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Bungie: Internet Matlocks correct, Halo 3 not running in HD, but so what? photo

It's a universal law of human snarkiness that the bigger the game launch, the more attention will be paid to any hitches, large or small. It's also a universal law of videogames that the more you hype, the more trouble you tend to get into along the way, and so through a combination of both of these truths, Halo 3 has taken a few hits recently. Whether it be justifiable backlash, defective discs, both scratched and unreadable, or leaked endings, things haven't gone without a glitch or two, and while nothing is going to stop the big green and gold behemoth at this stage in proceedings, certain things really should have gone better.

Also present in the list of Halo 3 'inconveniences' is the story from earlier this week of the discovery that the game doesn't output in a native 720p, but instead uses a vertical resolution 80 pixels smaller. Bungie has now officially responded to the claim by putting its hands up and admitting a fair cop. The explanation is that the resolution was dropped to an unusual 640p for the sake of the methods used to give Halo 3 its high dynamic range lighting effects, and you can find the full details over at Bungie's site (Scroll down to "You owe me 80p!").

What the developer resolutely refused to do however, was apologise or make excuses, and instead took a general attitude of "Does it really matter? The game looks good, okay?", as you can read below.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet’s propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven’t mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings.

Such a flagrant disregard for tact when expressing an opinion always wins a smile from me, but do you agree with Bungie's logic? Is it fine for a game to just look good, or are those absent pixels proof of a gaming benchmark missed? As ever my friends, it's over to you. 

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Scrixx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:27
Scrixx
At least the game runs at a solid 60 fps, if it didn't, I wouldn't even touch it.
Scrixx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:28
Scrixx
Ok i lied. I would touch it and all its majestic glory :D
BlueJester's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:28
BlueJester
Personally, I think there are much better games out there already. Could 80p really made it look a lot better? I doubt it.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:33
Magesx
GOD HELP US.
EternalDarkWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:51
EternalDarkWing
Read Bungie.net. They already adressed this.
JRisJunior's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:53
JRisJunior
fine with me. honestly, id rather have an amazing game that skimps on HD and kicks royal glut than have a game thats so so, but apparently the redeeming feature is that its in HD!?!? OMGNFW!!

whatever. bungie, thank you for the amazing conclusion. no HD is fine with me. *wicka wicka*
DJDuffy 's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:56
DJDuffy
like I said in MooCow's post on this:

You know, it really doesn't matter. I work on TV shows and we work at 1536x864 and we upscale our finished footage at the editing stage back up to 1920x1090. There is no noticeable difference in image quality from the upscaling. If you have a decent upscaling codec, it looks just as good as the real thing.
ttaylor's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/29/2007 23:59
ttaylor
It's funny, if this was a PS3 game Sony would be getting rocked by everyone and not cast aside as a "who cares?" like it will be.. And no I'm not a Sony fanboy, I only own a 360, just pointing it out..
Lethal Dosage's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:13
Lethal Dosage
Yeah. People would be lynched for this if it wasn't Bungie, and wasn't Halo.

I don't mind the "non-HD", but the split-screen pisses me off. Two player split-screen looks like shit. And, they cut off the left and right sides on HDTVs. Tight. I love playing in 4:3 on my fucking 16:9 HDTV.

Also, I've experienced quite a few drops from 60 FPS, but hey, they can't all be perfect. Even Crackdown was choppy at points, and that game had a phenomenal frame rate...especially considering the draw distance.
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:14
dprime
Oh noez! Someone tell Sony Defense Force!

Honestly, I barely know what the fuck those are. And I bet 95% of the people playing Halo 3 don't, as well as half of those complaining about it.
Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:26
Oni
Thank God we finally got another Halo 3 post. I was seriously starting to worry about Halo3Toid there for a minute.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:28
Orionsaint
HD? I just want the graphics to look right. HALO3 is running like SHIT for me. Apparently I'm the only person on the planet with this problem. I've contacted Bungie's bug report about it. Hopefully I'll get an answer.

Problem I'm referring about.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:30
Orionsaint
HD? I just want the graphics to look right. HALO3 is running like SHIT for me. Apparently I'm the only person on the planet with this problem. I've contacted Bungie's bug report about it. Hopefully I'll get an answer.

