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But you know, like all bad, stupid, and wrong things done in the business world, this is money's fault.
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But you know, like all bad, stupid, and wrong things done in the business world, this is money's fault.
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@Usedtabe
"Considering how bloated the games market is and how many "me too's" there are, I have zero problem with less games being released."
I think you misunderstood me. My contention is that the games you aren't interested in are the games that are funding the development of the ones you ARE interested in. So no, I think you WOULD have a problem with less games being released if you're at all interested in video games.
"Considering how bloated the games market is and how many "me too's" there are, I have zero problem with less games being released."
I think you misunderstood me. My contention is that the games you aren't interested in are the games that are funding the development of the ones you ARE interested in. So no, I think you WOULD have a problem with less games being released if you're at all interested in video games.
@Tristix
But you can make a blockbuster game without a blockbuster budget which forces your hand to go for the broadest audience possible, and looking at Monster Hunter, Capcom should know this.
But you can make a blockbuster game without a blockbuster budget which forces your hand to go for the broadest audience possible, and looking at Monster Hunter, Capcom should know this.
@Trist
If the vast majority of Capcom's coffers are coming from only two franchises, it needs a new business strategy. But I don't think that's the case.
If the vast majority of Capcom's coffers are coming from only two franchises, it needs a new business strategy. But I don't think that's the case.
Considering how the plot has shifted in RE it makes sense, we are at global warfare of B.O.W's and the characters have grown up and gotten tougher. Leon has shifted from rookie cop to super agent blowing away B.O.Ws like it nothing.
As long as the game is solid i don't care
As long as the game is solid i don't care
@Tristrix: You would be right if I cared about anything Capcom has produced lately. Instead, it's all been, for the most part, shallow crap. The games I'm interested in.. get cancelled. It's lose lose here. More senseless CoD-clones. Less fun games.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this shift in priorities led to the cancellation of some experimental/fun/interesting games. After all, why invest in that 'crap' if you can make millions cloning RE5?
Personally, I think the whole strategy is wrong. RE6, IMO, will be less successful than anticipated. Hell, this whole family of RE action games that is coming out this year - I think they'll all disappoint. Meanwhile, Capcom has no interesting new IPs, no interseting new ideas, and no interesting takes on old IPs/ideas.
You don't stay a successful mega-company by just copying CoD over and over again. You have to have your own ideas occasionally, and Capcom hasn't had any new ideas since RE4 for the RE games and SFIV (original release) for their fighting games.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if this shift in priorities led to the cancellation of some experimental/fun/interesting games. After all, why invest in that 'crap' if you can make millions cloning RE5?
Personally, I think the whole strategy is wrong. RE6, IMO, will be less successful than anticipated. Hell, this whole family of RE action games that is coming out this year - I think they'll all disappoint. Meanwhile, Capcom has no interesting new IPs, no interseting new ideas, and no interesting takes on old IPs/ideas.
You don't stay a successful mega-company by just copying CoD over and over again. You have to have your own ideas occasionally, and Capcom hasn't had any new ideas since RE4 for the RE games and SFIV (original release) for their fighting games.
@Tristix
The market for games has to shrink eventually though. I can't see this being a perpetual thing where studios are churning out hundreds of games a year and only a dozen or so are actually making a profit. It seems as though there's some kind of video game bubble with too many games and not enough people willing to buy them.
There's going to be a point where there really are less games simply because these publishers are churning out too many of them. We're in sort of a heyday of video games that's never been seen before, nor is it something that can ever expect to last. A rude awakening is making its way down the pipe it seems, especially if companies continue to follow your suggestion and turn their heavy hitting franchises into shameless cash cows.
Even the best of cows eventually go dry. How long can Capcom and others run their franchises into the ground before people stop buying them? How long does it take for a company to ruin its reputation? Because for all the copies that RE5 sold, you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of people that actually enjoyed it. This model is not very sustainable.
The market for games has to shrink eventually though. I can't see this being a perpetual thing where studios are churning out hundreds of games a year and only a dozen or so are actually making a profit. It seems as though there's some kind of video game bubble with too many games and not enough people willing to buy them.
There's going to be a point where there really are less games simply because these publishers are churning out too many of them. We're in sort of a heyday of video games that's never been seen before, nor is it something that can ever expect to last. A rude awakening is making its way down the pipe it seems, especially if companies continue to follow your suggestion and turn their heavy hitting franchises into shameless cash cows.
