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I'd really have to fiddle with my pc to get bulletstorm to work...like fiddle in a new motherboard,processor,graphics card,ram,etc..
Well this is a bummer. When I first saw that it was going to require GFWL, despite my natural decision to buy it through Steam, I pretty much decided to give up on it until it was cheaper. To see that it's so consolized, that you can't even use the mouse in the menus... Yeah, I hate games like that. And that I must use a .ini file to even mess with my advanced graphics settings? Yup, I absolutely hate it when developers make any sort of deal about it being a PC game, then prove themselves to have viewed it as an afterthought. Don't even bother releasing it on my platform if this is how yer gonna treat it...
Bit unreasonable of a rant, I know, but I am supremely disappointed.
Bit unreasonable of a rant, I know, but I am supremely disappointed.
"The game's framerate is also locked to a maximum of 62fps"
Yeah, that seems complaint-worthy.
Jesus.
Yeah, that seems complaint-worthy.
Jesus.
This is why I was skeptical and one reason I decided not to buy it. Honestly I feel like with this project all the shit giving for the PC has been something that Cliffy was doing on his own decision. People Can Fly are the developers of Painkiller which ran fine and was a well done game on the PC. I'm guessing if Cliffy called the shots on this, he probably told the developers just to do a straight console port to the PC and not give it any of the usual PC features (see: mouse control for the menus).
This is also one reason why (and I hate to bring it back up) that people pirate on the PC. Because of shit ports like this. What with how little settings this apparently has and the inclusion of the needless Games for Windows Live, I feel even if I were to buy it, I would just pirate it and give People Can Fly a donation of 60 bucks to cut out that middle man. Namely Ciffy. Because he doesn't deserve shit for a port like this.
This is also one reason why (and I hate to bring it back up) that people pirate on the PC. Because of shit ports like this. What with how little settings this apparently has and the inclusion of the needless Games for Windows Live, I feel even if I were to buy it, I would just pirate it and give People Can Fly a donation of 60 bucks to cut out that middle man. Namely Ciffy. Because he doesn't deserve shit for a port like this.
The lack of menu mouse support and paltry configuration options definitely suck, though.
I've been watching Kuchera and Adrian Chmielarz talk about this on Twitter, and it looks like People Can Fly are taking his comments into consideration. I wouldn't be surprised if they patched some of this stuff soon.
I've been watching Kuchera and Adrian Chmielarz talk about this on Twitter, and it looks like People Can Fly are taking his comments into consideration. I wouldn't be surprised if they patched some of this stuff soon.
Having just beat it on the PC, I can say that my only complaints (it's a GORGEOUS game, even without anti-aliasing, which my computer couldn't turn on) revolved around my inability to jump, the planet's texture when seen from space at the end being Mars, and the lack of mouse support in the menu. The mouse thing is a little annoying, but considering how goddamn FUN the game is with the K&M, I don't really give a shit.
Guys, buy the PC version. It's still worth getting. In fact, it's actually better on the PC than on the consoles. The game feels nigh-perfect on the PC, while slower paced and occasionally boring on the consoles.
Guys, buy the PC version. It's still worth getting. In fact, it's actually better on the PC than on the consoles. The game feels nigh-perfect on the PC, while slower paced and occasionally boring on the consoles.
@mrandydixon
There is a flash example somewhere that pretty much proves that you can see the difference between 30, 60 and 100 FPS, I just can't find it. It is worth complaining about since there is no reason to cap it on PC.
There is a flash example somewhere that pretty much proves that you can see the difference between 30, 60 and 100 FPS, I just can't find it. It is worth complaining about since there is no reason to cap it on PC.
Surprised this got a headline fast. Was worried we would have been forgotten for a few days before everyone started to notice our unanswered questions and complains from Epic and PCF.
@mrandydixon
"Yeah, that seems complaint-worthy.
Jesus."
Fuck you.
If someone has a high end rig and wants 100 FPS they have the right to it. Just because you're satisfied with less doesn't mean everyone should be.
Also, this is sad coming from the developers of painkiller.
I sadly will never ever be picking this up as I cannot use games for windows live.
Oh well.
"Yeah, that seems complaint-worthy.
Jesus."
Fuck you.
If someone has a high end rig and wants 100 FPS they have the right to it. Just because you're satisfied with less doesn't mean everyone should be.