Problem I'm referring about.
Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:32
Oni
Screw contacting Bungie. You should probably be contacting MS regarding your upcoming RRoD.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:45
Orionsaint
ok i will Oni. thanks. hopefully there's a free HDTV in it for me
FunkyTownLover's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:47
FunkyTownLover
Halo 3 aint running at 60 FPS......
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:47
Orionsaint
wait what's RRoD?
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:49
Orionsaint
Halo3 was designed by caveman. what a glitchy piece a crap. you'd think, i dunno. the biggest game release in the history of mankind. they'd poor all their sweat and blood into it to make it the most perfect amazing stable running game in the history of gaming.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:49
Orionsaint
i meant pour not poor
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 00:52
Bob Muir
Shades of the Bioshock widescreen issue...
PetiePal's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:05
PetiePal
You know just like I don't need to see porn in 1080p, I don't need to see Halo 3 in it either.

Graphically it looks great and until this was announced I wouldn't have known the difference ever. Do you really want to see the wrinkles on Master Chief's face?
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:19
Sharpless
It still looks good and, frankly, I'll never own an HDTV, so it's not like I would fully benefit from either the 360 or the PS3's capabilities all that much. I've never been much of a graphics whore anyway. Give me solid gameplay - which Halo 3 does - and I'm a happy pig.

And yes, Bungie gets hugs and free gifts, because they're not dicks. They're one of the nicest, coolest developers out there. Respek.
brosef's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:19
brosef
Wait. So Halo 3 leaves blanks on the sides of the screens if you have an HDTV in 16:9?

btw, Lair would totally have been a good game if only it had been in 1080p, if only. Damn those pixels...damn them all.
ToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:24
ToiletDuck
yes brosef, during split screen play it scales to 4:3. pretty f'ing gay.

single player is fine though.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:30
Orionsaint
I guess I am the only one with the graphics problems in Halo3. either that or you guys are ignoring them.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:31
Orionsaint
i meant pour not poor
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:31
dprime
I nearly threw up playing the level inside gravemind on my friend's shitty 30" TV from the late 90s. If I saw it in HD I may have to go to the hospital. This may have been for our benefit.

And we will all probably have an HD TV eventually, remember.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:31
Orionsaint
Halo3 was designed by caveman. what a glitchy piece a crap. you'd think, i dunno. the biggest game release in the history of mankind. they'd poor all their sweat and blood into it to make it the most perfect amazing stable running game in the history of gaming.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:31
Orionsaint
wait what's RRoD?
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:44
Sharpless
@Orionsaint
Red Rings of Death.

I know that people are having problems with some of their disks but, honestly, I know a dozens of people who have the game, and none of them have had any problems with their copies. Microsoft should be held accountable, sure, but I'm just saying that it's not like the majority of disks are fucking up. It's disgusting, but let's not freak the fuck out.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:52
ajaxender
I played it for about 3 days straight (no glitches, crashes, etc, nothing) on a crappy, very very low res screen, and i can still say it looks fantastic. Besides, its not like 720p or whatever is really HD either. 1600x1200, now thats HD :P.
profingersk8er's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 01:59
profingersk8er
IMO, the reason people brought this up is NOT because of the way Halo 3 looks (and I'm sure a lot of people are very happy with its graphics), but it's because Microsoft had been advertising the game as "true HD", as well as the "720p" and "1080p" label printed on the back of the Halo 3 box.

Now the issue is, is it fair for Microsoft to print the up-converted resolution on the box instead of its native resolution? would you want to buy a HD TV if its box says "1080p resolution" if, in fact, it inputs 1080p source and outputs at lower resolution?
GexX2's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 02:07
GexX2
Err.. looks fantastic? It looks a tad less pretty than Lost Planet, and thats it. The HDR is WAY overdone, and used half as well as Metroid Prime 3 uses bloom. I honestly think its strange that the graphics don't look alot better considering the length of the campaign. Game wise, its good, not the best, but pretty solid. Graphic wise? Kinda underdone IMO.
awa64's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 02:34
awa64
Hrm.

As long as there isn't something about the graphics that stands out as unforgivably BAD, I tend to not care. Text is unreadable? Wrong aspect ratio (fuck you, Halo 2 emulator, a 1280x1024 monitor is not a widescreen display)? Unbearable framerate problems? Crappy art direction? That's what I'll knock it on. Cheating a bit on the resolution? That I'll forgive, especially considering the 360 has an upscaler that will output a proper-resolution feed.

