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What need is there to keep your expectations in check when they're so low you can find dinosaur bones?
Translation: "We don't feel like spending any time or resources on this game. Our consumer's concerns are not our priority." Compare to Gearbox who gave one of their fans a eulogy at his funeral.
Hey! Nintendo still cares about Metroid! They gave it a minigame on Nintendo Land for its 25th anniv.!
Minigames justify missing out on an excellent anniversary, right?... RIGHT?!
Minigames justify missing out on an excellent anniversary, right?... RIGHT?!
Last generation: Geezus Capcom stop bombarding us with Mega Man games!
This generation: Y U NO MAKE MORE MEGAMAN GAMES CAPCOM!!!
They just can't please people can they?
This generation: Y U NO MAKE MORE MEGAMAN GAMES CAPCOM!!!
They just can't please people can they?
Translation: We know we have lots of passionate fans. However, we're too stupid to take their money.
@Watts even this generation had a year or two where there seemed to be a bunch of Mega Man games. It's really only the last couple years and the only reason they hurt so bad is because of the teasing we endured. We went from getting a much wanted sequel to a beloved series that stopped on a horrible cliff-hanger to being told we need to buy a demo to see if the game is even worth making (which is the entire reason I bought a freaking 3DS at launch instead of waiting) to it being cancelled and us not even getting the nearly completed Prototype Version.
Really just one game a year if they were Mega Man 9 & 10-esque (not meaning part of the Classic series, but something smaller and downloadable) or one big game every couple of years would be just fine for me. But nothing for a while and a freaking social RPG is not doing it for me or many other fans.
/rant
Really just one game a year if they were Mega Man 9 & 10-esque (not meaning part of the Classic series, but something smaller and downloadable) or one big game every couple of years would be just fine for me. But nothing for a while and a freaking social RPG is not doing it for me or many other fans.
/rant
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At this point, after the treatment of the fans and series as a whole over the past couple of years that others have been describing, I would love if the situation the Megaman series and the Breath of Fire series was swapped.
Absolutely nothing happening is better than how Capcom has been treating Megaman and the fans lately. At least in my opinion.
At this point, after the treatment of the fans and series as a whole over the past couple of years that others have been describing, I would love if the situation the Megaman series and the Breath of Fire series was swapped.
Absolutely nothing happening is better than how Capcom has been treating Megaman and the fans lately. At least in my opinion.
So.....yeah. Mega Man + Capcom....not really working out anymore. I can't expect anything good to come from them anymore when it involves the Mega Man franchise. Sorry, but they crushed my trust many times already, and I will not let that happen again. For that I mean, I do not expect another good "Mega Man" game from them anymore.
I expected a sign that Capcom still cares about Mega Man. I guess I should keep THOSE expectations in check, right Capcom?
Personally, I find Svensson's willingness to be absolutely honest with the consumers from his position (admittedly within the realm of not losing his job) absolutely refreshing and I'm glad that he has tried to engage the Capcom community with the developers despite the gap.
Unfortunately, it always seems to be for naught. Despite Capcom not having a history, unlike Sega, of developing games to mark a specific anniversary, people have recently come to expect that for some insane reason. They outsourced a port-job of classic Mega Man games to then-modern consoles for the last anniversary, as I recall.
But, of course, fans of Mega Man have every right to feel betrayed over slights real and perceived. In spite of Svensson and the Capcom-Unity blog, there is still a distinct gap between the community here and the developers abroad, one that is very difficult to cross. But, at the very least, let me provide you a counter-argument for why a rushed game to celebrate an anniversary is much worse than none at all:
Sonic the Hedgehog 2006. That is all.
Unfortunately, it always seems to be for naught. Despite Capcom not having a history, unlike Sega, of developing games to mark a specific anniversary, people have recently come to expect that for some insane reason. They outsourced a port-job of classic Mega Man games to then-modern consoles for the last anniversary, as I recall.
