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Even though it's true, I can't he- OH WHAT THE HELL it'd sell on name alone, Capcom! More than enough!
Resident Evil 4 sold on name + heightened action = broader appeal. Then RE5 sold well because of RE4's rep + name. The game turned out to be even more actiony and the feeling that it was at least half-decent wasn't exactly unanimous.
They had a chance to surprise the mass market with an awesome survival horror (ish) game that could stimulate the market and open the door for far more.
Now we get to move and shoot, take cover, blah blah blah plus all that RE5 action plus possibly more. Pretty retarded.
But, with that said, granted they don't rinse and repeat RE4 (ala RE5) again and give us a difficulty mode hard enough that it at least sort of touches upon that certain survival horror tension, I'll really enjoy this. Because RE5 would've still been great if it weren't just a total retread.
Resident Evil 4 sold on name + heightened action = broader appeal. Then RE5 sold well because of RE4's rep + name. The game turned out to be even more actiony and the feeling that it was at least half-decent wasn't exactly unanimous.
They had a chance to surprise the mass market with an awesome survival horror (ish) game that could stimulate the market and open the door for far more.
Now we get to move and shoot, take cover, blah blah blah plus all that RE5 action plus possibly more. Pretty retarded.
But, with that said, granted they don't rinse and repeat RE4 (ala RE5) again and give us a difficulty mode hard enough that it at least sort of touches upon that certain survival horror tension, I'll really enjoy this. Because RE5 would've still been great if it weren't just a total retread.
"I think that especially for the North American market, we need to keep going in that direction"
I am not american but I truly feel sorry to hear that.
I am not american but I truly feel sorry to hear that.
Doing stuff to mindlessly appeal to western COD-drones. Isn't this the same logic they used when they announced a western (aka not Japan) developer was making DmC.
So Resi is abandoning survival horror entirely in favour of more money. Ladies and gentleman, game industry artistic integrity!
Shame, especially when after RE5 they said the next game would be closer to the series' roots and that #5 would be the last title with that kind of gameplay.
Looks like RE's dead for me. Ah well.
Looks like RE's dead for me. Ah well.
@tobbii
"This is why you do a game with a lower budget, so you can keep the identity intact."
If only it actually worked like that. A company the size of Capcom can't just suddenly decide to operate on indie developer margins and expect to survive. I mean, I see where you're coming from and I wish you were right, but a smaller budget and smaller profits just isn't going to sustain them, and unfortunately, game development isn't a charity.
"This is why you do a game with a lower budget, so you can keep the identity intact."
If only it actually worked like that. A company the size of Capcom can't just suddenly decide to operate on indie developer margins and expect to survive. I mean, I see where you're coming from and I wish you were right, but a smaller budget and smaller profits just isn't going to sustain them, and unfortunately, game development isn't a charity.
Well, thank God we have indie devs who can make niche games without worrying about massive returns. I'm sure we'll see more horror games cropping up from them soon enough, and I can't wait to see how they turn out.
I like how he suggests that he wants CoD's sales numbers, but the game won't even approach a week's worth of CoD's sales in it's lifetime no matter what it does.
I'd love it if they created an entirely new IP that focused on pure survival horror and kept Resident Evil as it is now.
I don't think many people will hate Capcom for this. It's kind of expected.
You have to go where the money is.
If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the millions of consumers who buy COD overshadowing every other genre.
Just stick to PC indie games, they'll always cater to every genre.
You have to go where the money is.
If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the millions of consumers who buy COD overshadowing every other genre.
Just stick to PC indie games, they'll always cater to every genre.
@Tristix:
And then when this flops(possibility), they go under instead. It's a win-win I guess. And yes, if they can do small Arcade titles, they can scale down the budget of their bigger titles if they wanted. But no, they want those COD pie-in-the-sky numbers. It's not going to happen for them.
And then when this flops(possibility), they go under instead. It's a win-win I guess. And yes, if they can do small Arcade titles, they can scale down the budget of their bigger titles if they wanted. But no, they want those COD pie-in-the-sky numbers. It's not going to happen for them.