Also, this is sad coming from the developers of painkiller.
I sadly will never ever be picking this up as I cannot use games for windows live.
Oh well.
I actually don't mind Games for Windows Live at all, but I hate it when it's coupled WITH Steam. That's too much.
It also doesn't help that they encrypted the inner files despite being the easiest way to fix these graphical problems.
Can someone explain to me (preferably a pc enthusiast) why this is a bad thing?
Isn't the benefit of playing on a pc the ability to tinker around with this and that to maximise the games performance?
After all, if pissing around with the games inner workings is a problem then there's always the consoles, isn't there?
I would like to add that I'm not trolling and genuinely interested in finding out if this is a problem when it's usually considered a plus point with pc gamers.
Isn't the benefit of playing on a pc the ability to tinker around with this and that to maximise the games performance?
After all, if pissing around with the games inner workings is a problem then there's always the consoles, isn't there?
I would like to add that I'm not trolling and genuinely interested in finding out if this is a problem when it's usually considered a plus point with pc gamers.
I find it ironic how people complain about ports like Risen to the 360 while they also call people complaining about PC ports like this shitfest whiners.
It also doesn't help that they encrypted the inner files despite being the easiest way to fix these graphical problems.
@Bakewell
Do you really expect me to sit around and TINKER WITH FILES to do something as simple as changing graphical settings?
Do you really think the entirety of PC gaming is filled with computer nerds who all build their own rigs and know how to mess around with files, install mods, etc?
For me, this wouldn't be a giant problem. But when looking at the average PC user who knows only how to change the graphics and resolution before proceeding to play the game, this is a GIANT FUCK YOU from PCF and Epic and a major downside.
Do you really expect me to sit around and TINKER WITH FILES to do something as simple as changing graphical settings?
Do you really think the entirety of PC gaming is filled with computer nerds who all build their own rigs and know how to mess around with files, install mods, etc?
For me, this wouldn't be a giant problem. But when looking at the average PC user who knows only how to change the graphics and resolution before proceeding to play the game, this is a GIANT FUCK YOU from PCF and Epic and a major downside.
Haters gonna hate. Your eyes can't tell much difference between 60fps and 100fps, sorry to ruin the hate-fest. Bulletstorm is amazing.
@astalano
"Do you really think the entirety of PC gaming is filled with computer nerds who all build their own rigs and know how to mess around with files, install mods, etc? "
No I don't think that but I do think that if the majority of pc gamers are people who just want to slide a bar to improve graphics then they perhaps aren't getting the full pc-game experience or are expecting that superiority with little to no effort involved.
"Do you really think the entirety of PC gaming is filled with computer nerds who all build their own rigs and know how to mess around with files, install mods, etc? "
No I don't think that but I do think that if the majority of pc gamers are people who just want to slide a bar to improve graphics then they perhaps aren't getting the full pc-game experience or are expecting that superiority with little to no effort involved.
@marxistforlife
"There is a flash example somewhere that pretty much proves that you can see the difference between 30, 60 and 100 FPS, I just can't find it. It is worth complaining about since there is no reason to cap it on PC."
I'm not saying it isn't noticeable, just that 60+ is pretty goddamn awesome.
Then again, I haven't played a game on my PC since TF2 was first released, and I could barely get 30 FPS out of it, so maybe I'm just jealous.
"There is a flash example somewhere that pretty much proves that you can see the difference between 30, 60 and 100 FPS, I just can't find it. It is worth complaining about since there is no reason to cap it on PC."
I'm not saying it isn't noticeable, just that 60+ is pretty goddamn awesome.
Then again, I haven't played a game on my PC since TF2 was first released, and I could barely get 30 FPS out of it, so maybe I'm just jealous.
@Bakewell
Why make it intentionally difficult to play the game with settings suited to your computer?
Just because PC gaming has a slightly steeper learning curve than consoles doesn't justify PC gamers being shit on for no other reason than to make their lives more difficult.
If it can be easy to change settings then it should be easy.
Imagine if you sat playing your 360/PS3 and realized that you couldn't play your game at full graphical capacity until you did something to your disc.
Should you be expected to know how to do that?
Why make it intentionally difficult to play the game with settings suited to your computer?