Bungie made their case on the matter well enough. Were I in their position, I'd probably make the same tradeoff. On the other hand, the fact that the Brutes' armors just suddenly disappear annoys the holy hell out of me... what was the problem there, Bungie?
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 04:14
Orionsaint
so it's my TV? i should test the game on an HDTV?
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 04:52
ShadowXOR
Honestly I hate Halo and I don't think this matters at all.
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 04:53
ShadowXOR
And yes, I do have an HDTV.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 05:10
Orionsaint
it is rather primitive by todays standards halo, no duck and cover, you can't shoot around corners while leaning against the wall. it's just bouncing robot like controls. weee! weee!
3dd13's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 06:28
3dd13
Visually stunning, yeah.

Have they been promoting that this runs in native 720p? Hoping we wouldnt notice? If so, this is not fraud but whats the word I'm looking for...its just misleading. If SCEA did this to a game there would be a few more dozen comments on here further bashing that PSTriple. (BTW, did Dtoid give theres out yet...betrayal).

Bungie is lucky for who they are. Mass gamers out there aren't going to give a fuck and still play this game to death. No matter how many bugs, mistakes, errors, screwups, RRoD, castrations, cancer, rectal bleeding, etc etc.
Burnt Meatloaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 06:46
Burnt Meatloaf
Sigh. Isn't a good 3D engine supposed to scale? It's not like PC games have been supporting multiple resolutions for decades, right?

What I've noticed from screenshots is that AA doesn't seem to work. I'd much rather have AA than high dynamic range.

But, as Scrixx pointed out, 60FPS is the most important thing of all. Regardless of detail, all games should run at 60FPS these days. No excuses -- even on the Wii.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 07:10
Rosseh
It plays great but the visuals sometimes leave me wondering. It's annoying when you're trying to take a cool impact photo but the effects are so bright it obscures any detail. The orange rings after death do that too and you can't get a cool angle. If you pause at times as well the visual effects don't look that fantastic. I replayed the last level video and the pillars of lava/explosions and they pretty flat. But some of the explosions look awesome. Banshee explosions look cool when you pause them and see a brute hurtling out along with the energy blast.
Cynical Gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 08:12
Cynical Gamer
Bungie are such bad programmers. When HL2 Orange Box comes out, it will be running at 60fps.
Cynical Gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 08:14
Cynical Gamer
at 1080p..
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 08:59
Sharpless
Actually, I believe Halo 3 is 60fps. I could be mistaken, though.

Seriously, though, all this 1080p, HD nonsense is ridiculous. I didn't care when Sony bragged about it, and I don't care now. When did gamers become techno-snobs? I know Bungie's not perfect, and they've certainly never claimed that they were the best game studio in the business, but let's give them credit where credit's due.
Johnny Blaze's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 09:19
Johnny Blaze
I think this is just proving the point more, that graphics are now starting to hit the ceiling and is almost becoming useless... If no one really cauught on to the resolution of the Halo, who is to say that other companies wont start doing the same thing to save money in the long run.

But i could be wrong
Chris Taran's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 09:31
Chris Taran
If they advertised the game as 720p and didn't deliver, they should be sued.

Then again I'd like to see Bungie sued for crimes against humanity for ever releasing Halo in the first place.
iliketuna's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 09:38
iliketuna
if microsoft advertised it as a 720p/1080p game, then yes people should care. that would be a straight up _lie_ and if it doesnt get any attention, could open the doors for future fibs from microsoft and other companies.

that said, a consistently smooth frame rate has a bigger impact on graphics than a slightly sharper picture.

ps3 boys please stop bringing up killzone. killzone 1 sucked. in fact, those developers have never produced a hit game! so what makes you think this next game will be any good? because it has pretty trailers? c'mon...
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 10:33
B-Radicate
Hey, tuna... no one mentioned Killzone. Sweet reading the posts. Ass.

As for me, I'll wait for the Orange Box. I am a straight up slut for class-based multiplayer. I'd much rather have a role to play then have everyone just running around and not playing as a team. All I hafta do is wait another week or so and move beyond this crazy Halo hype.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2007 10:38
Volomon
I think its just proof that the Xbox is getting old. Obviously they had to cut 80P just to get their effects.
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