Even the best of cows eventually go dry. How long can Capcom and others run their franchises into the ground before people stop buying them? How long does it take for a company to ruin its reputation? Because for all the copies that RE5 sold, you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of people that actually enjoyed it. This model is not very sustainable.
Mmm, yeah, Monster Hunter. Forgot about that one. That's another cash cow isn't it? Good point.
Thing is, Monster Hunter is astro-fucking-nomically huge in Japan but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people over here in the US that give a damn about it. It's just not that huge here, is it?
For perspective, consider that Monster Hunter as a series has sold 18 million copies as of June of last year (source: wiki of course). That sounds great, but that's over the course of 15 games. Unless it's just talking about the main series entries, in which case it's over the course of 6 games. Either way, that's no where NEAR the kind of sales Capcom gets from Resident Evil and Street Fighter. Not even close.
So yeah, I mean, you raise an interesting point, but I think the numbers continue to bear out what I'm saying, especially when we look at it from a North American standpoint.
Thing is, Monster Hunter is astro-fucking-nomically huge in Japan but I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people over here in the US that give a damn about it. It's just not that huge here, is it?
For perspective, consider that Monster Hunter as a series has sold 18 million copies as of June of last year (source: wiki of course). That sounds great, but that's over the course of 15 games. Unless it's just talking about the main series entries, in which case it's over the course of 6 games. Either way, that's no where NEAR the kind of sales Capcom gets from Resident Evil and Street Fighter. Not even close.
So yeah, I mean, you raise an interesting point, but I think the numbers continue to bear out what I'm saying, especially when we look at it from a North American standpoint.
@Rev:
If anything, I think we're in a down-trend for the console market, but that's largely driven by the age of the consoles. This usually happens around now. The difference is that, interestingly, only Nintendo has really pushed the next generation... yet.
Overall, video games still have room to grow. The market is expanding globally (see: China, most especially), and demographics potentially interested in gaming are expanding year-by-year.
However.. what does the endless stream of action games have to do with this? Nothing really. Even if action games provided a lot of revenue to the industry, they also soak up a huge chunk of its investment. Overall, I think it's a wash. Do not rush to thank Call of Duty for Minecraft. Do not thank Battlefield for Portal 2.
If anything, I think we're in a down-trend for the console market, but that's largely driven by the age of the consoles. This usually happens around now. The difference is that, interestingly, only Nintendo has really pushed the next generation... yet.
Overall, video games still have room to grow. The market is expanding globally (see: China, most especially), and demographics potentially interested in gaming are expanding year-by-year.
However.. what does the endless stream of action games have to do with this? Nothing really. Even if action games provided a lot of revenue to the industry, they also soak up a huge chunk of its investment. Overall, I think it's a wash. Do not rush to thank Call of Duty for Minecraft. Do not thank Battlefield for Portal 2.
Im fine with the way RE has gone, just as long as it kind of hangs onto the horror atmosphere. Do people not remember how fucking stale the series had gotten by the time of Code Veronica? RE4 was such a great breath of fresh air, and was barely a survival game.
@Chris Carter
By critically acclaimed I meant professional review AND fan reception.
Its the fan reception part that pushes it way over the top
By critically acclaimed I meant professional review AND fan reception.
Its the fan reception part that pushes it way over the top
"Either way, that's no where NEAR the kind of sales Capcom gets from Resident Evil and Street Fighter. Not even close. "
According to Capcom's website, Monster Hunter Freedom 3 is their 4th best selling game of all time. The top three: Street Fighter 2, RE 5, and RE 2. RE 4 would be about tied with RE 5 if they combined all of its releases together.
According to Capcom's website, Monster Hunter Freedom 3 is their 4th best selling game of all time. The top three: Street Fighter 2, RE 5, and RE 2. RE 4 would be about tied with RE 5 if they combined all of its releases together.
"RE4 was such a great breath of fresh air, and was barely a survival game." - I still think the most memorable moments of RE4 were in the first few hours, and those hours were largely survival horror.
@Chris
"If the vast majority of Capcom's coffers are coming from only two franchises, it needs a new business strategy. But I don't think that's the case."
Isn't it?
Isn't that EXACTLY how it is for most Western publishers? I mean, you can argue about the sustainability of that model all you like, but it's working so far.
