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Controls mean little in this regard. tank controls or action controls, as long as it fits the game I don't mind. It's atmosphere I'm concerned with and that is what resident evil has effectively destroyed for me. Every character I play feels like a black ops super soldier capable of punching through walls and I no longer feel a sense of dread when rounding a corner.
It's just not frightening anymore.
It's just not frightening anymore.
Tristrix has a valid point about "B" games funding the AAA stuff. If you have any industry knowledge whatsoever, you'd know that this has been going on in the movie industry FOREVER.
Ever notice how many shitty movies release each year in comparison to AAA blockbusters? It's because studios simply cannot afford to release nothing but blockbusters, so they have to produce popcorn sellers to maintain funding for the really good stuff.
It's the same thing in the video game industry... only reversed. AAA games make a real profit allowing companies leeway to experiment. The problem is Eastern developers don't experiment a whole lot anymore. They stick to tradition and franchises. While niche games may be some of the most interesting games out there, they simply don't move enough units to keep a mega publisher like Capcom afloat, so they don't bother trying anymore.
Whether you agree or not, money doesn't lie.
More on topic, fuck Capcom. I can't stomach RE anymore, there's just too much over the top anime bullshit going on. Resident Evil is dead, long live Dead Space.
Ever notice how many shitty movies release each year in comparison to AAA blockbusters? It's because studios simply cannot afford to release nothing but blockbusters, so they have to produce popcorn sellers to maintain funding for the really good stuff.
It's the same thing in the video game industry... only reversed. AAA games make a real profit allowing companies leeway to experiment. The problem is Eastern developers don't experiment a whole lot anymore. They stick to tradition and franchises. While niche games may be some of the most interesting games out there, they simply don't move enough units to keep a mega publisher like Capcom afloat, so they don't bother trying anymore.
Whether you agree or not, money doesn't lie.
More on topic, fuck Capcom. I can't stomach RE anymore, there's just too much over the top anime bullshit going on. Resident Evil is dead, long live Dead Space.
Wow, what a disappointment, I was expecting a new RE in the likes of RE4, I didn't liked RE5 that much because of that, it was more action oriented than survival. Oh well, my hype for this game is gone.
Capcom is forfeiting its original vision for the series for the sake of money? Well, so much for "artistic integrity."
@neph
Nope. Not at all.
"He conceded that Resident Evil doesn't need to be a straight action game, and the goal is to have games that retain the series' identity"
Nope. Not at all.
"He conceded that Resident Evil doesn't need to be a straight action game, and the goal is to have games that retain the series' identity"
@tekbunny you would rather play a game with shit controls with a scary atmosphere. Ultimately, gameplay is the most important aspect of a game. Give me good, fun controls all day.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOW Capcom. Wow. Wow. just... wow. I mean, I really hate the corporate mindset that all of these companies have taken up recently.
Activision: Sell you the same game 5 years in a row with minor changes at $60 each.
Ubisoft: PC gamers are thieves so to protect our sales we hurt the customers by giving drm that makes the product inferior to what you can get for free by pirating.
Capcom: No MegaMan Legends 3, Resident Evil will never return to it's roots, we're gonna make fighting games and tons of DLC and then we're gonna release the same game with a couple new things and call it "Super-" whatever you just bought so that you might go and buy it again.
EA: Origin spyware, try to defeat Activision by copying them or "stealing" CoD's audience even in genre's that aren't shooters.
It overall seems like too much looking at charts and graphs and saying "This sells nowadays" or "We need to make the most money by cutting out this". Gone are the days of artistic freedom in the industry, as evident here.
Activision: Sell you the same game 5 years in a row with minor changes at $60 each.
Ubisoft: PC gamers are thieves so to protect our sales we hurt the customers by giving drm that makes the product inferior to what you can get for free by pirating.
Capcom: No MegaMan Legends 3, Resident Evil will never return to it's roots, we're gonna make fighting games and tons of DLC and then we're gonna release the same game with a couple new things and call it "Super-" whatever you just bought so that you might go and buy it again.
EA: Origin spyware, try to defeat Activision by copying them or "stealing" CoD's audience even in genre's that aren't shooters.
It overall seems like too much looking at charts and graphs and saying "This sells nowadays" or "We need to make the most money by cutting out this". Gone are the days of artistic freedom in the industry, as evident here.
@Tristrix
I could have sworn Resident Evil identified itself as a survival horror series. You can only push the action so far before you lose that, and RE5 was already one step over the line.
I could have sworn Resident Evil identified itself as a survival horror series. You can only push the action so far before you lose that, and RE5 was already one step over the line.
"survival horror is too small a market for the very franchise that popularized it"
Are you shitting me?
"believes Resident Evil 6 needs to be more of an action game to perform satisfactorily at retail."
Translation: We want to make money like Cock of Doody did.
Are you shitting me?
"believes Resident Evil 6 needs to be more of an action game to perform satisfactorily at retail."
Translation: We want to make money like Cock of Doody did.
People buy Call of Duty for action.
I used to buy Resident Evil for survival horror.