I've always said there are plenty of non-action-centric Resident Evil games.
A lot of them are available digitally in contemporary platforms, or cheap online. I'm fine with the series moving in a different direction, so long as the games are good (as long as you play it coop, RE5 was one of the best in the series).
A lot of them are available digitally in contemporary platforms, or cheap online. I'm fine with the series moving in a different direction, so long as the games are good (as long as you play it coop, RE5 was one of the best in the series).
This is what I was afraid of when games started going more mainstream. Now all the developers want to do is cater to twitch induced gamers who play COD.
Yeah, Capcom is bang on point with this one. As much as I am a huge fan of the old school resident evil games, gaming has changed, and what we can't have these days is a dedicated survival horror game with the kind of mad budget that RE6 will surely have. Don't know why you lot want it from Capcom though, they haven't put together a decent horror game in years, if you're lucky enough to be able to play Amnesia then play that, and a Machine For Pigs will be out soon enough.
But yeah, Capcom are right. A survival horror game in todays market would never sell 5+ units like RE5 did. And even if it could, good luck getting investors to part ways with their tens of millions to gamble on you.
But yeah, Capcom are right. A survival horror game in todays market would never sell 5+ units like RE5 did. And even if it could, good luck getting investors to part ways with their tens of millions to gamble on you.
Resident Evil 5, easily the worst numbered installment in the entire series, is also its highest selling.
Wrap your mind around that shit, and then suddenly this make sense.
Reading this hurt me in my soul. I literally just died a bit inside.
Wrap your mind around that shit, and then suddenly this make sense.
Reading this hurt me in my soul. I literally just died a bit inside.
@Tristix
Smaller budget doesn't need to be indie budget. Look at Nintendo, they're on of the biggest if not the biggest videogame company in the world and their biggest game yet had 100 staff working on it. Not only only that but they introduced a completely alienating control scheme in said game, and it's one of their biggest franchises.
Smaller budget doesn't need to be indie budget. Look at Nintendo, they're on of the biggest if not the biggest videogame company in the world and their biggest game yet had 100 staff working on it. Not only only that but they introduced a completely alienating control scheme in said game, and it's one of their biggest franchises.
Well this could be a great opportunity for everyone here to point out some great, more recent (2008-present or so) survival horror games that could feed our nerd fire.
Maybe even Destructoid could do a little article about this very thing *AHEM AHEM*
Maybe even Destructoid could do a little article about this very thing *AHEM AHEM*
@Trist
I don't think he meant "shoestring budget" -- if he's talking about a "lower" budget, that could mean Vita/3DS. Thus, you can keep some horror elements (Revelations) while mixing in action.
From what I can tell, Revelations sold very well, at least outside of the US.
I don't think he meant "shoestring budget" -- if he's talking about a "lower" budget, that could mean Vita/3DS. Thus, you can keep some horror elements (Revelations) while mixing in action.
From what I can tell, Revelations sold very well, at least outside of the US.
Why are japanese and western devs so damn stupid when it comes to gaming........
RE revelations has been the most critically acclaimed RE since 4........
they dont see that 5 was trash.......\
They think every game needs to sell as well as COD and that will just lead to no risk or imagination
RE revelations has been the most critically acclaimed RE since 4........
they dont see that 5 was trash.......\
They think every game needs to sell as well as COD and that will just lead to no risk or imagination
@Rev: Yeah, but they don't have the "lolRAICISS" marketing campaign for this game like they did RE5.
@Los255
Believe me. If Dead Space 3 goes almost full-on action, all those little heads at Visceral Games are gonna roooooooooooooll.
Believe me. If Dead Space 3 goes almost full-on action, all those little heads at Visceral Games are gonna roooooooooooooll.
A well designed survival horror game will sell well but i doubt Capcom are capable of making one of those anymore.
Oops, I didn't mean to leave a blank comment.
