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"Dragon's Dogma is going to be perhaps the prime example of everything Capcom's done wrong with DLC. I can't say much until the review"
Fuck, that's depressing.
Fuck, that's depressing.
I don't understand why a publisher would even have to "re-evaluate" this policy. It's a massive insult to customers and putting the kibosh on this kind of selfish, money grubbing dlc model should be a no brainier.
Well fuck me. I was really looking forward to this. Pop-up ads for dlc? Already on disc dlc? I need to hear more before I cancel, but I'm not supporting this shit from anyone anymore.
I expect this has more to do with their shitty financials for the last quarter and lacklustre sales for their Streetfighter-Tekken mash-up than genuine good faith.
I love that there are more games out there than anyone could ever play... because I can say "fuck no" to stuff like this, and move on with my life without feeling like I've missed anything of significance. Ditto with Diablo 3.
It's not that hard to fix. Anything that's already on-disc should be unlocked through standard play and whatnot. You know, like back in the day when you bought a game and got your money's worth. If the game sells well then start considering DLC.
It's like Capcom WANTS us to hate all their games recently.
And of course they won't view it as commentary on their shitty business model, but on the game itself, in true thick-headed board member form.
And of course they won't view it as commentary on their shitty business model, but on the game itself, in true thick-headed board member form.
Well, at least some poor community relations guy who gets screamed at constantly is acknowledging the greivences publicly. Gears are turning internally for them to address it publicly, but it remains to be seen if anything will actually change. It's a start though.
So they basically just openly admitted that they've been doing exactly what their fans have accused them of, and Capcom themselves have denied, and are finally choosing to change their policies?
Well fuck me. There's hope for the industry after all.
I think.
Well fuck me. There's hope for the industry after all.
I think.
I don't think that I've ever seen a publisher outright warn people to not purchase any of their titles in the months ahead.
But such is Capcom...constantly fucking up in new and exciting ways!
But such is Capcom...constantly fucking up in new and exciting ways!
So? They'll just make you download the stuff instead of putting it on the disc. A little more dignified, a little less convenient. DLC is not going anywhere, people.
"Capcom the developer is great. "
I'm increasingly unsure about this. Capcom was one of my favorites as recently as a few years ago, but the dearth of genuinely great games is starting to become disconcerting, especially when juxtaposed with the terrible turn in community relations. I mean, honestly.. Street Fighter IV was good when it came out. RE4 was a revelation (not a pun). Lately, however, we see more clones of both than anything genuinely new and interesting.
Dragon's Dogma could be good, but it's competing against developers that are really at the top of their game. I'm fearful this will be more like Amalur than anything else; good but too generic to generate a lot of enthusiasm. Still, I wish them the best.
I'm increasingly unsure about this. Capcom was one of my favorites as recently as a few years ago, but the dearth of genuinely great games is starting to become disconcerting, especially when juxtaposed with the terrible turn in community relations. I mean, honestly.. Street Fighter IV was good when it came out. RE4 was a revelation (not a pun). Lately, however, we see more clones of both than anything genuinely new and interesting.
Dragon's Dogma could be good, but it's competing against developers that are really at the top of their game. I'm fearful this will be more like Amalur than anything else; good but too generic to generate a lot of enthusiasm. Still, I wish them the best.
It won't matter how good Dragon's Dogma is, it sales will be hampered by the fact that these extra purchases will be required for you to enjoy the game to its fullest potential, and lock away what you've already purchased on the disk itself behind a wall you must pay more money to go behind..
This is a shame,, because I have heard that Capcom maybe on to something really, really good here, but will never allow it the degree of success that it could have because of its shackled state to a business model that spits in the face of the people they want to sell it to the most. Silly business.
This is a shame,, because I have heard that Capcom maybe on to something really, really good here, but will never allow it the degree of success that it could have because of its shackled state to a business model that spits in the face of the people they want to sell it to the most. Silly business.
"this was determined to be the most efficient way of ensuring certain content was made available."
No, the most efficient way to make that content available would be to simply have it be part of the game right from the word go. It is Capcom's choice to lock it away, creating additional barriers.
I just hope this doesn't mean they make everything go the Operation Raccoon City route instead: taking half the game back off the disc entirely (though they fucked up in ORC, leaving some audio files intact) to offer it as ''real'' DLC later. Which is scummier, locking content on-disc or making it, putting it on the disc then ripping it out at the eleventh hour to sell a month later?
No, the most efficient way to make that content available would be to simply have it be part of the game right from the word go. It is Capcom's choice to lock it away, creating additional barriers.