@killias
"You would be right if I cared about anything Capcom has produced lately. Instead, it's all been, for the most part, shallow crap. The games I'm interested in.. get cancelled. It's lose lose here. More senseless CoD-clones. Less fun games."
That, I totally understand. It seems like Capcom wants to become a Western developer, doesn't it? Similar business practices, similar design philosophies, etc. I'm not sure how I feel about that either. Frankly I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese game industry and tend to agree with whats-his-ass the Fez developer, but that's just me. Opinions, and all that.
@Rev
"The market for games has to shrink eventually though. I can't see this being a perpetual thing where studios are churning out hundreds of games a year and only a dozen or so are actually making a profit. It seems as though there's some kind of video game bubble with too many games and not enough people willing to buy them."
Maybe. I dunno. I'm no analyst (despite how analytical I'm being here). I think we should all hope you're wrong though, because if you're right, which games do you think stop getting made? It's certainly not going to be the military shooters, is it? It's going to be those fun, interesting, quirky titles we enthusiasts love playing but everyone else doesn't bother with.
Thank god for Kickstarter, at least.
"If the vast majority of Capcom's coffers are coming from only two franchises, it needs a new business strategy. But I don't think that's the case."
Isn't it?
Isn't that EXACTLY how it is for most Western publishers? I mean, you can argue about the sustainability of that model all you like, but it's working so far.
@killias
"You would be right if I cared about anything Capcom has produced lately. Instead, it's all been, for the most part, shallow crap. The games I'm interested in.. get cancelled. It's lose lose here. More senseless CoD-clones. Less fun games."
That, I totally understand. It seems like Capcom wants to become a Western developer, doesn't it? Similar business practices, similar design philosophies, etc. I'm not sure how I feel about that either. Frankly I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese game industry and tend to agree with whats-his-ass the Fez developer, but that's just me. Opinions, and all that.
@Rev
"The market for games has to shrink eventually though. I can't see this being a perpetual thing where studios are churning out hundreds of games a year and only a dozen or so are actually making a profit. It seems as though there's some kind of video game bubble with too many games and not enough people willing to buy them."
Maybe. I dunno. I'm no analyst (despite how analytical I'm being here). I think we should all hope you're wrong though, because if you're right, which games do you think stop getting made? It's certainly not going to be the military shooters, is it? It's going to be those fun, interesting, quirky titles we enthusiasts love playing but everyone else doesn't bother with.
Thank god for Kickstarter, at least.
Rev get's it. There are literally not enough customers to make every game that is released nowadays successful. Combine that with people who are waking up from buying brand new games only to have it go to the growing backlog as soon as another new hot title drops, and the market is going to be in real trouble in the near future.
@killias
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html
Total sales by franchise, Monster Hunter is less than half that of Resident Evil. Still impressive and probably should be considered alongside RE and SF and that's my oversight for not mentioning it in the first place, but still. Less than half.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html
Total sales by franchise, Monster Hunter is less than half that of Resident Evil. Still impressive and probably should be considered alongside RE and SF and that's my oversight for not mentioning it in the first place, but still. Less than half.
"That, I totally understand. It seems like Capcom wants to become a Western developer, doesn't it? Similar business practices, similar design philosophies, etc. I'm not sure how I feel about that either. Frankly I'm not a huge fan of the Japanese game industry and tend to agree with whats-his-ass the Fez developer, but that's just me. Opinions, and all that. "
To be fair, not all western developers are like this, and the ones that are tend to fall into two camps: 1. You're Treyarch, Zombie Infinity Ward or DICE. Congrats! You've successfully cloned IW's MW games! 2. You're everyone else who basically fails utterly.
Why Capcom feels the need to become a poor man's EA, I'm not sure. I honestly cannot see how this is in the company's best interest.
To be fair, not all western developers are like this, and the ones that are tend to fall into two camps: 1. You're Treyarch, Zombie Infinity Ward or DICE. Congrats! You've successfully cloned IW's MW games! 2. You're everyone else who basically fails utterly.
Why Capcom feels the need to become a poor man's EA, I'm not sure. I honestly cannot see how this is in the company's best interest.
Another prime example of how "Mainstream Shit" ruins things. But there you have it, trying to get sales like COD seems to be the priority and this is exactly why there is such a rise in indie development. Doing things for fun and creativity with a profit as just a side effect is a swell way to code.