Regarding the article: honestly, RE5 was crap, and I'm not buying any more RE games until I'm interested again. I loved the first few games, and, despite the growing trend against it, I loved RE4. I'll tell you what I loved about RE4: the beginning was genuinely nerve-wracking. Until you got a hang of the controls and amassed a huge cache of weapons, ammo, medical supplies, etc., that game was -freaky-.
Remember the scene where you're trapped in that house? And the not-zombies are breaking in from every direction? Seriously. Best moment of the game, hands down. Hell, the first time the chainsaw guy came after me or the first time a peasant's head exploded into an alien -thing- - these were great and they were freakin' scary.
RE5 is BORING and SHITTY. I couldn't muster more than a few hours to put into it. Also, the coop crap completely ruined the mood of the series.
Seriously, Capcom sucks these days. I don't know how it happened, but, in like 3 years, they went from one of my absolute favorites to a company I largely avoid purchasing from. For all the noise made about Bioware being bought by EA, I feel like Capcom has dropped further and more quickly without even being touched by an entity like EA. See also: Square Enix.
Regarding the article: honestly, RE5 was crap, and I'm not buying any more RE games until I'm interested again. I loved the first few games, and, despite the growing trend against it, I loved RE4. I'll tell you what I loved about RE4: the beginning was genuinely nerve-wracking. Until you got a hang of the controls and amassed a huge cache of weapons, ammo, medical supplies, etc., that game was -freaky-.
Remember the scene where you're trapped in that house? And the not-zombies are breaking in from every direction? Seriously. Best moment of the game, hands down. Hell, the first time the chainsaw guy came after me or the first time a peasant's head exploded into an alien -thing- - these were great and they were freakin' scary.
RE5 is BORING and SHITTY. I couldn't muster more than a few hours to put into it. Also, the coop crap completely ruined the mood of the series.
Seriously, Capcom sucks these days. I don't know how it happened, but, in like 3 years, they went from one of my absolute favorites to a company I largely avoid purchasing from. For all the noise made about Bioware being bought by EA, I feel like Capcom has dropped further and more quickly without even being touched by an entity like EA. See also: Square Enix.
I swear to God: if Wesker pops back up in this game, I'm mailing a flaming bag of shit straight to Osaka.
Anyone have an ETA of when Dead Space 3 is coming out? Jesus...
Anyone have an ETA of when Dead Space 3 is coming out? Jesus...
I'd like to see an open world survival horror game, i think that is what made silent hill such a great game. Exploring the unknown and having to choose your own path is a lot more frightening than being forced down hallways and narrow paths.
Gaming is going the way of Hollywood these days, if it doesn't appeal to the widest possible audience it won't be made.
@Chris
"I don't think he meant "shoestring budget" -- if he's talking about a "lower" budget, that could mean Vita/3DS. Thus, you can keep some horror elements (Revelations) while mixing in action.
From what I can tell, Revelations sold very well, at least outside of the US."
And that's all well and good for a series offshoot/spin-off/whatever, but Resident Evil is one of Capcom's cash cows that sustains them so they can do the more quirky offshoots and handheld/downloadable games. I mean seriously, where's Capcom without Resident Evil and Street Fighter? If you don't have those, and you don't replace them with something equally big, I don't think you have a Revelations, or a Lost Planet, or a Dragon's Dogma.
That's something that people who complain about CoD and all it's me-too clones don't understand. A publisher NEEDS those cash cows to be able to afford to do the more ambitious and interesting projects these days. We don't have to like those cash cows, but I think we do have to tolerate their existence and appreciate that without them, there's a whole lot less games being made overall.
So yeah, Capcom needs its blockbusters to keep it afloat, and it needs to evolve those to keep up with what's selling. I regret that, but I grudgingly understand and respect it, and I also understand that taking Resident Evil lower budget to keep it the way I want it isn't what's best in the long run.
"I don't think he meant "shoestring budget" -- if he's talking about a "lower" budget, that could mean Vita/3DS. Thus, you can keep some horror elements (Revelations) while mixing in action.
