Seth is a fucking awful character, what are you people smoking? He has the single lowest damage output in the game and lower health then Akuma, and last time I checked his mixups were all shit too. His "boss" version is difficult, yes, but you can't select his Boss version in Vs.

NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF

Nerfs in a fighting game: lame.

It's called PRACTICING

I have never lost to a Seth user EVER

Tiger!

Watch some Seth videos at tournaments. Seth has incredibly mean combos that don't even use any EX meter.
You Just Don't Know.

I can't wait for StreetFighter:4 Hyper-Champion Edition Turbo HD Remix Edition Edition

@psycho terror:

It makes all the sense in the world. I've seen so many videos in different fighting games where a character I thought was borderline shit can do damage against the more popular and slightly stronger characters.

But of course, it takes SKILL and strategy.

Sagat was known to be a little OP, but now Seth? Well, I guess if you can re-enact CPU Seth, you'll do work on people.

He's a little overpowered. (Sagat) I have only seen maybe two awesome Seth's, but what they do seems maybe OP.
A little touching up, maybe... Patch.
Hey RAB, I think it's called SFIV Rush. :(

Sagat, yes. Seth is a bit more of a mystery, but Capcom knows more than the Tier-makers, since they made the thing.

No, that's not true at all. There's a reason a lot of fighting game developers turn to the tourney scene for advice when fine-tuning their games; they -don't- know that much about the game in the end. The tourney players are the ones who know how to find all the little broken combos and things that make a character top-tier, because more often then not they're unintended by the developers. When Capcom shipped this game, I'm sure they thought the game was balanced. Turns out, it wasn't.

@Cadtalfryn: Just because you've been playing the series longer doesn't necessarily mean you've going to be a better player. If you're losing to a n00b Sagat you're doing something wrong, and rather than sit and cry "this character is cheap" you should be re-thinking the way you play the game.

@RAB: In Blazblue, Tager can chew off over 75% of your health in one combo. He's still considered the worst character in the game. It's not necessarily how much damage you can do, but how reliably you can do the damage.

SF4 is probably the most balanced street fighter of all time. Sagat isn't terribly overpowered, he just doesn't really have any bad matchups.

The real problem is among casual play Sagat really is OP. I mean if you have two guys who just kind of know what they're doing Sagat's really hard to beat.

@Gen Eric Gui
These guys aren't making this stuff up. They're saying this stuff because this is stuff that the top players, the players that actually have a voice, are saying. I'm not very familiar with the Seth matchup with many characters but I know that it's been basically established in the serious Street Fighter scene that if you are playing against a competent Seth and you're using a character with no Fireball and less than 40% health, and that Seth has super, ultra and at least 1 pixel of life, then you're done. You might as well walk away from the game because even if you have full meter there's no winning. You're done.
There's never been a situation like that in any Street Fighter game so this kind of thing is a really big deal.

Seth really sucks. The player would have to be a beast to begin with to be good with Seth cuz he has lower strength and health.

i'd just be happy if they gave sakura some bigger gloves or something. i can spend the whole round beating the mess out of my opponent only to have them pull three combos on me and i'm blotto. oh and NERF.

er, no. SFIV is actually extremely balanced for a first-iteration game. it's just very easy to pwn noobs with sagat. seth? nah.

If both players are of equal standing, and one of them uses Sagat or Seth, and the other one doesn't, of course the Sagat or Seth player will win. Who writes this crap?

@Chronic Logic
No, because skill doesn't always translate 1:1 into performance.

Sagat may be the "best" character but he's not "overpowered". If Sagat and Seth are so good, why do the Japanese and American champions play Dhalsim and Rufus, respectively? Daigo switched to Ken in 3rd Strike, but he's sticking to Ryu in IV.

An overpowered character is one everybody ends up using in matches that matter, like Chun Li/Yun/Ken in 3rd Strike. A broken character is someone that consistently destroys everybody else, like Akuma in Super Turbo. Neither of these types exist in SFIV.

If anything, the lower tiers may use some work. Nobody ever uses Gen.

I can usually beat most Sagat's with Sakura so he can't be that powerful. Sakura vs. Blanka though i have no chance.