@Tristix
Monster Hinter may not get huge numbers outside of Japan, but the last entry that wasn't a port (Monster Hunter Portable 3d) sold 4.7 million copies. That's almost as much RE 5. And considering the fact that Portable 3d was only released in one country and on one console (that's cheaper to develop for to boot) I'd hazard to say that Capcom probably made more money off of that than any other game they've made in recent memory.
Monster Hinter may not get huge numbers outside of Japan, but the last entry that wasn't a port (Monster Hunter Portable 3d) sold 4.7 million copies. That's almost as much RE 5. And considering the fact that Portable 3d was only released in one country and on one console (that's cheaper to develop for to boot) I'd hazard to say that Capcom probably made more money off of that than any other game they've made in recent memory.
"Total sales by franchise, Monster Hunter is less than half that of Resident Evil. Still impressive and probably should be considered alongside RE and SF and that's my oversight for not mentioning it in the first place, but still. Less than half."
Less than half.. but on 21 titles instead of 69. Also, the Monster Hunter series is younger. The first game came out in 2004. If you compare the games just since 2004, you get a much closer approximation.
Less than half.. but on 21 titles instead of 69. Also, the Monster Hunter series is younger. The first game came out in 2004. If you compare the games just since 2004, you get a much closer approximation.
@Tristix: isn't that what's already happening though? Games are becoming riskier and riskier propositions. Only 20% of them ever make a profit. We're seeing a lot of "quirky" titles flopping and brand-name titles conforming to mass marketed guidelines in order to sell as many copies as possible. What if it's already happening, and RE6 is just an effect, not a cause? It didn't use to be like this -- not until they saw the billions of dollars that could be made.
You'd never see a game like Parasite Eve made in today's market. If it was, it'd flop like El Sheddai or Enslaved. Everything is being reduced to lowest common denominator as demand is being regauged. Studios are figuring out that they can't make money off of these titles, that a survival horror game can't sell in this market, that they greatly overestimated the demand for these projects.
I can't find a good way to look at this article. Even when I flip it over, I just see bad news.
@killias: I'm referring specifically to the U.S. console market.
You'd never see a game like Parasite Eve made in today's market. If it was, it'd flop like El Sheddai or Enslaved. Everything is being reduced to lowest common denominator as demand is being regauged. Studios are figuring out that they can't make money off of these titles, that a survival horror game can't sell in this market, that they greatly overestimated the demand for these projects.
I can't find a good way to look at this article. Even when I flip it over, I just see bad news.
@killias: I'm referring specifically to the U.S. console market.
"Rev get's it. There are literally not enough customers to make every game that is released nowadays successful. Combine that with people who are waking up from buying brand new games only to have it go to the growing backlog as soon as another new hot title drops, and the market is going to be in real trouble in the near future."
The 'backlog' is really only a feature of a small set of hardcore gamers. While I do not expect those hardcore gamers to go anywhere for some time to come, I also don't think they make up a terribly large part of the overall gaming market. The gaming market still has plenty of room to grow, and, once new consoles get dropped, I'm guessing we'll see a few years of rather large growth.
The 'backlog' is really only a feature of a small set of hardcore gamers. While I do not expect those hardcore gamers to go anywhere for some time to come, I also don't think they make up a terribly large part of the overall gaming market. The gaming market still has plenty of room to grow, and, once new consoles get dropped, I'm guessing we'll see a few years of rather large growth.
I don't understand all the complaining about Resident Evil. Resident Evil actually became better since 4. The controls for the classic Resident Evil games were fuckin terrible. Resident Evil 4 and 5 had plenty of scary moments. And as good as Dead Space 2 is, its just a bunch of cheap scares. It even plays like the newer Resident Evil games.
@Wolfy
That's a good point too. I'm still not convinced that it's something a major publisher can bank on, though. It strikes me as a Minecraft-style lightning in a bottle effect. Right place, right time. Ya know? I mean how long can a publisher expect to get by making games for an 8 year old portable and ignoring the rest of the world outside of their little island?
I don't mean to be dismissive of Monster Hunter, and I'm probably coming off that way here. I'm not a fan but I do get how staggeringly huge it is in Japan. I just don't think it's something Capcom can continue to rely on as a cash cow like they can SF and RE, unless they somehow manage to make it the next Angry Birds and translate the gameplay to mobile devices.