But, of course, fans of Mega Man have every right to feel betrayed over slights real and perceived. In spite of Svensson and the Capcom-Unity blog, there is still a distinct gap between the community here and the developers abroad, one that is very difficult to cross. But, at the very least, let me provide you a counter-argument for why a rushed game to celebrate an anniversary is much worse than none at all:
Sonic the Hedgehog 2006. That is all.
This is a perfect example of a developer not listening to their fans. People WANT another Mega Man game!!!! *guzzles beer*
It would take less effort for them to just make a good Mega Man game than it takes to keep the fans calm about not making a good Mega Man game.
@Cuppa Godot: I agree on all three.
I think this expectation of a great 25th anniversary would've come with or without Legends 3, but not this strongly. If it weren't for Legends 3, I doubt the fans would be demanding so much for Mega Man's 25th. They're just upset. Really upset. And they want reparations.
I don't blame them. Legends 3 was shaping up to be a great new thing for Mega Man and his fans, regardless of what naysayers think of the Legends series as a whole. Capcom ended up pulling the plug on it in the worst possible way: after four months of being jazzed up with the transparent Devroom campaign, after Keiji Inafune quit, and after the Prototype demo was already slated to be released on the eShop. It was a perfect disaster for the series, and it sent shockwaves across the entire franchise. Mega Man fans are definitely justified this real injury.
I think this expectation of a great 25th anniversary would've come with or without Legends 3, but not this strongly. If it weren't for Legends 3, I doubt the fans would be demanding so much for Mega Man's 25th. They're just upset. Really upset. And they want reparations.
I don't blame them. Legends 3 was shaping up to be a great new thing for Mega Man and his fans, regardless of what naysayers think of the Legends series as a whole. Capcom ended up pulling the plug on it in the worst possible way: after four months of being jazzed up with the transparent Devroom campaign, after Keiji Inafune quit, and after the Prototype demo was already slated to be released on the eShop. It was a perfect disaster for the series, and it sent shockwaves across the entire franchise. Mega Man fans are definitely justified this real injury.
@Cuppa Godot I like to pretend that clusterf*ck never happened. Thankfully, Sonic's 20th anniversary was treated with far more respect (yet, unfortunately, far fewer sales).
We'll likely have to wait another year or two to celebrate the old-and-blue bomber, but it'll likely be worth the wait.
We'll likely have to wait another year or two to celebrate the old-and-blue bomber, but it'll likely be worth the wait.
@Cuppa: Street Fighter 25th Anniversary Collection. Also, Street Fighter got for its 15th anniversary, uh, Street Fighter Anniversary Collection, as well as some sweet controllers that I definitely bought one of that has a holograph image of Ryu shooting a hadoken. That was a decade ago!? Holy shit, time flies.
And the Mega Man Anniversary Collection rules. Also, an anniversary doesn't require a new game. What Kirby's getting isn't a new game, but it's still plenty better than what Metroid got.
I think the problem started with Mega Man 9, and with Capcom having no clue what to do with the blue bomber. Granted Mega Man 9 was great for a number of reasons, but usually we want our game series to move forward, not backwards. See: Street Fighter IV. 10 didn't fare as well because the novelty of an NES-era Mega Man game during modern times had worn off quickly.
Legends 3 was a chance to push Mega Man forward again, and to add to a series that a lot of Mega Man fans wanted to see revived, and Capcom killed it dead. I'm guessing Inafune's leaving had everything to do with it, and the people that are saying that Legends 3 without him would have been a miserable affair are probably right, but after waiting so long for a sequel it's only natural that we'd be a bit angry.
Then they canceled Universe and all we've gotten in compensation is a cheap-looking cash-in for a cell phone I don't own that I wouldn't be looking forward to if I DID have any way to play it. I probably would have rather they hadn't tried at all over what we're actually getting, but then they barely seem to be trying in the first place.
I'd argue that the anniversary itself has little to do with it. It doesn't seem that the fans are going to get a decent Mega Man game anytime soon, and naturally after killing a highly-desired project like Legends 3 OF COURSE they're gonna be kinda pissed.
