svensson refuted the fans, stopping just short of calling them hypocrites.
"This is the part where I get to say "BS"," he remarked, battling those who feel shortchanged. "RE5 is well worth every penny of $60. A huge game, with tons of replay value, loads of unlockables, new weapons, co-op, mercenaries mode, etc. If any game warrants its price point, it's RE5.
"Prior to the announcement of the Versus mode, no one complained they weren't getting their money's worth with the initial release because it packs TONS of value because it is an amazing game. So if people were already satisfied with what the package had, when we offer MORE, why is it people feel they've been somehow cheated? If you don't find value in our secondary offerings, the choice is simple, don't purchase it. If you do find it valueable (and we hope you do) please do buy it and enjoy it."
Svennson went on to defend the DLC by explaining that it had its own budget, regardless of whether or not the content was developed alongside the retail version of the game. This, he believes, justifies Capcom's decision to include a versus mode as DLC and not include it with the game.
Personally, I worry about a slippery slope with Capcom. Mega Man 9 caused its own controversy with some rather questionable DLC that included extra difficulty levels, of all things. I respect Capcom a lot, and simply hope that lazy DLC isn't in its future. I like RE5 and don't regret spending the money I spent, but I hope that holding back modes you'd expect to see already shipped with a game doesn't became a trend for the publisher. That would most definitely be "BS."
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3:00 PM on 03.16.2009
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It is a slippery slope, as I talked about in my post this weekend.
Companies will have no motivation to include multiplayer modes if this crap succeeds. They can just charge you for it post release.
Plus, I actually shat my pants and almost DIDNT BUY Re5 as it's $69.99 CANADIAN and I shopped around. Why the hell do they think they can charge an extra $10 for the game? The only other game I saw at this price point was that Tom Clany HAWX game....thats a quarter short of being an $80 game after taxes!!
I had to use a bunch of Rogers points to get $20 off and the game was still $56. If I didn't have the points I can honestly say that I would not have bought the game and would have waited for a price drop.
But I really don't care. I'm just here to tell you all how much I disapprove of their ridiculous attitude. I'm not planning on buying this game 'till it's marked down $30 to $40.
Seriously, a vs mode for Resident Evil? That sounds like the dumbest thing ever.
*Raises hand*
I have!!!
On top of that, why should we pay for a mode that was introduced years ago? Is DM new? Nope.
I'll just go back to KZ2, a game that has infinitely better MP, and is included on the disc.
Think of all the modes and features they included with the retail disc.
That Capcom guy has a lot of nerve saying that this crap is justified.
"Uh, SFIV is already a great value so anything beyond that we can charge for."
Total bullshit.
And their old argument "Vs has never been in a RE before." is ridiculous at best. By this logic, nothing new should ever be added to sequels unless it's through DLC.
granted if this is already on the disc to begin with, then that's a problem. But for some reason this won't really be all that fun if we're all just gonna be running around, stopping, aiming, TRYING to hit the person. If anything, I find this turning into a sniping versus. hide, and wait for the idiot to go out into the open.
to add to this, I don't understand why Resident Evil needs a versus to begin with. as for Capcom and their DLC route...it's a shitty choice to have things locked up that are already in the game. It really is things like this that will turn people off after awhile. Especially if we have to pay for crazy prices. GRANTED this isn't a high price to begin with.
I personally think Mercenaries was fine enough. All they needed to do would be add in other characters to mercs, POSSIBLY other stages to play on, and a few tweaks (like being able to switch the position of where the weapons/items are before you start the mode.)
If you are expecting people to place a large amount of money down for a game, the least you could do is make it complete when we purchase it.
Companies only get away with it because people keep buying it, also, im sick of hearing "if you don't like it then don't buy it". I remember when things like multiplayer, extra costumes, maps etc were included on the disk and I didn't have to fork a fortune just to unlock things already there and available on the disk.
I don't mind paying for extra missions and bonus content (like the new GTA expansion) but you know companies abuse it when stuff like this happens.
And fuck companies who announce dlc before the game is released, why couldn't you have put it on the disk.
/rant.
if you want my damn money, you'd wise up and actually make DLC something that should actually be a add on. Not a unlock key or a "oops. not done in time" DLC.
Kudos to free DLC (Criterion), but some of it should be paid for. I really think the japanese developers are the ones who don't seem to know as much, or are finding this new sector of the industry difficult. This is why we've had problems before. For western developers, there's no excuse to get it wrong really, since the PC was always a great testing ground for DLC/demos etc. In the end, more japanese devs will have to get used to DLC and doing achievements better.
When we get free DLC, we never ask that question, should this have been on the game disc? We download and enjoy. This RE5 mode is optional, you don't have to buy it, if you don't want it, so where's the problem. 400 points isn't that bad, especially next to the like of Braid.
Buy or not, its up to you. Its still a games industry, spoilt fuckers, and money has to be made. Not all Burnout DLC is free either, no one complains about that.
As for on or off the disk, I'd rather have it on the disk, than sitting on my hard drive.
Than came the invention of DLC, which by nature should be awesome. More content to what is already a full featured game. Sure you might have to buy it but it would be a good extension on the game. This is the theory us gamers have or had about DLC, unfortunately it took a spin for the worst. Most DLC is content that we would usually get on the game disc for free, like costumes and game modes. Granted some games came out with a special edition and they might of added some costumes or game modes but at the very least that is a special edition of the game and they had the time to add this stuff in between rather then make it for the games launch.