Just because PC gaming has a slightly steeper learning curve than consoles doesn't justify PC gamers being shit on for no other reason than to make their lives more difficult.
If it can be easy to change settings then it should be easy.
Imagine if you sat playing your 360/PS3 and realized that you couldn't play your game at full graphical capacity until you did something to your disc.
Should you be expected to know how to do that?
I'd rather deal with this on my PC than try to play a FPS with a fucking controller. I had no problems with Bulletstorm PC...the only hassle is the horrible Games For Windows bullshit.
@Bakewell
The issue is, it should be made more userfriendly so we don't HAVE to do a bunch of tinkering around to get it how we want it. It often times results in a lot of trial and error to get our configs set just right, and that is annoying as hell.
The fact that they are making it so difficult to do what should be standard on any PC title, is basically just showing us that us PC gamers were less than an afterthought, and having to leap through hurdles (meaning, unencrypt a bunch of crap via whatever tools) just to get the desired results is just a slap in the face.
All in all, it's just another shaft to us PC gamers, and it gets old.
The issue is, it should be made more userfriendly so we don't HAVE to do a bunch of tinkering around to get it how we want it. It often times results in a lot of trial and error to get our configs set just right, and that is annoying as hell.
The fact that they are making it so difficult to do what should be standard on any PC title, is basically just showing us that us PC gamers were less than an afterthought, and having to leap through hurdles (meaning, unencrypt a bunch of crap via whatever tools) just to get the desired results is just a slap in the face.
All in all, it's just another shaft to us PC gamers, and it gets old.
the FPS thing i think stems from quake 3, needing 125fps to get the most out of the physics, i used to be a "i must have 120 fps all the time guys" then went console for a bit now i just slap vsync on all the time ha.
Sad, we're losing lan features, console commands, and now the mouse in menus. Soon we'll only be able to use WSAD (probably losing it to UpDnLftRgt afterwards) and we'll end up with a 50$ game that offers only an intro and an outro with nothing in between.
Exaggerations aside, I really miss the console nowadays. Adjusting mouse sensitivity gets more difficult everyday. I wish tinkering and ingenuity were a driving feature for games.
Wait a minute, I do would willingly pay more for games that offer those features back. Give me a 2$ DLC that unlocks the console dammit if that's what it takes!
Exaggerations aside, I really miss the console nowadays. Adjusting mouse sensitivity gets more difficult everyday. I wish tinkering and ingenuity were a driving feature for games.
Wait a minute, I do would willingly pay more for games that offer those features back. Give me a 2$ DLC that unlocks the console dammit if that's what it takes!
I will still go into the INI file to make these changes. I do it often for old PC games that don't support 16x10 or 16x9, only "Full Screen 4x3.
I'm a hardcore PC Gamer/User, but I'm still insulted at the lack of in-game options and no mouse support in the menus.
Insulted.
I'm a hardcore PC Gamer/User, but I'm still insulted at the lack of in-game options and no mouse support in the menus.
Insulted.
What the fuck is this guy talking about? I bought it last night and it's just great. And I use a mouse with my computer, having nary a problem with the menus, though I suppose he means the Drops and the Killshot menu, which you navigate with WASD, which isn't a problem at all. And it runs on Unreal Engine 3 - more people can play this than they realize. I mean, I just got a GTX 460 video card and cranked everything up to the max, everything still playing smooth. I had a GT 220 which played it, too. If you don't have that, you're not really a PC gamer, honestly.
@Bakewell
The issue is the difference between tinkering and using an outside decryption/re-encryption program with the settings. That is to say it is not simply popping open the INI files and notepad. They have quite literally made an extra hurdle for tinkering for absolutely no necessity at all since INI files are client-side settings in a non-competitive game.
If you want an analogy, mind you all analogies are flawed, I would say it is the difference between seeing a back panel that says "unscrew to remove" (tinkering) and getting a steak knife from the drawer to pop open a glued panel that you have to break in the process and then glue back together when done (what this is).
The issue is the difference between tinkering and using an outside decryption/re-encryption program with the settings. That is to say it is not simply popping open the INI files and notepad. They have quite literally made an extra hurdle for tinkering for absolutely no necessity at all since INI files are client-side settings in a non-competitive game.