That's why whenever someone mentions Legends 3 I say fuck Capcom. There's plenty of other reasons to say it, but that's why I say it. I was looking forward to Mega Man Legends 3: Hostage Negotiation Edition, but we didn't even get that. :-/
And the Mega Man Anniversary Collection rules. Also, an anniversary doesn't require a new game. What Kirby's getting isn't a new game, but it's still plenty better than what Metroid got.
I think the problem started with Mega Man 9, and with Capcom having no clue what to do with the blue bomber. Granted Mega Man 9 was great for a number of reasons, but usually we want our game series to move forward, not backwards. See: Street Fighter IV. 10 didn't fare as well because the novelty of an NES-era Mega Man game during modern times had worn off quickly.
Legends 3 was a chance to push Mega Man forward again, and to add to a series that a lot of Mega Man fans wanted to see revived, and Capcom killed it dead. I'm guessing Inafune's leaving had everything to do with it, and the people that are saying that Legends 3 without him would have been a miserable affair are probably right, but after waiting so long for a sequel it's only natural that we'd be a bit angry.
Then they canceled Universe and all we've gotten in compensation is a cheap-looking cash-in for a cell phone I don't own that I wouldn't be looking forward to if I DID have any way to play it. I probably would have rather they hadn't tried at all over what we're actually getting, but then they barely seem to be trying in the first place.
I'd argue that the anniversary itself has little to do with it. It doesn't seem that the fans are going to get a decent Mega Man game anytime soon, and naturally after killing a highly-desired project like Legends 3 OF COURSE they're gonna be kinda pissed.
That's why whenever someone mentions Legends 3 I say fuck Capcom. There's plenty of other reasons to say it, but that's why I say it. I was looking forward to Mega Man Legends 3: Hostage Negotiation Edition, but we didn't even get that. :-/
@Lawman The 25th Anniversary Collection contains nothing new game-wise, and the Street Fighter 2 alterations are, to my memory, just a mix-and-match update to the game with nothing inherently new added to it, just the ability to play broken-ass vanilla SF2 Guile against everyone who doesn't outright break the game with tic throws to handcuffing to 100% re-dizzies.
(Wow, I just remembered how crappy the original SF2 was for balance. How far we've come.)
I agree that the cancellation of Legends 3 was a terrible thing to happen, but at the same token, besides footage from the prototype, we have no clear image as to the actual politicking involved. There's also the panic over the 3DS's future that was beginning to build into a very real panic at the same time, remember, and it may have more to do with that than anything else. All said, however, it's definitely one of those real slights I mentioned. And Universe was canceled first and looked awful. There was no surprise on that one getting canceled.
The quote makes it clear there are plans, and not just a simple "Hey, it's Rockman's 25th!" either. Maybe we'll see something collectors and fans will definitely want. We'll just have to wait until December to know for certain. It's good to be passionate about things you care for, but honestly, the vitriol aimed at this statement is disproportionate.
(Wow, I just remembered how crappy the original SF2 was for balance. How far we've come.)
I agree that the cancellation of Legends 3 was a terrible thing to happen, but at the same token, besides footage from the prototype, we have no clear image as to the actual politicking involved. There's also the panic over the 3DS's future that was beginning to build into a very real panic at the same time, remember, and it may have more to do with that than anything else. All said, however, it's definitely one of those real slights I mentioned. And Universe was canceled first and looked awful. There was no surprise on that one getting canceled.
The quote makes it clear there are plans, and not just a simple "Hey, it's Rockman's 25th!" either. Maybe we'll see something collectors and fans will definitely want. We'll just have to wait until December to know for certain. It's good to be passionate about things you care for, but honestly, the vitriol aimed at this statement is disproportionate.
I was mostly pointing out that they definitely do celebrate anniversaries for their series, sometimes with other games. Never claimed that any of those games/sets offered anything new gameplay-wise, which they don't. That said, I think I misinterpreted your statement as you saying that they don't celebrate anniversaries period. My mistake.
Universe was canceled after Legends 3 so far as I recall, and I guess I was the only one that was actually looking forward to it. Graphically it wasn't a stunner, but it looked similar to Powered Up!, and Universe felt like a spiritual successor to it as well, which is why I was sad to see it go. And you could play as Ryu! And Arthur!