From what I can tell, Revelations sold very well, at least outside of the US."
And that's all well and good for a series offshoot/spin-off/whatever, but Resident Evil is one of Capcom's cash cows that sustains them so they can do the more quirky offshoots and handheld/downloadable games. I mean seriously, where's Capcom without Resident Evil and Street Fighter? If you don't have those, and you don't replace them with something equally big, I don't think you have a Revelations, or a Lost Planet, or a Dragon's Dogma.
That's something that people who complain about CoD and all it's me-too clones don't understand. A publisher NEEDS those cash cows to be able to afford to do the more ambitious and interesting projects these days. We don't have to like those cash cows, but I think we do have to tolerate their existence and appreciate that without them, there's a whole lot less games being made overall.
So yeah, Capcom needs its blockbusters to keep it afloat, and it needs to evolve those to keep up with what's selling. I regret that, but I grudgingly understand and respect it, and I also understand that taking Resident Evil lower budget to keep it the way I want it isn't what's best in the long run.
Makes sense. I don't mind Resident Evil being more action-oriented. That's what the market wants. I'd love to see a major console release that's pure old school survival horror but that's not going to happen. So I'll play this and enjoy it for what it is then play Amnesia and whatever else comes down the pipeline.
@Tristix: "without them, there's a whole lot less games being made overall."
Considering how bloated the games market is and how many "me too's" there are, I have zero problem with less games being released.
Considering how bloated the games market is and how many "me too's" there are, I have zero problem with less games being released.
@Revuhlooshun - It's almost like hardened hobbyists like us are still a niche with very little real voice compared to the masses. I agree, RE5 is the worst but not only is it the most popular RE but in fact one of the best selling Capcom game of all time. The only other thing they've put out that tops it is Street Fighter 2. Fucking Street Fighter 2. So yeah, they've hit the magic as far as their concerned, and geeks like us can play something actually scary. Turns out, big games companies pretty much are just out to make toys for kids.
Sometimes, I'm glad I never followed Resident Evil.
But you know, like all bad, stupid, and wrong things done in the business world, this is money's fault.
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But you know, like all bad, stupid, and wrong things done in the business world, this is money's fault.
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@Usedtabe
"Considering how bloated the games market is and how many "me too's" there are, I have zero problem with less games being released."
I think you misunderstood me. My contention is that the games you aren't interested in are the games that are funding the development of the ones you ARE interested in. So no, I think you WOULD have a problem with less games being released if you're at all interested in video games.
"Considering how bloated the games market is and how many "me too's" there are, I have zero problem with less games being released."
I think you misunderstood me. My contention is that the games you aren't interested in are the games that are funding the development of the ones you ARE interested in. So no, I think you WOULD have a problem with less games being released if you're at all interested in video games.
@Tristix
But you can make a blockbuster game without a blockbuster budget which forces your hand to go for the broadest audience possible, and looking at Monster Hunter, Capcom should know this.
But you can make a blockbuster game without a blockbuster budget which forces your hand to go for the broadest audience possible, and looking at Monster Hunter, Capcom should know this.
@Trist
If the vast majority of Capcom's coffers are coming from only two franchises, it needs a new business strategy. But I don't think that's the case.
If the vast majority of Capcom's coffers are coming from only two franchises, it needs a new business strategy. But I don't think that's the case.
Considering how the plot has shifted in RE it makes sense, we are at global warfare of B.O.W's and the characters have grown up and gotten tougher. Leon has shifted from rookie cop to super agent blowing away B.O.Ws like it nothing.
As long as the game is solid i don't care
As long as the game is solid i don't care
@Tristrix: You would be right if I cared about anything Capcom has produced lately. Instead, it's all been, for the most part, shallow crap. The games I'm interested in.. get cancelled. It's lose lose here. More senseless CoD-clones. Less fun games.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this shift in priorities led to the cancellation of some experimental/fun/interesting games. After all, why invest in that 'crap' if you can make millions cloning RE5?