That's a good point too. I'm still not convinced that it's something a major publisher can bank on, though. It strikes me as a Minecraft-style lightning in a bottle effect. Right place, right time. Ya know? I mean how long can a publisher expect to get by making games for an 8 year old portable and ignoring the rest of the world outside of their little island?
I don't mean to be dismissive of Monster Hunter, and I'm probably coming off that way here. I'm not a fan but I do get how staggeringly huge it is in Japan. I just don't think it's something Capcom can continue to rely on as a cash cow like they can SF and RE, unless they somehow manage to make it the next Angry Birds and translate the gameplay to mobile devices.
"I'm referring specifically to the U.S. console market."
So am I. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2011/07/usaspend.jpg - U.S. console spending is down from 2010, which was down from 2009. However, once new consoles are out, it'll jump back up to probably around 11-12 billion dollars a year. Maybe higher.
"Everything is being reduced to lowest common denominator as demand is being regauged. Studios are figuring out that they can't make money off of these titles, that a survival horror game can't sell in this market, that they greatly overestimated the demand for these projects. "
Buy a PC.
So am I. http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2011/07/usaspend.jpg - U.S. console spending is down from 2010, which was down from 2009. However, once new consoles are out, it'll jump back up to probably around 11-12 billion dollars a year. Maybe higher.
"Everything is being reduced to lowest common denominator as demand is being regauged. Studios are figuring out that they can't make money off of these titles, that a survival horror game can't sell in this market, that they greatly overestimated the demand for these projects. "
Buy a PC.
@killias: None of those claims can be definitively proven though. I know plenty of people who are not "hardcore" gamers who have backlogs of their own. But at this point, the conversation becomes mere hearsay and, ultimately, moot.
The fact is that a lot of games are being made, and only a few of them are actually making bank. Too much supply, not enough demand. We can't keep going at this rate. Even with a new console, there's still a fundamental problem of too many companies producing software at too high a volume.
The fact is that a lot of games are being made, and only a few of them are actually making bank. Too much supply, not enough demand. We can't keep going at this rate. Even with a new console, there's still a fundamental problem of too many companies producing software at too high a volume.
"I don't mean to be dismissive of Monster Hunter, and I'm probably coming off that way here. I'm not a fan but I do get how staggeringly huge it is in Japan. I just don't think it's something Capcom can continue to rely on as a cash cow like they can SF and RE, unless they somehow manage to make it the next Angry Birds and translate the gameplay to mobile devices."
Monster Hunter already has 2/3rds of the home sales that Street Fighter has had, despite being around for about 1/3rd the time. I think it's safe to say that this is going to be a big source of cash for Capcom for some time to come.
Monster Hunter already has 2/3rds of the home sales that Street Fighter has had, despite being around for about 1/3rd the time. I think it's safe to say that this is going to be a big source of cash for Capcom for some time to come.
Let's make everything like CoD so gamers buy the same game all over again from different devs. Seems legit.
exactly. shootes have ruined other game series. I know they make games to make money, but all the best Resident evils were the originals because they had scary gameplay and great stories. now its all lets run around and shoot zombies/infected people and who cares about the rest. Sure I liked RE 4 and 5, but their stories were lame and severely lacking. Whatever, they know they've got my money cuz I buy all things Resident evil. You win Capcom.
@killias
"Buy a PC."
This. Ya know, though... I think all this bullshit we're yammering about here is fixable if any of the big three consoles grow some balls and go open platform next gen. I don't think it's a pipe dream either. I could actually see that happening.
And if they don't, Valve will. I'd put money on it.
"Buy a PC."
This. Ya know, though... I think all this bullshit we're yammering about here is fixable if any of the big three consoles grow some balls and go open platform next gen. I don't think it's a pipe dream either. I could actually see that happening.
And if they don't, Valve will. I'd put money on it.
@killias - what on Earth are you even basing such a projection off of? Not to say you can't be right, but it seems like you're just weaving numbers from the tips of your fingers.
And you were talking about international growth and China -- that really didn't pertain to what I was talking about. I was talking specifically about the U.S. market.
And you were talking about international growth and China -- that really didn't pertain to what I was talking about. I was talking specifically about the U.S. market.