As I said, this isn't the only reason that fans are pissed at Capcom, and those aren't the only ways that Mega Man's been slighted by them. I accepted that Mega Man wasn't in MVC 3, especially as the game still got two MM additions, but it was an odd omission regardless, and I got pretty salty when I saw BBA Mega Man in Street Fighter X Tekken, almost like Capcom was having a laugh at the fan's expense. Which wasn't the case at all, but Capcom's been having very poor timing with all these things.
Nevermind the fans' issues with Capcom's expansion system for their fighters or the dozen characters they locked ON the disc of Street Fighter X Tekken they paid for so fans could pay more later to access them. Capcom's done a lot to earn our ire as of late.
Universe was canceled after Legends 3 so far as I recall, and I guess I was the only one that was actually looking forward to it. Graphically it wasn't a stunner, but it looked similar to Powered Up!, and Universe felt like a spiritual successor to it as well, which is why I was sad to see it go. And you could play as Ryu! And Arthur!
As I said, this isn't the only reason that fans are pissed at Capcom, and those aren't the only ways that Mega Man's been slighted by them. I accepted that Mega Man wasn't in MVC 3, especially as the game still got two MM additions, but it was an odd omission regardless, and I got pretty salty when I saw BBA Mega Man in Street Fighter X Tekken, almost like Capcom was having a laugh at the fan's expense. Which wasn't the case at all, but Capcom's been having very poor timing with all these things.
Nevermind the fans' issues with Capcom's expansion system for their fighters or the dozen characters they locked ON the disc of Street Fighter X Tekken they paid for so fans could pay more later to access them. Capcom's done a lot to earn our ire as of late.
This is some hardcore Capcom hate considering nobody's obligated to keep making Mega Man games. This coming from someone who loves Mega Man to death, but it has in fact been 25 years.
We've seen Mega Man, Mega Man X, Mega Man Legends, Mega Man Zero, Mega Man Battle Networks, Mega Man ZX and a retro reboot in Mega Man 9 and 10.
I think Mega Man's had a pretty fucking good run already. I'll be perfectly happy if Capcom just releases some kind of ultimate collection and never makes a new game ever again.
We've seen Mega Man, Mega Man X, Mega Man Legends, Mega Man Zero, Mega Man Battle Networks, Mega Man ZX and a retro reboot in Mega Man 9 and 10.
I think Mega Man's had a pretty fucking good run already. I'll be perfectly happy if Capcom just releases some kind of ultimate collection and never makes a new game ever again.
@Mike Moran - I think a lot of fans would be fine with some closure like that too. The problem was the teases of new games that were ultimately cancelled, Capcom's super vague "top men" that are apparently working on how to continue with the Mega Man brand, and the first new game announced after all the drama being a shitty looking cell phone Social RPG that is only for the iOS market (so far).
You guys want closure? That's cool, but I want some new fucking games. I know, I'm pretty greedy like that. *shrugs*
Ouch. I don't know what's worse: Capcom's treatment of the Mega Man 25th anniversary this year, or Nintendo's treatment of the Metroid 25th anniversary last year. Straight disgraceful.
Also: update Mega Man X, X2 & X3 to run in HD widescreen, give it chievos, and throw it on XBLA/PSN for $20. Given that an actual copy of X3 alone for Super Nintendo is gonna run me $100+ easy, I'd happily drop a twenty on some classic gaming awesomeness.
Make it happen, Capcom. Cut this iOS bullshit. That's not how you celebrate the anniversary of one of the quintessential franchises in gaming.
Make it happen, Capcom. Cut this iOS bullshit. That's not how you celebrate the anniversary of one of the quintessential franchises in gaming.
Alright, realistic expectation then.
They'll announce Mega Man 11 and X9! ...Then, when the anniversary celebrations are over, cancel them like they did with the last how many Mega Man games in a row now? :(
They'll announce Mega Man 11 and X9! ...Then, when the anniversary celebrations are over, cancel them like they did with the last how many Mega Man games in a row now? :(
It's fine to want more if you're still hungry I guess, but in my experience Mega Man games tend to be at their finest within the first or second entry so I wouldn't want to see a sequel.