Really, the only purpose of DLC is to charge more for the game. It is very rare when DLC is actually worth while. (I think the fallout 3 expansion is a good peice of DLC, it adds an entire new way to play). One game which I can defend its slueth of DLC though is burnout paradise. While there are alot of things to get, much of it came out after the games release developed as an afterthought rather than something they left out of the game. As for this resident evil DLC.... lol you have to pay for a mode that should of been released with the game if it was ever in development. Really, for that they should of gave us no versus mode. Most people paying $5 will end up disappointed since I doubt it will be heavily played especially after a while.
Well, you can pay extra to unlock stuff already on the disk if you want - but its only going to get worse.
Are we ungrateful 'spoilt fuckers' for demanding to know why we are paying for a mode that, frankly, has been around since Quake??
This is NOT a new, revolutionary multiplayer mode, this is Deathmatch, a mode that has been in games for years, when did you have to pay for DM of all things???
'This RE5 mode is optional, you don't have to buy it, if you don't want it, so where's the problem'
The problem is that if they can get away with this, what's to stop them, in the future, charging to finish a game? Namco did with Katamaracy on the 360.
Charging for extra costumes, ones that can be easily put on the disk, NOT free of charge? Capcom did this with SF4, and that was a full price game to begin with. Granted, they are optional, buy why pay for them, could'nt the developer have easily put them on the disk, remember when costumes in fighting games used to be free?
Hell, Megaman 9 had DLC for DIFFICULTY levels, difficuly levels for god's sake, and that was also made by capcom.
I'm sorry, but your point about jap devs holds no water, there are more than enough western people working on capcom games these days, people that understand western gamers and what DLC is, or rather should be.
Indeed, the game industry needs to make money, but by nickel and diming the very people who support that industry, is a terrible, and probably disasterous, way to do it.
If RE5 was cheaper, then this would'nt be a problem, but it's not, it's an expensive game, multi should be free.
Anyway, fuck you. I'm not buying your half-arsed multiplayer mode.
Please note that content has been cut from games due to time and before consoles had internet access, that content would never have been released. So now you're given the option of at least buying it later on. Games have always technically been "incomplete".
I still believe that charging for multiplayer is bullshit though, and I stand by what I have said.
Guess they didn't go this far because with that kind of breakdown RE5 is only worth $40.
If you develop and release content at the same time, it should be packaged together. If its truly post production development, like Lost and the Damned or the Fallout 3 content, then its expected to be an additional cost. So far all of Capcom's DLC is stuff that could have and should have been packaged with the core game. None of it is post production development that actually extends the lifespan of their game. Its all just horse armor.
Between this, the Megaman 9 bs, and the SF4 costume packs, Capcom seems pretty clearly set on milking the player with as many additional fees as possible.
looks like i can add your company to the
'buy used only' list of mine, just to strip you of your profits. you rip us off, we rip you off.
i have one rule in life, 'treat others how you want to be treated'
Here is the response I got.
"We are sorry to hear that you do not like the fact that we charge for the content that is available for our games. Understand that the costume packs for SFIV are completely optionally and have no affect on the overall gameplay. The same goes for Resident Evil 5, versus mode is an optional feature that is not necessary for the Resident Evil experience. It is not uncommon to charge for extra content in video games, many companies do it. If you are not interested in purchasing the downloadable content by all means don't. The revenue generated from this is used to fund other projects we are working on."
No profit for you! Next!
The reason I use the 'spoilt fuckers' is because we are to a degree, we gamers, like other kinds of fans are a fickle bunch, and hard to please at times. I've been a gamer for many years and I can admit, I too am or have been guilty of this. Its optional DLC. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT.
The SFIV costume packs I think should have been free, as they are purely cosmetic. RE5 mode, on top of what's already accessible, I have no problem getting for 400 points, as I don't expect everything to be free. More RE5 for me.
Like I said, Capcom are new to these kinds of DLC practices. If you disagree with their pricing, perhaps you should email them and let them know, what you would/wouldn't pay for DLC. That's what Capcom Unity is for, so go there and complain on their forums if you want to change things.
As for their PR guy, I guess he's tired of gamers, no surprise after:
RE5 is racist
RE5's controls are wrong, and should be more like FPS games.
And now this, the Svensson dude must be tired of us bitching.
Anyway, glad to see the sales of RE5 are still sweet, and its number one in the U.K too.
i cannot see the logic behind this
Sure, DLC in general sucks; it's all sleazy. While Capcom's "tons of companies do this" reasoning is bullshit, it's true; what makes Capcom so special? This is the market now. It sucks, but we have to deal with it.
Player versus Player seems shitty (Survivors, due to stop and shoot), but the Player versus Player versus Enemies sounds enticing (Slayers). It's like 4 player Mercs.
And to the MM9 bitchers; that game was $10. Remember how much Mega Mans were on the NES, SNES, and PSX? Oh wait; I gladly paid $50 for them. You get the complete MM9 package for $20 and it has MORE content than any other Mega Man ever made (sans Powered up). So what the hell is the problem? "It's because it's old"? That's the point! It's a retro game; something that's hardly done nowadays and is easily worth $20. It was meant to cater to hardcore retro gamers, not penny-pinching casuals.
Yeah that happens in some cases, but how about we reserve judgement on that till we know its actually the case?