If you want an analogy, mind you all analogies are flawed, I would say it is the difference between seeing a back panel that says "unscrew to remove" (tinkering) and getting a steak knife from the drawer to pop open a glued panel that you have to break in the process and then glue back together when done (what this is).
@Killrig Insulted by a lack of mouse support in a menu? Seriously? This even matters?
Seriously guys just enjoy the game instead of moaning about fuck all. If you think not being able to tinker with the settings of a game makes it not worth playing, regardless of it being awesome, then you should probably get some help.
Seriously guys just enjoy the game instead of moaning about fuck all. If you think not being able to tinker with the settings of a game makes it not worth playing, regardless of it being awesome, then you should probably get some help.
Lets all shit on Bulletstorm because the PC version isn't the super-awesome-amazing edition!!!!
Damn people, if I wanted to hear bitching about what amounts to nothing, I would call up my ex girlfriend.
Damn people, if I wanted to hear bitching about what amounts to nothing, I would call up my ex girlfriend.
@nanowerx
WE HAVE A WINNER!
Sir, I am happy to present you with your douchebag award. Wear it with pride.
I would like to see you play Gothic 4 or Risen on consoles and tell me that they're just fine and dandy versions. :)
WE HAVE A WINNER!
Sir, I am happy to present you with your douchebag award. Wear it with pride.
I would like to see you play Gothic 4 or Risen on consoles and tell me that they're just fine and dandy versions. :)
You shouldn't have to modify the game's code to run it maxed. Fact. Cliffy can suck a dick. This, along with the "fuck you" in so many words about the demo makes me hope this game is being pirated up the ass right now.
nanowerx
Yet here you are, in a PC only related news, answering to comments which aren't directed at you, and you are bitching.
Yes, we shit on Bulletstorm, but the PC version, not the console version. So please, keep your snub remarks to yourself, and go have sex with your girlfriend so you can hear more bitching about 'amounts of nothing'.
Yes, i just did that.
Yet here you are, in a PC only related news, answering to comments which aren't directed at you, and you are bitching.
Yes, we shit on Bulletstorm, but the PC version, not the console version. So please, keep your snub remarks to yourself, and go have sex with your girlfriend so you can hear more bitching about 'amounts of nothing'.
Yes, i just did that.
@nanowerx
The whole reason people build gaming PCs is because you can customize them exactly to your liking, and you can customize your games exactly to your liking. It's a strange mindset but if you can get into it, it's quite liberating.
If you remove the somewhat 'fluff-like' extra features (extra features that are not hard to program) then you've basically got no reason to buy the game on the PC (aside from the cheaper pricetag - and heck, if Activision had their way then that would be gone as well).
In conclusion, this is what you get for buying Bulletstorm.
The whole reason people build gaming PCs is because you can customize them exactly to your liking, and you can customize your games exactly to your liking. It's a strange mindset but if you can get into it, it's quite liberating.
If you remove the somewhat 'fluff-like' extra features (extra features that are not hard to program) then you've basically got no reason to buy the game on the PC (aside from the cheaper pricetag - and heck, if Activision had their way then that would be gone as well).
In conclusion, this is what you get for buying Bulletstorm.
Cīmon Cliffy.Say grumpy.
I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker.
Just say grumpy one goddamn more time.
I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker.
Just say grumpy one goddamn more time.
@Bakewell and @tuoman I echo that... why so much anger Astalano? Too much overreacting on here just because Big Jim threw you guys a great big trollbone.
@mrandydixon
it says 62 FPS MAXIMUM. which means if any commotion is going on onscreen, it'll nosedive to around 30FPS average. The reason PC gamers want a framerate of 100+ is so it can "slow down" to 60 FPS and therefore will still be as smooth as possible to the human eye.
it says 62 FPS MAXIMUM. which means if any commotion is going on onscreen, it'll nosedive to around 30FPS average. The reason PC gamers want a framerate of 100+ is so it can "slow down" to 60 FPS and therefore will still be as smooth as possible to the human eye.
Well, it's a deal-breaker then. I'm not gonna reward them with my money for a piss-poor excuse of a port that forces Games for Windows on a Steam game. I mean, how much lower can they go?
And yeah, they'll probably PC piracy again as for why people want to get a decent version of the game for free instead of buying a crippled mess.
And yeah, they'll probably PC piracy again as for why people want to get a decent version of the game for free instead of buying a crippled mess.
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