@Stealth Resident Evil 5 is critically acclaimed. The only ”fans” bitching about it are the ppl on the internet that cry because its not like the ”classic” Resident Evil games. They would rather have tank like controls for the definitive classic resident evil experience. I can understand wanting to go back to Raccoon City, but as long as the game is good, Capcom can keep doing what they're doing. Also, CoD can't be blamed for this change. CoD didn't get super popular til the original Modern Warfare. RE4 came out like 3 years before that at least.
*crosses RE6 off of must buy list*
If it's basically like RE5 with even more action, I'll gladly wait for it to drop in price or just pick it up used. This is disappointing, but certainly not surprising.
If it's basically like RE5 with even more action, I'll gladly wait for it to drop in price or just pick it up used. This is disappointing, but certainly not surprising.
It's bull because from what I can gather most of the fans DO want RE to return to it's roots and be more survival horror, they're basically telling people who are asking "No, you won't buy it if we do" and then sulking in a corner. Going for the COD fans won't work x.x
- No mml3
- Resident evil being turned into gow from here on out.
- Resident evil being turned into left 4dead.
- cashcow fighting games (I'm waiting for them to make you pay for super moves. Did you like the fireball? Well why not buy the dragon punch move for ryu for 3 dollars!)
-no other Mega man on the horizon.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how people still love this company. Meh.
- Resident evil being turned into gow from here on out.
- Resident evil being turned into left 4dead.
- cashcow fighting games (I'm waiting for them to make you pay for super moves. Did you like the fireball? Well why not buy the dragon punch move for ryu for 3 dollars!)
-no other Mega man on the horizon.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how people still love this company. Meh.
@Tristix
"I mean how long can a publisher expect to get by making games for an 8 year old portable"
Nintendo has been making games for dated hardware for the past 10 years and they'd made more money than any other videogame publisher on the planet.
Call of Duty has been running on the same dated modified id Tech 4 engine for god knows how long now and it's the biggest FPS since forever.
Skylanders uses fucking action figures, few concepts are more outdated than action figures. That game has turned into a huge franchise now.
"I mean how long can a publisher expect to get by making games for an 8 year old portable"
Nintendo has been making games for dated hardware for the past 10 years and they'd made more money than any other videogame publisher on the planet.
Call of Duty has been running on the same dated modified id Tech 4 engine for god knows how long now and it's the biggest FPS since forever.
Skylanders uses fucking action figures, few concepts are more outdated than action figures. That game has turned into a huge franchise now.
"...believes Resident Evil 6 needs to be more of an action game to perform satisfactorily at retail. "
Oh. You're only worried about sales and not quality or creativity? Well thanks for making my decision easy Capcom!
*Crosses off RE6 off of "Shit To Buy" list.*
Oh. You're only worried about sales and not quality or creativity? Well thanks for making my decision easy Capcom!
*Crosses off RE6 off of "Shit To Buy" list.*
So what you're telling me, Capcom, is that I should buy Silent Hill Downpour instead. Thanks for the tip!
@Wolfy
Meh. These things are all beside the point imo but I'll address them anywho.
"Nintendo has been making games for dated hardware for the past 10 years and they'd made more money than any other videogame publisher on the planet"
Fair enough but I think we all know that Ninty gets away with things that no one else could, because they're Ninty. It really is amazing and you have to give them credit for it, but I don't think you can ever use them as an example for anything anyone else should do. It would never work for anyone else.
"Call of Duty has been running on the same dated modified id Tech 4 engine for god knows how long now and it's the biggest FPS since forever."
See, now this is one of those things that people who hate CoD like to bring up as an argument for why the games suck. It just not true. Or rather, it's a heavy manipulation of the truth. There's a lot more to it than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IW_Engine
"Skylanders uses fucking action figures, few concepts are more outdated than action figures. That game has turned into a huge franchise now."
That's a gross oversimplification, don't you think? What Activision did there is nothing short of genius, but it's also not very different from a lot of other combinations of toys with other media we've seen in the not so distant past. Lego Bionicle comes to mind.
Meh. These things are all beside the point imo but I'll address them anywho.
"Nintendo has been making games for dated hardware for the past 10 years and they'd made more money than any other videogame publisher on the planet"
Fair enough but I think we all know that Ninty gets away with things that no one else could, because they're Ninty. It really is amazing and you have to give them credit for it, but I don't think you can ever use them as an example for anything anyone else should do. It would never work for anyone else.