I just hope this doesn't mean they make everything go the Operation Raccoon City route instead: taking half the game back off the disc entirely (though they fucked up in ORC, leaving some audio files intact) to offer it as ''real'' DLC later. Which is scummier, locking content on-disc or making it, putting it on the disc then ripping it out at the eleventh hour to sell a month later?
I'd be more willing to sympathize with the development side if they'd take a stand over this bullshit instead of bowing to their publisher overlords.
Wild guess: Not many on the publishing side can code. Just sayin'.
Wild guess: Not many on the publishing side can code. Just sayin'.
"Dragon's Dogma is going to be perhaps the prime example of everything Capcom's done wrong with DLC. I can't say much until the review but let's just say glorified pop-up ads for downloadable content were already in place when I tried a pre-release copy."
I was going to buy this game, but I won't be screwed by DLC again (thanks a lot FF XIII-2).
I was going to buy this game, but I won't be screwed by DLC again (thanks a lot FF XIII-2).
Good that I wasn't hyped for this. I might get DmC, becaue I grow up with the franchise and don't boil with hate, because of the changes, think it will be one of these titles that can't be changed, eh?
This statement is just as disengenuous as the on disc DLC is in the first place.
Capcom is still going to charge an assload for shitty costumes and other stuff that used to be free in games, it just won't be on the disc. Instead we'll just download the entire file and no fan can say "This was already done before the game was launched!"
Ooooo you're so awesome Capcom. Thanks for listening to the fans. It's not JUST the fact the DLC is on the disc, it's that the majority of your DLC should be included with the core game in the first place.
Way to miss the point entirely.
Capcom is still going to charge an assload for shitty costumes and other stuff that used to be free in games, it just won't be on the disc. Instead we'll just download the entire file and no fan can say "This was already done before the game was launched!"
Ooooo you're so awesome Capcom. Thanks for listening to the fans. It's not JUST the fact the DLC is on the disc, it's that the majority of your DLC should be included with the core game in the first place.
Way to miss the point entirely.
So, instead of being on the disk they will make it completely downloadable, and withhold it for a month so as to not call it "Day 1 DLC"?
Am I cynical, of a prophet? Guess we'll find out in a year.
Am I cynical, of a prophet? Guess we'll find out in a year.
"the decision to include some additional (but not all planned additional) game content for the game on disc was made at the beginning of the game's development cycle"
Fuck off, at the BEGINNING of the games development?
No. Just no. You're like a girlfriend who's gone out and fucked all my friends and now you're saying you want me back and that you'll re-evaluate your cheating ways?
No.
Which is a shame, because she was one of the hottest girlfriends I've ever had. She was just a total bitch.
Fuck off, at the BEGINNING of the games development?
No. Just no. You're like a girlfriend who's gone out and fucked all my friends and now you're saying you want me back and that you'll re-evaluate your cheating ways?
No.
Which is a shame, because she was one of the hottest girlfriends I've ever had. She was just a total bitch.
I'll buy the shit out of Gold/Ultimate/All-The-Not-DLC-Included edition. Not supporting this bullshit.
that's too bad, cause I was excited about Dragon's Dogma and loved the demo. If i'm getting something with content locked behind DLC (on disc or downloaded) and told that its there in game via in-game ads, then Capcom can't have my money :( I'm done with them. maybe Capcom needs another financial quarter of losses to get the message.
HA. HAHA, HA. They won't even flinch about pulling this shit again the second they think they can get away with it. They've basically just SAID "We will fuck you over first chance we get, but we're going to hide behind pretty words so please buy our products."
Jim, when will the review be up? I preordered this without hesitation a few weeks ago but that last paragraph is giving me second thoughts
Incredible. Absolutely mind boggling. Infact this in infuriating. I am absolutely hyped for Dragons Dogma, I have put an obscene amount of time in both areas of the demo. Love the combat, love the combining of curative and support items. I've seen countless videos of spells, crafting magic, layered armors, no level scaling in areas which is a positive? Love the idea of the pawn system and the fact you can use numerous drafts to alter their A.I behavior on the fly in combat. Love the jobs system. Now this?! They have just crippled their own game! This game is not Diablo III it is not some seasoned franchise blockbuster, it's a new I.P with a new take on the open world RPG, and they literally have destroyed any chances it has to make an impact in the charts. Somewhere the developers of this game must be praying to God this even moves 275,000 units in the first month. I like they angle they are taking and have been heavily following this title month by month. So I will plunk down the $60.00, but this leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and I'm sure other games have now relegated this game to obscurity because of one or several bean counters decisions. I weep for Hideaki Itsuno and Tadayoshi Makino.