Part of why I didn't care that Mega Man Legends 3 was canceled: I felt the magic was in the original and the second Legends wasn't my jam. Unless Capcom can find the inspiration to create a new Mega Man series I'm not especially interested, and with Keiji Inafune gone I don't know if that drive would really exist anymore. Capcom could potentially strike gold, yeah. Maybe they'll make X9 and it'll be awesome or something, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Don't create a game you don't have the inspiration, drive or motivation to make. I'd rather just leave the legacy as it is. My ultimate hope would be for Capcom to make a genuine AAA action game in the same vein as Vanquish (not exactly, but I always envisioned a modern Mega Man game as incorporating slow motion and quick reflexes and robot gunfights and all that.)
Probably never gonna happen, so I'd be fine with closure and just replaying classics rather than paying more money for something uninspired.
Part of why I didn't care that Mega Man Legends 3 was canceled: I felt the magic was in the original and the second Legends wasn't my jam. Unless Capcom can find the inspiration to create a new Mega Man series I'm not especially interested, and with Keiji Inafune gone I don't know if that drive would really exist anymore. Capcom could potentially strike gold, yeah. Maybe they'll make X9 and it'll be awesome or something, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
Don't create a game you don't have the inspiration, drive or motivation to make. I'd rather just leave the legacy as it is. My ultimate hope would be for Capcom to make a genuine AAA action game in the same vein as Vanquish (not exactly, but I always envisioned a modern Mega Man game as incorporating slow motion and quick reflexes and robot gunfights and all that.)
Probably never gonna happen, so I'd be fine with closure and just replaying classics rather than paying more money for something uninspired.
I expect that they will travel back in time and delete all the good Mega Man games from existence. Because why not.
Article about Capcom, see gamers whine, blah, blah, blah. Stfu already. It's pretty apparent Megaman is pretty much on hold right now, why the fuck are people acting so surprised and disappointed right now, ridiculous...
Sonic's 15th may have been the pinacle of shit for the Blue blur, but it was an important wake up call to Sega which ultimately led to Sonic Generations, possibly the best Sonic game since Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Generations is celebrating an anniversary in the best way possible.
Damn good thing I've never cared too much about Mega man but even I feel bad at how little they care about the series over at capcom >>
Damn good thing I've never cared too much about Mega man but even I feel bad at how little they care about the series over at capcom >>
You mean like the expectations of a promised video game that we the fans would be a part of, that thousands of people participated in the development of and many thousands more desperately want to see released, but without warning was abruptly cancelled disappointing not only many fans whom would purchase a console for said game, but the development team as well whom had the game so far along that it was in a impressive playable form... you want us to keep those expectations in check? Or were you just being your typical asshole Capcom selves since much of your best talent has left your company?! Give us Legendsw 3 or go to hell Capcom, and shove Dragon's Dogma and Monster Hunter up your collective asses!
It's pretty funny how Sven only replied to the single person who took his side.
"Thanks for being reasonable." Really Capcom, I think MM fans have been pretty reasonable and patient even after you took a giant collective dump on our heads by canning MML3, MMU and the Rockman MMO. The last entries in the series are Mega Man 10 and Mega Man ZXA.
Yet, fans haven't given up on a next MM game and instead we're gonna end up with XOver and probably some compilation... Oh color me SO excited...
"Thanks for being reasonable." Really Capcom, I think MM fans have been pretty reasonable and patient even after you took a giant collective dump on our heads by canning MML3, MMU and the Rockman MMO. The last entries in the series are Mega Man 10 and Mega Man ZXA.
Yet, fans haven't given up on a next MM game and instead we're gonna end up with XOver and probably some compilation... Oh color me SO excited...
Really speaks volumes about a company who would let revenge against MM's creator (Inafune)doom it's best brand. I don't support Capcom anymore, and it's statements like this which make me not regret my decision.
My favorite series got turned into a half assed Ipod game. My expectations are in the negatives. I didn't even know if that was a thing that could actually happen.
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