"Call of Duty has been running on the same dated modified id Tech 4 engine for god knows how long now and it's the biggest FPS since forever."
See, now this is one of those things that people who hate CoD like to bring up as an argument for why the games suck. It just not true. Or rather, it's a heavy manipulation of the truth. There's a lot more to it than that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IW_Engine
"Skylanders uses fucking action figures, few concepts are more outdated than action figures. That game has turned into a huge franchise now."
That's a gross oversimplification, don't you think? What Activision did there is nothing short of genius, but it's also not very different from a lot of other combinations of toys with other media we've seen in the not so distant past. Lego Bionicle comes to mind.
At this point only thing I want is to action games to crash and burn so hard that they die off for a decade.
This mentality is exactly what's killing the gaming industry. Following the herd of (generic shooter) instead of making your own games, good games that distinguish themselves from the rest.
"Fugly Duckling
"...believes Resident Evil 6 needs to be more of an action game to perform satisfactorily at retail. "
Oh. You're only worried about sales and not quality or creativity? Well thanks for making my decision easy Capcom!
*Crosses off RE6 off of "Shit To Buy" list.*"
QFT!
"...believes Resident Evil 6 needs to be more of an action game to perform satisfactorily at retail. "
Oh. You're only worried about sales and not quality or creativity? Well thanks for making my decision easy Capcom!
*Crosses off RE6 off of "Shit To Buy" list.*"
QFT!
"This mentality is exactly what's killing the gaming industry. Following the herd of (generic shooter) instead of making your own games, good games that distinguish themselves from the rest."
I don't think this is killing the industry, but it doesn't seem to do any favors for the companies that follow this philosophy. I mean, honestly, besides CoD/MW and Battlefield, is there even another success story here?
Listen. Game publishers. Just because X company makes Z billion dollars on Y genre, doesn't mean that -all- games of Y genre will make Z billion dollars.
I don't think this is killing the industry, but it doesn't seem to do any favors for the companies that follow this philosophy. I mean, honestly, besides CoD/MW and Battlefield, is there even another success story here?
Listen. Game publishers. Just because X company makes Z billion dollars on Y genre, doesn't mean that -all- games of Y genre will make Z billion dollars.
@Tristix
I knew you'd say that about Nintendo. Honestly, I don't believe that. I wish I could recall examples that disprove that, but so few attempt to take the risks that Nintendo does that I can't think of anything right now.
Regarding COD, let me just clarify that I thoroughly enjoy the franchise and hold no grudge against it. But no matter how many improvements and modifications IW makes, it doesn't change the fact that CoD uses a pretty old ass engine. Just like Valve still uses Source. Honestly though, I see nothing wrong with that. The games still look and run good.
And I know my Skylanders comment was an oversimplification, but it's to reinforce the point I'm trying to make. You can use old technologies/concepts in new ways, no matter how antiquated they may seem.
My main point still stands: you don't need a blockbuster budget to make a blockbuster game.
I knew you'd say that about Nintendo. Honestly, I don't believe that. I wish I could recall examples that disprove that, but so few attempt to take the risks that Nintendo does that I can't think of anything right now.
Regarding COD, let me just clarify that I thoroughly enjoy the franchise and hold no grudge against it. But no matter how many improvements and modifications IW makes, it doesn't change the fact that CoD uses a pretty old ass engine. Just like Valve still uses Source. Honestly though, I see nothing wrong with that. The games still look and run good.
And I know my Skylanders comment was an oversimplification, but it's to reinforce the point I'm trying to make. You can use old technologies/concepts in new ways, no matter how antiquated they may seem.
My main point still stands: you don't need a blockbuster budget to make a blockbuster game.
More like revelations and I can deal. I think. Forced co op with stupid ai? Nope. Hella sad panda about this, but that hot girl from high school I used to love, just got fat and shat out two white trash babies. Oh well, other fish in the sea.
It genuinely astounds me that at a point in gaming where more people are flocking to indie games than ever before, just looking to pick out the diamonds in the rough and support them because they have great creativity and deserve to be rewarded, we have a major force in the gaming world claiming they have to pander harder, to survive.
Hey Toys for Bob created Skylanders. Activision is just the farmer milking the cash cow. Credit where its due. Truly a genius (from a business standpoint) idea.
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