I hope they realize they've alienated a part of their fan base by changing what once was good and golden.
I used to buy Resident Evil for survival horror.
I hope they realize they've alienated a part of their fan base by changing what once was good and golden.
@EDOfying Films
I think that's the point, that Capcom want a part of the Call of Duty action crowd pie, theres a lot more gold to be made with the itchy trigger finger crowd!
I think that's the point, that Capcom want a part of the Call of Duty action crowd pie, theres a lot more gold to be made with the itchy trigger finger crowd!
What about DEAD SPACE?! That's still definitely survival horror and it's highly successful. Or, hell, what about your own damn Resident Evil: Revelations?! Fans and critics have poured love and support for that game; it's sold very well.
Newsflash: NO game has Call of Duty's sales numbers. Don't chase after the market that already is tapped; cater your game to the market eager to buy something in the genre they love and adore.
Hell, Wii Sports sold more than Resident Evil games in the past. Should we turned the franchise into a family-friendly party game?
Newsflash: NO game has Call of Duty's sales numbers. Don't chase after the market that already is tapped; cater your game to the market eager to buy something in the genre they love and adore.
Hell, Wii Sports sold more than Resident Evil games in the past. Should we turned the franchise into a family-friendly party game?
@Garlador
No, Dead Space is the very definition of action-horror. There is nothing survival about it. After a few upgrades Isaac is basically a walking tank. It's a very good game, but action-horror nonetheless.
RE4 best walked the line between action and survival, and that should be tone Capcom is aiming for, not father in the direction of RE5 and Dead Space. RE deserves its own identity. It shouldn't be another "me too" action game with zombies.
No, Dead Space is the very definition of action-horror. There is nothing survival about it. After a few upgrades Isaac is basically a walking tank. It's a very good game, but action-horror nonetheless.
RE4 best walked the line between action and survival, and that should be tone Capcom is aiming for, not father in the direction of RE5 and Dead Space. RE deserves its own identity. It shouldn't be another "me too" action game with zombies.
such a fucking shame, like others said they could make a huge surprise by making this even more scarier and closer to the original 3(plus 0 and Code Veronica)
i mean they have the name "Resident Evil" and "Biohazard" im sure people will recognize that through brand name, and went they do surprise everyone, the interest will suddenly sky rocketed and it might encourage other developers to purse this genre.
oh well at least i have my Deadly Premonition :P
i mean they have the name "Resident Evil" and "Biohazard" im sure people will recognize that through brand name, and went they do surprise everyone, the interest will suddenly sky rocketed and it might encourage other developers to purse this genre.
oh well at least i have my Deadly Premonition :P
Resident Evil has not been associated with survival horror for some time now, so a no brainer there. Resident Evil's sense of horror was more than targeted to the awful control scheme they used in the original games, where you had to try and figure out how to fucking move, like to fucking move in any direction never mind how to combat the fuckers who try to kill your character. It was like Heavy Rain but with no input demands to show you but real simplified and still as shit. RE series has always been overated, until RE4 which I did enjoy and it held a sense of horror. It seemed like it was made by someone that understood the atmosphere in what makes horror work. But the best of horror can be seen in Dead Space 1, Doom 3, Amnesia to name but a few. Resident Evil should be horror based, to go the way of COD is a fucking lazy way of doing things and only underlines the fact that Capcom has lost its way and it purely a corporate owned company now with obvious shit corporate decisions being made.
RE4 wasn't really a true success people! It's enjoyed fairly modest sales across all the platforms it's available for, and it took a long time to sell what it has. I'm pretty sure RE5 sold more in it's first 2 weeks than the GameCube and PS2 versions of RE4 combined.
It's just not Resident Evil any more, much like how the Resident Evil movies were never Resident Evil to begin with. I'm actually starting to get tired of playing video games.
With that said, I think I might be skipping Resident Evil 6. I thought 5 was awful and I guess that 6 will probably be even worse.
@fps
No, I didn't say I'd rather, i said it depends. Controls are subjective to the game. I liked re4 and dead space just fine.
Stop getting all butthurt that I don't like your game for legitimate reasons. It happens dude.
No, I didn't say I'd rather, i said it depends. Controls are subjective to the game. I liked re4 and dead space just fine.
Stop getting all butthurt that I don't like your game for legitimate reasons. It happens dude.
I wish companies would stop trying to get "Call of Duty numbers".
You know what gets those numbers? CALL OF DUTY, its in the minds of gamers, its built in a way that it appeals to as many people as humanly possible, Capcom stuff will NEVER sell that many copies.
You know what gets those numbers? CALL OF DUTY, its in the minds of gamers, its built in a way that it appeals to as many people as humanly possible, Capcom stuff will NEVER sell that many copies.
@Trist
"I really do hate to see survival horror become niche, because it's one of my favorite genres."
I really do get what your dishing out man, but it was already niche before it fell into being a hard sell.
@Article
I want to say "bullshit" because I'm a lifelong fan of the old ways but I'm sure they're right about this one. Honestly though I'm still failing to see why the games couldn't be as action oriented as they are without letting up on the suspense. All the holes are there, all you need to do is plug stuff into them.