Personally, I think the whole strategy is wrong. RE6, IMO, will be less successful than anticipated. Hell, this whole family of RE action games that is coming out this year - I think they'll all disappoint. Meanwhile, Capcom has no interesting new IPs, no interseting new ideas, and no interesting takes on old IPs/ideas.
You don't stay a successful mega-company by just copying CoD over and over again. You have to have your own ideas occasionally, and Capcom hasn't had any new ideas since RE4 for the RE games and SFIV (original release) for their fighting games.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this shift in priorities led to the cancellation of some experimental/fun/interesting games. After all, why invest in that 'crap' if you can make millions cloning RE5?
Personally, I think the whole strategy is wrong. RE6, IMO, will be less successful than anticipated. Hell, this whole family of RE action games that is coming out this year - I think they'll all disappoint. Meanwhile, Capcom has no interesting new IPs, no interseting new ideas, and no interesting takes on old IPs/ideas.
You don't stay a successful mega-company by just copying CoD over and over again. You have to have your own ideas occasionally, and Capcom hasn't had any new ideas since RE4 for the RE games and SFIV (original release) for their fighting games.
@Tristix
The market for games has to shrink eventually though. I can't see this being a perpetual thing where studios are churning out hundreds of games a year and only a dozen or so are actually making a profit. It seems as though there's some kind of video game bubble with too many games and not enough people willing to buy them.
There's going to be a point where there really are less games simply because these publishers are churning out too many of them. We're in sort of a heyday of video games that's never been seen before, nor is it something that can ever expect to last. A rude awakening is making its way down the pipe it seems, especially if companies continue to follow your suggestion and turn their heavy hitting franchises into shameless cash cows.
Even the best of cows eventually go dry. How long can Capcom and others run their franchises into the ground before people stop buying them? How long does it take for a company to ruin its reputation? Because for all the copies that RE5 sold, you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of people that actually enjoyed it. This model is not very sustainable.
The market for games has to shrink eventually though. I can't see this being a perpetual thing where studios are churning out hundreds of games a year and only a dozen or so are actually making a profit. It seems as though there's some kind of video game bubble with too many games and not enough people willing to buy them.
There's going to be a point where there really are less games simply because these publishers are churning out too many of them. We're in sort of a heyday of video games that's never been seen before, nor is it something that can ever expect to last. A rude awakening is making its way down the pipe it seems, especially if companies continue to follow your suggestion and turn their heavy hitting franchises into shameless cash cows.
Even the best of cows eventually go dry. How long can Capcom and others run their franchises into the ground before people stop buying them? How long does it take for a company to ruin its reputation? Because for all the copies that RE5 sold, you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of people that actually enjoyed it. This model is not very sustainable.
Mmm, yeah, Monster Hunter. Forgot about that one. That's another cash cow isn't it? Good point.
Thing is, Monster Hunter is astro-fucking-nomically huge in Japan but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people over here in the US that give a damn about it. It's just not that huge here, is it?
For perspective, consider that Monster Hunter as a series has sold 18 million copies as of June of last year (source: wiki of course). That sounds great, but that's over the course of 15 games. Unless it's just talking about the main series entries, in which case it's over the course of 6 games. Either way, that's no where NEAR the kind of sales Capcom gets from Resident Evil and Street Fighter. Not even close.
So yeah, I mean, you raise an interesting point, but I think the numbers continue to bear out what I'm saying, especially when we look at it from a North American standpoint.
Thing is, Monster Hunter is astro-fucking-nomically huge in Japan but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people over here in the US that give a damn about it. It's just not that huge here, is it?
For perspective, consider that Monster Hunter as a series has sold 18 million copies as of June of last year (source: wiki of course). That sounds great, but that's over the course of 15 games. Unless it's just talking about the main series entries, in which case it's over the course of 6 games. Either way, that's no where NEAR the kind of sales Capcom gets from Resident Evil and Street Fighter. Not even close.
So yeah, I mean, you raise an interesting point, but I think the numbers continue to bear out what I'm saying, especially when we look at it from a North American standpoint.
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