Incredible. Absolutely mind boggling. Infact this in infuriating. I am absolutely hyped for Dragons Dogma, I have put an obscene amount of time in both areas of the demo. Love the combat, love the combining of curative and support items. I've seen countless videos of spells, crafting magic, layered armors, no level scaling in areas which is a positive? Love the idea of the pawn system and the fact you can use numerous drafts to alter their A.I behavior on the fly in combat. Love the jobs system. Now this?! They have just crippled their own game! This game is not Diablo III it is not some seasoned franchise blockbuster, it's a new I.P with a new take on the open world RPG, and they literally have destroyed any chances it has to make an impact in the charts. Somewhere the developers of this game must be praying to God this even moves 275,000 units in the first month. I like they angle they are taking and have been heavily following this title month by month. So I will plunk down the $60.00, but this leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and I'm sure other games have now relegated this game to obscurity because of one or several bean counters decisions. I weep for Hideaki Itsuno and Tadayoshi Makino.
"To make you all happier, we'll just move this withheld content from discs and move it all to servers" - Capcom
"How's that not getting my money working out for ya?" - Icehearted
"How's that not getting my money working out for ya?" - Icehearted
Damage control. Capcom's just trying to get this out of the way before the Dragon's Dogma backlash begins. Disgusting fucks.
Eventually a pioneering dev will say no to dlc completely and release a whole game again with all content that is finished unlock able and accessible on disc and they will advertise it by saying exactly that, and they will make a lot of money.
Even the regular not hardcore, but not casual players are getting tired of it. I work at GameStop and the mere mentioning of a max Payne season pass was met with extreme hostility (towards me, misguided, but it was because $30 mp only content.)
Even the regular not hardcore, but not casual players are getting tired of it. I work at GameStop and the mere mentioning of a max Payne season pass was met with extreme hostility (towards me, misguided, but it was because $30 mp only content.)
Capcom doesn't get that planning some DLC at the start of the game's development cycle is what upsets people. "Day One" DLC is something that also annoys people, but the concept of creating it once the game is finalized at least gives it a little more justification. If DLC is planned too early, that's when people feel like it should have been part of the main game.
Well, their DLC policy, along with similar policies from a host of other devs/publishers, has convinced me to never buy games from certain companies when they debut, because they are either planning to sell the game with all DLC at a cheaper price a few months later (Street Fighter IV, Marvel Vs. Capcom 3, Dead Rising 2, and Mortal Kombat to name a few) or they consider $60+ an introductory investment in a game that simply is not a complete package upon its debut.
For this reason, I remember the devs and publishers who actually recognize that money holds a significant value to most consumers by providing a product actually that feels finished, and I also remember the ones who try to nickel and dime fans into paying half as much in DLC as they do on the original game; and for the latter, I only buy their games on sale or used in order to give them the same middle-finger that they try to give their consumers.
For this reason, I remember the devs and publishers who actually recognize that money holds a significant value to most consumers by providing a product actually that feels finished, and I also remember the ones who try to nickel and dime fans into paying half as much in DLC as they do on the original game; and for the latter, I only buy their games on sale or used in order to give them the same middle-finger that they try to give their consumers.
On disc DLC should be fucking ileagal. That's like saying "Here's a cake but you can't eat a the frosting flower if you don't pay an extra $5." Day one DLC is more like "Here's you cake and if you want you can buy some cupcakes we made out of the leftover batter and icing."
Also, has Capcom ever put out significant, free DLC of any kind? I've never played any of the Hawk games, but the stance of the Starhawk devs toward their supporters in the form of free DLC has actually stoked my interest in a game that I wouldn't have considered picking up otherwise. However, for most Capcom games of the digital era, my reaction is exactly the opposite.
"We would like to assure you that we have been listening to your comments and as such have begun the process of re-evaluating how such additional game content is delivered in the future"
Translation: their DLC policy will remain exactly as it is, only instead of putting the DLC on the disc it will simply be downloaded. That's why raging against the delivery method rather than against the policy of charging full price for an incomplete game and then charging extra for the bits that were chopped off in the first place is pointless and misguided.
Translation: their DLC policy will remain exactly as it is, only instead of putting the DLC on the disc it will simply be downloaded. That's why raging against the delivery method rather than against the policy of charging full price for an incomplete game and then charging extra for the bits that were chopped off in the first place is pointless and misguided.
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