"I really do hate to see survival horror become niche, because it's one of my favorite genres."
I really do get what your dishing out man, but it was already niche before it fell into being a hard sell.
@Article
I want to say "bullshit" because I'm a lifelong fan of the old ways but I'm sure they're right about this one. Honestly though I'm still failing to see why the games couldn't be as action oriented as they are without letting up on the suspense. All the holes are there, all you need to do is plug stuff into them.
this actually pretty disappointing... i have been playing RE: 4 and the original lately and i was hoping that RE:6 was goin to return to its roots.... but oh well, i guess ill just have to play Code Veronica X again....
Hardly surprising, but ultimately disappointing to hear that thy want to go the action route. Although there's obviously things people wouldn't accept from survival horror, fixed camera angles and to an extent tank controls, I think a game can still have the spirit of survival horror and make concessions to modern gaming. I still feel that Revelations is the best Resi game I've played since 4, and it puts the rock-punching ridiculousness of Resi 5 to shame in terms of atmosphere, music and just sheer fun.
People are somehow still under the impression that Capcom cares about what you want or that they give a shit about making their fans happy?
all horror games suck because, who gets scared from a fucking videogame???? i have played many horror games and all of them suck ass, especially the RE games. the last two RE were complete bullshit with its bastardize action-horror controls that were shit. if they make a game with tight controls like COD, i may give this game a try. also if it has some online that would be great. but please no more fucking action-horror-shitt controls capcom!!!
@THEvalrog Actually a lot of people get scared shitless from horror video games. Hell I know people who are afraid to play Dead Space. But I'm guessing you're just being a plain ol' troll.
Unfortunately he's right. A good survival game, Dead Space sold, what, 1, 2 mil? When COD sells 20 mil that's hard to ignore. I wish though that game companies could except that not everything is going to be a 30mil seller and just make awesome games.
Disappointing, but not surprising.
Just take a look at how the gaming industry has behaved the last couple of years and you will see an obvious trend. And I am talking about the industry as a whole.
Just to note a few key words: Motion control, 3D, MMO, Free-to-play, Casual market
Just think about these topics and look up/think about how the industry has reacted to them in the last 5 years.
Just take a look at how the gaming industry has behaved the last couple of years and you will see an obvious trend. And I am talking about the industry as a whole.
Just to note a few key words: Motion control, 3D, MMO, Free-to-play, Casual market
Just think about these topics and look up/think about how the industry has reacted to them in the last 5 years.
So, the argument here is that survival horror games have too small a market because they sell less than call of duty?
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
"Compared to Call of Duty" ? What is going on in his mind ? It is like comparing my dick to sterlings' that's a no win situation.
"A 'survival horror' Resident Evil doesn't seem like it'd be able to sell those kind of numbers"
He should get a job in bank or something.
"A 'survival horror' Resident Evil doesn't seem like it'd be able to sell those kind of numbers"
He should get a job in bank or something.
@Tristrix In the Resistance map, you don't even have to zoom in or stand next to a wall that you can tell that the wall textures look horrible (and the cars literally look like NASCAR decals). It doesn't chagne the fact that theyr'e still using an VERY old engine. Be cool if Activision secretly hired a dedicated software team that is able to pull off amazing textures while retaining 60FPS within the limitations of the consoles by now. You'd think with making more money then god, you would think MW3 would have been the most polished game on earth (which it isn't)...if the top dog still can't fix the issues that have been pestering the series in the last 4 years, what the hell should we expect from future shooters? Is this it? Do we have to keep suffering these flaws these devs seem to be unable or won't fix? Why did Epic Games able to produce the most polished MP game in 2011 (Gears 3) after starting this unpolished MP experience trend(Gears 2)? If the number one game can't fix it's problems despite all the money in the world, we need to start demanding better perfection out of these multiplayer games or reevaluate of what we want from a MP game.
Jesus, I've gone off-topic.
Jesus, I've gone off-topic.
I think they're right to some extent, broadly speaking audiences don't want pure horror in games, it's too slow paced, too tense, they just want a little atmosphere and lots of action. That's what sells millions.
That said, just because Capcom has steered away from pure horror in their main titles doesn't mean they couldn't have tried to make a few smaller scale RE titles that were more horror-orientated and aimed for that niche of pure horror fans. They've avoided that mostly because they seem more interested in selling as much as possible of a game as opposed to targeting niche demographics, and that's about corporate strategy more than product viability.
That said, just because Capcom has steered away from pure horror in their main titles doesn't mean they couldn't have tried to make a few smaller scale RE titles that were more horror-orientated and aimed for that niche of pure horror fans. They've avoided that mostly because they seem more interested in selling as much as possible of a game as opposed to targeting niche demographics, and that's about corporate strategy more than product viability.
Translation: "We didn't want to make a new franchise to mimick Call of Duty, so we just turned our most popular franchise into it. Now give us teh moneyz".
Capcom is doomed. Once your market research deals with what they "think" people want... your company is finished.
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